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I've never been in one but since the building was renovated by East West they'd be done to a high standard. For $750 a month you'd expect something good although living in any penthouse on the riverside would come at a premium.
I see a quick search reveals this report of him living there from more than 3 years ago:
http://fisheggtree.blogspot.com/2009/04 ... bodia.html
I see a quick search reveals this report of him living there from more than 3 years ago:
http://fisheggtree.blogspot.com/2009/04 ... bodia.html
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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Hope he kept it tidy for Gavin.
I came, I argued, I'm out
They appear to have a fairly good relationship with Interpol surprisingly enough.toady wrote:What is Cambodia's record with interpol and when was this red note issued anyway? There is no extradition treaty, no special relationship with Sweden that I know of, and little concern over intellectual-property. I would say this was foreigners sponsored by the copyright establishment doing all the groundwork work and then just telling the police what to do, in exchange for a brown envelope.keeping_it_riel wrote:I doubt anybody ratted on him. These days, local police precinct offices are pretty efficient at keeping records on foreign tenants current adresses, so they've provably known his whereabouts for years.
When China wanted Devillers, they made them go through Interpol because the case involved four countries. Interpol helps them track crime at the borders. Interpol has negotiated arrests for Cambodian fugitives who have fled to countries where they have no treaty in place. Trofimov was sent home under the auspices of an Interpol red notice (finally).
You're right that Cambodia doesn't give a shit about extradition treaties, but Interpol is pretty useful to the government; it gets all kinds of funding from around the world and it has been able to handle stuff for them in the past internationally.
And Cambodia has requested red notices on fugitives and gotten them honored, so I think it's a fairly well functioning apparatus - except maybe when you've got a Russian pervert with millions of dollars, then it might take a while to get him on the right plane. But that's a whole other deal.
Basically, too bad for Gottfrid, but if he retains some of his millions of dollars and has to do a year in prison I guess I just don't think that's a big deal. I could do that standing on my head if I got to make millions first and keep any of it. I could do that standing on my head anyways. It's a year. He should have just gone home and dealt with it in the first place, though I understand he's not entirely stable as a person.
At any rate: Happy ending. He gets a year off from whatever has him on, and that could possibly save his life at this point if he's doing as badly as people say. That might be the best thing for him. A year in the time out corner. He'll probably be healthier at the end of it, if not happier. I bet his Mother is relieved, frankly.
And if he doesn't get fined for ALL the money? Well, that's not a bad trade. You might think it's unjust or something, but if that's the worst injustice you encounter today you should find a map and ask directions because you're probably not in Cambodia.
How much art can you take?
He probably could have hide out on an Amish farm in Pennsylvania without being noticed.
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Are you sure about that? Devillers wasn't accused of any crime, he was only wanted for questioning. He's been back in Cambodia since last week.InterNed wrote: When China wanted Devillers, they made them go through Interpol because the case involved four countries.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
Lucky Lucan wrote:Are you sure about that? Devillers wasn't accused of any crime, he was only wanted for questioning. He's been back in Cambodia since last week.InterNed wrote: When China wanted Devillers, they made them go through Interpol because the case involved four countries.
Yeah, when he asked I searched out and read a bunch of news stories involving Cambodia and Interpol.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/ ... DV20120627
"(The Information Minister) said Devillers, 52, who has lived in Cambodia for at least five years, would not be extradited for now. China had not provided any evidence to Cambodia but might send an investigating judge to interrogate him, he said.
Information Minister Khieu Kanharith said that even though there was an extradition treaty between the two countries, China would have to go through Interpol as the case involved four countries, Britain, France, China and Cambodia."
I don't know if China came up with a valid national arrest warrant and Interpol obliged them with a red notice or not, but that seems like it would have been the easiest way to deal with it, unless they just paid Cambodia off.
Interpol also does stuff with wildlife trafficking, child trafficking, all the ugly international stuff. They assist Cambodian law enforcement with investigations and so forth ... I think the Gov't must rely on them a lot for some things (at least that's the impression that the news reports give.)
In fact, Cambodia's relationship with Interpol is quite a bit cozier than the laws of some nations would allow at all since it isn't strictly a government force:
http://www.interpol.int/Member-countrie ... c/Cambodia
----> Right hand side of the screen, you can see all 35 of Cambodia's active Red Notices by following a link:
http://www.interpol.int/Wanted-Persons? ... Office=212
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Do you think Gottrried will get his security deposit and rent in advance back from the landlord? I mean considering the circumstances of him breaking the lease it would seem only fair but we all know what Cambodian landlords can be like. Now that would be the real crime here!Lucky Lucan wrote:I've never been in one but since the building was renovated by East West they'd be done to a high standard. For $750 a month you'd expect something good although living in any penthouse on the riverside would come at a premium.
