Kantha Bopha In trouble!
I don't think that western quality hospitals are unsustainable JC.Or at least a version of them.
Without modern diagnostic equipment like we have in the west then many illnesses are impossible to diagnose.When my pregnant friend had a very high fever I took her to a good Khmer clinic in phnom penh where an ultrasound revealed a urinary tract infection.
Without massive doses of antibiotics both she and the child may have been dead within a couple of days.
Ultrasound is nowadays a basic piece of equipment,would any rural health clinic have such a machine?
I doubt it.
So much money has been spent in Cambodia by the UN and other NGOs without much result to seems to me.Dr beats expenditure would be a drop in the ocean by comparison surely.
I have wondered for years why the big donor countries haven't funded hospitals and helped train health professionals,the greedy bastards running the country will never.
I posted a while ago about the cost of the monstrosity at bokor,up to two billion and how it will never make money.The prick could have set up some pretty good clinics all around the country with that money.
I googled Angelina jolies operation in the old KR province neat the border recently.The numbers of people visiting her clinic every day was mind boggling.
I will go and have a look up there when I return,she may have the blueprint for a better rural health service.Gina is predicted to be the richest person in the world soon,her 60 billion could help save more Cambodian children than dr beat.
It is rumored that she gave 10 million to sisha to help alleviate the suffering of poor,down trodden Australian policemen so she may come to the party for a better cause.
Without modern diagnostic equipment like we have in the west then many illnesses are impossible to diagnose.When my pregnant friend had a very high fever I took her to a good Khmer clinic in phnom penh where an ultrasound revealed a urinary tract infection.
Without massive doses of antibiotics both she and the child may have been dead within a couple of days.
Ultrasound is nowadays a basic piece of equipment,would any rural health clinic have such a machine?
I doubt it.
So much money has been spent in Cambodia by the UN and other NGOs without much result to seems to me.Dr beats expenditure would be a drop in the ocean by comparison surely.
I have wondered for years why the big donor countries haven't funded hospitals and helped train health professionals,the greedy bastards running the country will never.
I posted a while ago about the cost of the monstrosity at bokor,up to two billion and how it will never make money.The prick could have set up some pretty good clinics all around the country with that money.
I googled Angelina jolies operation in the old KR province neat the border recently.The numbers of people visiting her clinic every day was mind boggling.
I will go and have a look up there when I return,she may have the blueprint for a better rural health service.Gina is predicted to be the richest person in the world soon,her 60 billion could help save more Cambodian children than dr beat.
It is rumored that she gave 10 million to sisha to help alleviate the suffering of poor,down trodden Australian policemen so she may come to the party for a better cause.
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ken, maybe she could rescue the poor down-trodden Cambodian policemen?
It's not just Cambodia, the whole world is fucked. Take the case of something like aircraft carriers for example, imagine how much good you could do if you equipped them to deal with natural disasters and health systems/ basic education. It won't happen.
It's not just Cambodia, the whole world is fucked. Take the case of something like aircraft carriers for example, imagine how much good you could do if you equipped them to deal with natural disasters and health systems/ basic education. It won't happen.
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I thinksome people don’t like Dr. Richner because of his manner of sorts. He’s a bit eccentic and turns off a lot of people. He has strong beliefs about running a hospital, personal things you might disagree with, and since he is the face of the free hospital chain I think it suffers financially. The aid community I think has huge issues and his hospital, particularly regarding salaries and quality of patient care in a country like Cambodia.
It’s much more complicated though but I still think his hospitals area good thing. The real question should be who is going to poney up. It’s Cambodian heavy hitters that need to do—those that have been reaping financial rewards and also maintain a place in government. I feel like there is not a philanthropic nature in many wealthy Cambodians. They don’t start foundations or do grantmaking like other Western countires. It’s always investments from foreign countries, charities, or individuals that finance healthcare and general social services in Cambodia.
So while some don’t like him, I think he still does fine work. He has a defined history treating Khmer children free of charge and saving lives and preventing serious illness by keeping children healthy through current immunizations, vaccinations, etc. Many of these Khmer are poor and wouldn’t or couldn’t pay for it . They pay their skilled doctors, nurses, and entire staff a very generous wage. In exchange doctors and nurses don’t take facilitation fees and give priority to certain parents. It’s a decent healthcare system.
I think it’s not just treating children for free, its diagnosing people properly. Most poor people I’ve met in the countryside go to the pharmacist first, telling them their symptoms. If it gets more serious, healthcare in the countryside can be sketchy. It depends on what you can pay. There is no real way to know if the local doctor is qualified. They prescribe heavy antibiotics, many not relevant to their illness. It's just not developed and while it is still improving a free hospital system is a good alternative for now.
It’s much more complicated though but I still think his hospitals area good thing. The real question should be who is going to poney up. It’s Cambodian heavy hitters that need to do—those that have been reaping financial rewards and also maintain a place in government. I feel like there is not a philanthropic nature in many wealthy Cambodians. They don’t start foundations or do grantmaking like other Western countires. It’s always investments from foreign countries, charities, or individuals that finance healthcare and general social services in Cambodia.
So while some don’t like him, I think he still does fine work. He has a defined history treating Khmer children free of charge and saving lives and preventing serious illness by keeping children healthy through current immunizations, vaccinations, etc. Many of these Khmer are poor and wouldn’t or couldn’t pay for it . They pay their skilled doctors, nurses, and entire staff a very generous wage. In exchange doctors and nurses don’t take facilitation fees and give priority to certain parents. It’s a decent healthcare system.
I think it’s not just treating children for free, its diagnosing people properly. Most poor people I’ve met in the countryside go to the pharmacist first, telling them their symptoms. If it gets more serious, healthcare in the countryside can be sketchy. It depends on what you can pay. There is no real way to know if the local doctor is qualified. They prescribe heavy antibiotics, many not relevant to their illness. It's just not developed and while it is still improving a free hospital system is a good alternative for now.
