Well, I supposed it had to happen. As regulations tighten on surrogacy clinics around the world, Indian surrogacy clinics are shifting to Cambodia to meet growing demand. I guess this is just a new way to peddle cheap Cambodian bodies.
Facing losses in what was a lucrative trade - India's surrogacy industry is estimated to be worth around $500m per year - Indian clinics have started moving out to Cambodia, a country with ambiguous surrogacy laws and a visa-on-arrival facility for Indian nationals. More than a dozen Thai and Indian clinics are already operating there.
"I am aware of a few Indian and Nepali clinics that have set up in Cambodia," says Sam Everingham, director of events and content for the Australia-based Families through Surrogacy. "The surrogates come from Vietnam, Laos and Thailand. Some may also come from India - that's not clear yet."
Non-Indian surrogates often charge anything from $15,000 upwards, and in the US, for example, where commercial surrogacy is allowed only in certain states, it can cost upwards of $150,000. In India, however, the costs are often well under $30,000.
"Prospective parents won't want to pay that amount, especially for a country where surrogacy laws are ambiguous," says Nepal-based Preeti Bista, cofounder of My Fertility Angel Cambodia.
These clinics will undoubtedly begin hiring Indian surrogates in Cambodia, Bista believes, simply because "they are cheaper".
More here: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/featur ... 17994.html
Cambodia's latest growth industry - offshore surrogacy
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And who are the Jane's buying these Cambodian women, using the poverty of Cambodian women to take advantage of their bodies on the cheap, and driving this literal flesh trade? I would imagine it is mostly richish white western women, many of whom put off having their own kids until it was too late because they were too busy living it up and 'having it all' back in the west. Do we need a new NGO to rescue Cambodian women from western baby tourists who buy and use them like this? At least sex tourists only use local prostitutes for a short time and then it's over. These baby tourists use Cambodian women's bodies for 9 months or more, locking them into an inescapable situation, and changing their bodies forever. Talk about 'slavery.' Where are Susan Sarandon and Alyssa McCord when Cambodian women really need them?
LTO, if it's allowed in some US states (I don't think it's allowed in Europe but I'm no expert) why are you so up in arms if it happens here ? If a family can buy a house and get out of poverty doing that, good for them. Who are you to tell them it's "beneath their dignity' or to take the moral high ground based on values that are yours and not theirs ? What makes you claim your values are automatically superior ?
We live in an imperfect world and supply and demand rule what hasn't been excluded by law. Nobody forces the surrogates to enter that field, just like nobody forces women to leave their jobs in a garment factory to work in a bar.
We live in an imperfect world and supply and demand rule what hasn't been excluded by law. Nobody forces the surrogates to enter that field, just like nobody forces women to leave their jobs in a garment factory to work in a bar.
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I am not so much up in arms as just making an argument (to point out a hypocrisy), much the same argument that is used to justify 'rescuing' prostitutes, diminish their freedom of choice in deciding to work as prostitutes, characterize them as 'slaves,' characterize them as exploited and being "bought" by western men, and demonizing western men, i.e. sex tourists and sexpats, who would use prostitutes in the Cambodia. If Cambodian prostitutes really are slaves being bought by sex tourists and in need of rescue as so many weepy western white women and other do-gooders tell us, then this is even more true of surrogates and baby tourists. I think it is an unsavory trade, but I respect a Cambodian woman's right to do with her body as she chooses. I do not respect the western women (and others) who would look down on sex tourists and rescue prostitutes from themselves, but see the flesh trade of surrogacy as somehow acceptable.logos wrote:LTO, if it's allowed in some US states (I don't think it's allowed in Europe but I'm no expert) why are you so up in arms if it happens here ? If a family can buy a house and get out of poverty doing that, good for them. Who are you to tell them it's "beneath their dignity' or to take the moral high ground based on values that are yours and not theirs ? What makes you claim your values are automatically superior ?
We live in an imperfect world and supply and demand rule what hasn't been excluded by law. Nobody forces the surrogates to enter that field, just like nobody forces women to leave their jobs in a garment factory to work in a bar.
Sorry to be obscure and sort of off topic.
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I have looked into this a few months ago.
It is legal in the UK and is available through the NHS, one key difference is that money cannot change hands. This is called altruistic surrogacy and is legal in many other countries in various forms. As someone else comments commercial surrogacy is legal in parts of USA.
In Cambodia the surrogate mother gets a $300 per month during the pregnancy and then a cash payment of I think $3000 for the birth. There are other payments due which I can't recall.
The issue (for me) was the companies claimed that it was legal. Their basis for that was that there was nothing in law to say it was illegal. There have been murmurings that the gov are going to look into this and regulate it but no idea when it would happen. It's a bit risky to start a surrogacy program with a law potentially in the pipeline which could make it illegal prior to completion.
The surrogacy company asks you to be economical with the truth when it comes to applying for foreign citizenship for the child. Also there are trafficking laws which they are trying to stay on the right side of - the $300 a month needs to be paid directly from the Intended Parents to the surrogate mother. The company cannot handle this money as it could be interpreted negatively legally.
On top of the ethical concerns about 'renting a womb' there are many other ethical or moral considerations in this process. It really is a mine field.
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It is legal in the UK and is available through the NHS, one key difference is that money cannot change hands. This is called altruistic surrogacy and is legal in many other countries in various forms. As someone else comments commercial surrogacy is legal in parts of USA.
In Cambodia the surrogate mother gets a $300 per month during the pregnancy and then a cash payment of I think $3000 for the birth. There are other payments due which I can't recall.
The issue (for me) was the companies claimed that it was legal. Their basis for that was that there was nothing in law to say it was illegal. There have been murmurings that the gov are going to look into this and regulate it but no idea when it would happen. It's a bit risky to start a surrogacy program with a law potentially in the pipeline which could make it illegal prior to completion.
The surrogacy company asks you to be economical with the truth when it comes to applying for foreign citizenship for the child. Also there are trafficking laws which they are trying to stay on the right side of - the $300 a month needs to be paid directly from the Intended Parents to the surrogate mother. The company cannot handle this money as it could be interpreted negatively legally.
On top of the ethical concerns about 'renting a womb' there are many other ethical or moral considerations in this process. It really is a mine field.
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It looks like the "latest growth industry" has ground to a halt, at least officially...
http://www.khmertimeskh.com/news/31673/ ... -industry/
http://www.khmertimeskh.com/news/31673/ ... -industry/
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Jesus fucking Allah. $150,000 per surrogate baby in the US? Time to go back to Flint and rustle me up a few crack whores and put them to work. Craigslist that shit up. Fuck the markets, my bitches will queef one out $75,000.
Anyone who doesn't like Capitalism is a pathetic loser. God bless the USA and no place else.
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