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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:25 am
by fopro
I imaging poor Mary Olsen is less than pleased with what this news does to her brand new documentary. I wonder if this is something that can be fixed with some quick re-editing or if she's just screwed.

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:26 am
by violet
gavinmac wrote:
violet wrote:not natural, not adopted, and not a roommate. grow up boys! I can't think of the correct term... not fostering but....? Anyway.... shrug... those who know, know.


I am grown up. I live in world where 38 year old guys don't call 20 something year old dudes their "son" unless they are the natural father, the adopted father, or married to the younger guy's mom.

Am I too old fashioned? Is everyone else living in Never Never land?

Wait a minute, if I meet a hot 22 year old Cambodian chick and agree to pay some of her expenses and look after her, can I then parade her around as my "daughter?" That seems kind of creepy, even for me. But if it's socially acceptable now to hippie liberal types, maybe I could do it.


Well, this is Cambodia. A country where there are many people in need of help. This young Cambodian (who was a teenager at the time), was helped by Ken Wilcox. If you and others want to find sordidness where there is none, go ahead. Surely there's plenty of other stuff that's actually more based on fact that you can get your kick off? Enough said... I'm not defending the man... just pointing out where I'm sure errors have been made.

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:31 am
by Bubble T
Violet: I have seen the conversation you've been having with him on facebook this morning (including him and Trude discussing getting the situation "taken care of the Khmer way", which I have already informed the local police of).

I am surprised and disappointed that you would have an entire conversation blaming other people for his problems, while not once acknowledging that this whole thing comes from the FBI seeking his arrest. This isn't something that came up simply from people wanting to discredit him - he is a criminal wanted by the FBI.

If I was out to bag him, I would have posted photos of his boyfriend Wes Lee shortly after Ken allegedly tased him 6 times in the neck (for wanting to break off their relationship), or the letter from Wes describing the attack. Or I would have posted the reasons why he was fired from his teaching gig. As it is, I stuck to exposing legal facts - he is a fugitive whether you like it or not.

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:32 am
by andyinasia
What is "aggravated feeling and eluding"? Running away and hiding in an aggressive manner? Positively Pythonesque, that.

EDIT: Oops, of course I meant 'fleeing' - sorry for the Freudian' :shock:

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:35 am
by violet
oh and I have no opinion either way as to him being a fugitive or not. Absolutely none.

Also... which teaching gig. As I know he was, until the other day, still teaching at NWI.

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:35 am
by fopro
andyinasia wrote:What is "aggravated feeling and eluding"? Running away and hiding in an aggressive manner? Positively Pythonesque, that.


316.1935 Fleeing or attempting to elude a law enforcement officer; aggravated fleeing or eluding.--

(1) It is unlawful for the operator of any vehicle, having knowledge that he or she has been ordered to stop such vehicle by a duly authorized law enforcement officer, willfully to refuse or fail to stop the vehicle in compliance with such order or, having stopped in knowing compliance with such order, willfully to flee in an attempt to elude the officer, and a person who violates this subsection commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(2) Any person who willfully flees or attempts to elude a law enforcement officer in an authorized law enforcement patrol vehicle, with agency insignia and other jurisdictional markings prominently displayed on the vehicle, with siren and lights activated commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3) Any person who willfully flees or attempts to elude a law enforcement officer in an authorized law enforcement patrol vehicle, with agency insignia and other jurisdictional markings prominently displayed on the vehicle, with siren and lights activated, and during the course of the fleeing or attempted eluding:

(a) Drives at high speed, or in any manner which demonstrates a wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property, commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(b) Drives at high speed, or in any manner which demonstrates a wanton disregard for the safety of persons or property, and causes serious bodily injury or death to another person, including any law enforcement officer involved in pursuing or otherwise attempting to effect a stop of the person's vehicle, commits a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the court shall sentence any person convicted of committing the offense described in this paragraph to a mandatory minimum sentence of 3 years imprisonment. Nothing in this paragraph shall prevent a court from imposing a greater sentence of incarceration as authorized by law.