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this reminds me of the story i heard about an official who was asked to do some volunteering by his expat partners, and he was discussing this and making arrangements when to do the volunteering, and how much he woud get paid... No, no, no, they exlplained, you don';t get paid for this!!
I feel like there is not a philanthropic nature in many wealthy Cambodians. They don’t start foundations or do grantmaking like other Western countires. It’s always investments from foreign countries, charities, or individuals that finance healthcare and general social services in Cambodia.
It did not compute.
Mind you, I can see his point.
Look, it doesn't matter how much they have, in their minds they are all quite poor, and so why should they share it with the less unfortunate who, because they are, poor, are ipso facto morally inferior, and ergo undeserving!!
some of the people up at the lake used to be rather well off, on close inspection. Tuol Kok is where the money is, imho! (Not that I really know). My dad came to visit once, and there was a conference going on in the hotel opp the peace cafe sonteipheap, brickman's old place, and you should have seen the convoy of lexuses from the finance min that were lined up there. unbelivable....
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penguint wrote:there is something that bothers me about the timing of this letter to the editor...
Call me a conspiracy nut if you must- but still...
I think you may be on to something. The hospital is connected to the 'mystery disease that is killing children.
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/06/cambodi ... e_salpart/The Kantha Bopha children’s hospital group, run by Swiss native Dr Beat Richner, is on the front-lines of the epidemic, specializing as it does in the treatment of young Khmer children. Quoted in a July 4th Phnom Penh Post article, Mr Richner reported to Cambodian Minister of Health Mam Bun Heng that “such a disease had not been seen in the past 20 years in Cambodia”-as long as Richner has been managing hospitals in the region, which he first began doing in 1992.
Call me suspicious, but it seems a great way to attract new funding. Problem, reaction,solution? Never let a crisis go to waste.
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Whomever said it is time the Khmer govt ought to take some responsibility, yep! Take a fraction of your dough from Canadia and Swiss banks and get your dicks off your Lexus!
Everyone bow down and pay extreme homage to his Majesty flying chicken.
Anybody seen any of these?
Richner and his work in Cambodia have also been the subject of five documentary films by Georges Gachot: Bach at the Pagoda (1997), And the Beat Goes On (1999), Depardieu goes for Beatocello (2002), and Money or Blood (2004). In 2006, the documentary "Dr Beat and The Passive Genocide of Children" by Australian film maker Janine Hosking was produced
Richner and his work in Cambodia have also been the subject of five documentary films by Georges Gachot: Bach at the Pagoda (1997), And the Beat Goes On (1999), Depardieu goes for Beatocello (2002), and Money or Blood (2004). In 2006, the documentary "Dr Beat and The Passive Genocide of Children" by Australian film maker Janine Hosking was produced
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Havent seen none of those, whats your point? More funds from overseas donors to NGOs, hospitals and alike mean more abuse from those in control of the finance and irresponsibility from the govt.
Everyone bow down and pay extreme homage to his Majesty flying chicken.
No point, just asking if anyone hasflying chicken wrote:Havent seen none of those, whats your point? .
a. Seen them
b. Think they are worth finding
No shit.More funds from overseas donors to NGOs, hospitals and alike mean more abuse from those in control of the finance and irresponsibility from the govt
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Haven't seen the film but I've read the booklet.pedros wrote:Anyboby seen...the documentary "Dr Beat and The Passive Genocide of Children" by Australian film maker Janine Hosking was produced
This. However I'm not so sure it's intentional - probably just crap care synonymous with general Khmer medical treatment. I don't doubt the top dude, but it's the little people that are really on the front line - and they do like to shove a drip into just about anything that moves, exacerbating this particular problem.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote:I think you may be on to something. The hospital is connected to the 'mystery disease that is killing children.penguint wrote:there is something that bothers me about the timing of this letter to the editor...
Call me a conspiracy nut if you must- but still...
Call me suspicious, but it seems a great way to attract new funding. Problem, reaction,solution? Never let a crisis go to waste.
Not a problem restricted to Cambodia mind you - just look at MRSA & other bugs in western 'top quality' hospitals. You turn up with a mild cold and end up leaving the hospital stone-cold on a slab from something you'd never have contracted if you didn't go to hospital in the first place!
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Hey guys , please take note that the disease making many young children die or become sick was NOT identifyable no matter who tended to them , country quacks were obviosly easy to blame . Now WHO has come up with answer to this problem , it is a childs disease similar to foot and mouth which is idetified by coughing , sneezing and blisters in the mouth and on hands and feet , Please note that they say this disease is NOT preventabe or curable at this present time . Instead of carping on hospital staff incompetance it would serve a far better purpose to warn parents of these young chidren away from any other children showing these symptoms , prevention is the ONLY cure similar to Dengue fever .
This was on MSN breaking news today , i hope you do not mind me mentioning it here which sounds like an appropriate place to catch attention of people who give a damn about chidrens health and welfare despite thier culture or land of origin , pleasaew pass the word around , thanks .
This was on MSN breaking news today , i hope you do not mind me mentioning it here which sounds like an appropriate place to catch attention of people who give a damn about chidrens health and welfare despite thier culture or land of origin , pleasaew pass the word around , thanks .
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The suggestion has not been that Cambodian country doctors are to be blamed for failing to identify the disease but for perhaps contributing to killing their patients by drug "toxicity", i.e. giving so much/many medications that the medications caused respiratory breakdown/failure. Though that has not been proven.mango45 wrote:Hey guys , please take note that the disease making many young children die or become sick was NOT identifyable no matter who tended to them , country quacks were obviosly easy to blame ...
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