I see a quick search reveals this report of him living there from more than 3 years ago:
http://fisheggtree.blogspot.com/2009/04 ... bodia.html
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
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On a semi-related note, I remember when I signed the lease on my apartment that I had to write my passport # on the paper. So hypothetically, let's say I bolted one month without paying, screw the deposit -- could the landlord notify the police/immigration and would it be a considered a crime? Would there be problems when leaving/returning to the country?
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What, so the landlord complains, Interpol try to escort him onto the flight, and the border guards at Pochentong refuse to let him leave.Pecahead wrote:On a semi-related note, I remember when I signed the lease on my apartment that I had to write my passport # on the paper. So hypothetically, let's say I bolted one month without paying, screw the deposit -- could the landlord notify the police/immigration and would it be a considered a crime? Would there be problems when leaving/returning to the country?
That could complicate things a bit!
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He's suspected of having committed crimes in Cambodia, according to the Swedish newspaper Expressen
http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/pirate- ... -kambodja/
http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/pirate- ... -kambodja/
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Do you think the landlord will get to keep all his valuable computer equipment?TJP777 wrote: Do you think Gottrried will get his security deposit and rent in advance back from the landlord? I mean considering the circumstances of him breaking the lease it would seem only fair but we all know what Cambodian landlords can be like. Now that would be the real crime here!
Thanks for that, but I don't know a word of Swedish, so here's the rough Google translation:He's suspected of having committed crimes in Cambodia, according to the Swedish newspaper Expressen
expressen wrote:Pirate Bay founder has been arrested in Cambodia
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International called Pirate Bay founder Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, 27, has been arrested in Cambodia.
- I have been contacted and know that he is arrested, but I'm unclear on why, says Ola Salomonsson who defended Svartholm Warg in the Pirate Bay trial.
In April 2009, sentenced Gottfrid Svartholm Warg in the District Court to one year in prison for complicity in violation of copyright law.
He was also sentenced, along with Fredrik Neij, Peter Sunde and Carl Lundström, a joint and several liability of 30 million.
When the Court of Appeals took up the case in 2010 appeared Gottfrid Svartholm Warg never addressed in the negotiations. Instead he was in Cambodia, where he was reported to be ill. Since then, he has been an international wanted list.
The Embassy following the matter
Last Thursday, he was arrested as reported to the Expressen in Cambodia's capital Phnom Penh.
MFA's press service confirmed that a man in his 30s has been arrested.
- The Embassy of Sweden follow the case and on Thursday visited the Embassy of the detained person. He's given the circumstances, says Linn Duvhammar the press office.
UD was yesterday not tell why he was arrested, but reportedly told Expressen he was suspected of a crime in Cambodia. When police then did ers on his name came the international you called up.
Lawyer Ola Salomonsson defended Gottfrid Svartholm Warg during the Pirate Bay trial, and he has been contacted by the arrest.
- I know he's in jail, but I have not been clear to me why. It's pretty fresh. We'll see what it leads to, he says.
Not talked in a long time
He has not talked to Gottfrid Svartholm Warg personally.
- It's been several years since I had contact with him. It was in connection with the appeal. Then we had indirect contact via a channel, but I have not talked to him in a long time, he says.
According Salomonsson it does not matter whether Sweden has an extradition treaty with Cambodia or not.
- It is possible to extradite people anyway. It is a diplomatic and political issue.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
According Salomonsson it does not matter whether Sweden has an extradition treaty with Cambodia or not - It is possible to extradite people anyway. It is a diplomatic and political issue.
Bingo!
Unless a nation has some specific laws barring extradition without a treaty in place, it would be at the discretion of the governments involved. Couldn't quite put my finger on it before, oh well.
"The consensus in international law is that a state does not have any obligation to surrender an alleged criminal to a foreign state as one principle of sovereignty is that every state has legal authority over the people within its borders. Such absence of international obligation and the desire of the right to demand such criminals of other countries have caused a web of extradition treaties or agreements to evolve; most countries in the world have signed bilateral extradition treaties with most other countries."
Bingo!
Unless a nation has some specific laws barring extradition without a treaty in place, it would be at the discretion of the governments involved. Couldn't quite put my finger on it before, oh well.
"The consensus in international law is that a state does not have any obligation to surrender an alleged criminal to a foreign state as one principle of sovereignty is that every state has legal authority over the people within its borders. Such absence of international obligation and the desire of the right to demand such criminals of other countries have caused a web of extradition treaties or agreements to evolve; most countries in the world have signed bilateral extradition treaties with most other countries."
How much art can you take?