(4) Any person who, in the course of unlawfully leaving or attempting to leave the scene of a crash in violation of s. 316.027 or s. 316.061, having knowledge of an order to stop by a duly authorized law enforcement officer, willfully refuses or fails to stop in compliance with such an order, or having stopped in knowing compliance with such order, willfully flees in an attempt to elude such officer and, as a result of such fleeing or eluding:

(a) Causes injury to another person or causes damage to any property belonging to another person, commits aggravated fleeing or eluding, a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(b) Causes serious bodily injury or death to another person, including any law enforcement officer involved in pursuing or otherwise attempting to effect a stop of the person's vehicle, commits aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death, a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

The felony of aggravated fleeing or eluding and the felony of aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death constitute separate offenses for which a person may be charged, in addition to the offenses under ss. 316.027 and 316.061, relating to unlawfully leaving the scene of a crash, which the person had been in the course of committing or attempting to commit when the order to stop was given. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the court shall sentence any person convicted of committing aggravated fleeing or eluding with serious bodily injury or death to a mandatory minimum sentence of 3 years imprisonment. Nothing in this subsection shall prevent a court from imposing a greater sentence of incarceration as authorized by law.

(5) The court shall revoke, for a period not less than 1 year nor exceeding 5 years, the driver's license of any operator of a motor vehicle convicted of a violation of subsection (1), subsection (2), subsection (3), or subsection (4).

(6) Notwithstanding s. 948.01, no court may suspend, defer, or withhold adjudication of guilt or imposition of sentence for any violation of this section. A person convicted and sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of incarceration under paragraph (3)(b) or paragraph (4)(b) is not eligible for statutory gain-time under s. 944.275 or any form of discretionary early release, other than pardon or executive clemency or conditional medical release under s. 947.149, prior to serving the mandatory minimum sentence.

(7) Any motor vehicle involved in a violation of this section is deemed to be contraband, which may be seized by a law enforcement agency and is subject to forfeiture pursuant to ss. 932.701-932.704. Any vehicle not required to be titled under the laws of this state is presumed to be the property of the person in possession of the vehicle.

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:36 am
by violet
andyinasia wrote:What is "aggravated feeling and eluding"? Running away and hiding in an aggressive manner? Positively Pythonesque, that.


it is good writing.

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:43 am
by Banker
violet wrote:
Banker wrote:
violet wrote:
Banker wrote:He came to buy a car from me about last May with his "Son" who I realized was in fact his B/F. He didnt buy the car but I found him a pleasant person to talk to, perhaps just a good con man.

Cheers Banker


are you 100% sure about that? He does have a "son" who is definitely not his boyfriend ...


He was buying the car for his "Son" who was in his early twenty's.


he does have a son (not adopted but still under his care) who is in his early 20s, yes. He's a Cambodian. He is NOT his boyfriend... the "son" quite likes the ladies! lol

(i'm a little disappointed to see you gossiping without evidence, Banker)


Not Gossip as you put it Violet but what I see with my eyes & if the young guy with him was not gay I have lost my touch.

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:45 am
by violet
Bubble T wrote:Violet: I have seen the conversation you've been having with him on facebook this morning (including him and Trude discussing getting the situation "taken care of the Khmer way", which I have already informed the local police of).

I am surprised and disappointed that you would have an entire conversation blaming other people for his problems, while not once acknowledging that this whole thing comes from the FBI seeking his arrest. This isn't something that came up simply from people wanting to discredit him - he is a criminal wanted by the FBI.

If I was out to bag him, I would have posted photos of his boyfriend Wes Lee shortly after Ken allegedly tased him 6 times in the neck (for wanting to break off their relationship), or the letter from Wes describing the attack. Or I would have posted the reasons why he was fired from his teaching gig. As it is, I stuck to exposing legal facts - he is a fugitive whether you like it or not.


I lost a post???

anyway, what I said was. Ok... so you know Wes?

There was no conversation on Facebook... it was a comment or two. My comment referred to Playboy and is based entirely on my past history and experience with Playboy. Nothing more. There was no reference or thought in relation to you.

So it comes from the FBI? I'm really not concerned with that.

I asked what was the scam and what job was he fired from.

Bubble T... I want to form my own opinion.

I feel that here, a couple of things are being mixed in with facts. Likely to happen given the rumour mill and those involved. I want to have information to reach my own conclusions.

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:49 am
by violet
Banker wrote:
violet wrote:
Banker wrote:
violet wrote:
Banker wrote:He came to buy a car from me about last May with his "Son" who I realized was in fact his B/F. He didnt buy the car but I found him a pleasant person to talk to, perhaps just a good con man.

Cheers Banker


are you 100% sure about that? He does have a "son" who is definitely not his boyfriend ...


He was buying the car for his "Son" who was in his early twenty's.


he does have a son (not adopted but still under his care) who is in his early 20s, yes. He's a Cambodian. He is NOT his boyfriend... the "son" quite likes the ladies! lol

(i'm a little disappointed to see you gossiping without evidence, Banker)


Not Gossip as you put it Violet but what I see with my eyes & if the young guy with him was not gay I have lost my touch.

fair enough

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:52 am
by Bubble T
violet wrote:
So it comes from the FBI? I'm really not concerned with that.

I asked what was the scam and what job was he fired from.

Bubble T... I want to form my own opinion.

I feel that here, a couple of things are being mixed in with facts.


The fact that it comes from the FBI means that this isn't a personal attack, or anything from with you could try to form "your own opinion" - it's just simple facts stated in a US court document.

There are many things which could be mixed with the facts, and I have been very very careful not to include any of them. The only things included so far are provably official documents, and I'm not going to take your bate and start posting accusations from his boyfriend or gossip from his school.

And for the record: No, I'm not a friend of Wes. Many, many people have the letter he wrote about the alleged attack.

There is no "opinion" to be formed - the facts are simple, the guy is a wanted criminal, and that's all he's officially being accused of.

And btw Violet - The comments you made to him about supplying him with heavy weapons may have been meant in good humor, but they weren't funny and have also been passed onto the people providing me with protection until his arrest.

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:59 am
by violet
Bubble T wrote:
violet wrote:
So it comes from the FBI? I'm really not concerned with that.

I asked what was the scam and what job was he fired from.

Bubble T... I want to form my own opinion.

I feel that here, a couple of things are being mixed in with facts.


The fact that it comes from the FBI means that this isn't a personal attack, or anything from with you could try to form "your own opinion" - it's just simple facts stated in a US court document.

There are many things which could be mixed with the facts, and I have been very very careful not to include any of them. The only things included so far are provably official documents, and I'm not going to take your bate and start posting accusations from his boyfriend or gossip from his school.

And for the record: No, I'm not a friend of Wes. Many, many people have the letter he wrote about the alleged attack.

There is no "opinion" to be formed - the facts are simple, the guy is a wanted criminal, and that's all he's officially being accused of.

but you already did post things about Wes on here. So you have contributed to mixing in things that do not relate to the reason he is a fugitive. That is what I refer to when I state I want to form my own opinion.

He's wanted by the FBI. I'm assuming the linked doc is legit. I'd have no idea... but even if not, I've seen the other things posted by others that look official enough. I have no question around the accuracy of the FBI fugitive thing... oh to be so lucky as to be able to put FBI fugitive on my CV!!!

it was the other stuff I was asking about. And you mentioned scamming of friends. so. are you bringing in the other stuff, or just reporting on the fbi fugitive facts? You hint at things and then don't give the detail. I'm happy to have them in a PM.

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:01 pm
by fopro
Bubble T wrote:There is no "opinion" to be formed - the facts are simple, the guy is a fugitive.

Like I said before, maybe there is more to this story than I am aware of, but so what if he is a fugitive?

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:02 pm
by violet
Bubble T wrote:
violet wrote:
So it comes from the FBI? I'm really not concerned with that.

I asked what was the scam and what job was he fired from.

Bubble T... I want to form my own opinion.

I feel that here, a couple of things are being mixed in with facts.


The fact that it comes from the FBI means that this isn't a personal attack, or anything from with you could try to form "your own opinion" - it's just simple facts stated in a US court document.

There are many things which could be mixed with the facts, and I have been very very careful not to include any of them. The only things included so far are provably official documents, and I'm not going to take your bate and start posting accusations from his boyfriend or gossip from his school.

And for the record: No, I'm not a friend of Wes. Many, many people have the letter he wrote about the alleged attack.

There is no "opinion" to be formed - the facts are simple, the guy is a wanted criminal, and that's all he's officially being accused of.

And btw Violet - The comments you made to him about supplying him with heavy weapons may have been meant in good humor, but they weren't funny and have also been passed onto the people providing me with protection until his arrest.
I made no comment about providing him with heavy weapons. I joke about a violin case. He asked if I'd stashed a gun anywhere, I said I trade a gun for some klonopin. Get over it. Of course it was humour on my part! fuck! and I'm in AUSTRALIA!!!! HOw the fuck could I help him with "heavy weapons" which I NEVER said! I'm leaving this thread. You are all fucking paranoid.

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:05 pm
by Bubble T
fopro wrote:so what if he is a fugitive?

So, he's going to get arrested and thrown back in a Florida jail where he belongs.

Violet: I haven't made any outright accusations about what happened with Wes or anything else. I made a point of saying I couldn't prove it, so wouldn't include it. Simple.

You mentioned lending him a Gatling gun, specifically. It wasn't funny.