7 Reasons Not to Friend a Khmer Woman on Facebook
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I can only think of 3 groups of people who would use facebook:
Businesses
Teenagers
Work-seekers, but I would think professionals would use something else, say Linkedin
fwiw, teachers in Germany are prohibited from contacting students via facebook, and face criminal prosecution if they do so.
Good law, imho.
Businesses
Teenagers
Work-seekers, but I would think professionals would use something else, say Linkedin
fwiw, teachers in Germany are prohibited from contacting students via facebook, and face criminal prosecution if they do so.
Good law, imho.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
Schools or universities don't seem to be the appropriate platforms for learning Netiquette, online social manners and even just basically critical thinking and moderation.andyinasia wrote:There is a serious point here. You have to realise only two years ago only 3% of Cambodians had access to the internet - currently it is 25% and rising rapidly. In other words, the internet - and Facebook in particular - is a very new phenomenon. Overnight young Cambodians have gained access to the technology and the resources, but what they don't have is the education to know how to use it. In the West we grew up with IT developing quickly, but not as fast as today, and up to a point we had time to educate ourselves about the pitfalls of using the internet. You can't blame Cambodians for going 'lop lop'; what is so important is that they gain the critical faculties and wherewithal to cope with them. The problem is, who teaches them? Parents? They don't know. Teachers? It's new for Khmer teachers too. Westerners? Yes, we are the ones who have the background and experience, but who's going to ask us? Schools ought to be asking us to incorporate sensible use of the internet into English lessons - far more useful than units on visiting an art gallery in Spain. But I don't know of any Principals/DoS who have considered this.Joon wrote:I really don't want to go to the lop~lop side of Facebook. But is there a way to mitigate this? It's really distressing to see young Cambodians getting extremely wrong habits which they think are righteous and voicing dumb-as-fuck and/or extremist opinions.
I'm not an active Facebook user but even if I tried to point out what is wrong with whatever Cambodians post on Facebook, my voice is lost among the dozens, hundreds other people who encourage such behavior, by which I mean, self-centered, narcissic, moody, self-righteous, and outright extremist at times.
How can you "educate" them in such context?
I didn't have any crash course when I first got on the Internet back in 1999. But I had a solid education and self-teaching in critical thinking and analysis.
How can one encourage young Cambodians to be less concerned with superficiality (appearance, display of wealth, approval seeking, fame, etc)?
And most of them don't get Western-style sarcasm.
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Read what some of the expats post on this board, and you will realise that it is not a uniquely Cambodian problem. In fact, I would say a couple of posters are more concerned with display of wealth than many Khmers I've met.Joon wrote:How can one encourage young Cambodians to be less concerned with superficiality (appearance, display of wealth, approval seeking, fame, etc)?
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
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Doesn't the rest of your post reinforce my argument? Why do you say schools and unis are inappropriate? I'm saying Western and Western-educated Khmer teachers are ideally placed to educate the youth on 'Netiquette'. What's your objection to that?Joon wrote:Schools or universities don't seem to be the appropriate platforms for learning Netiquette, online social manners and even just basically critical thinking and moderation.andyinasia wrote:There is a serious point here. You have to realise only two years ago only 3% of Cambodians had access to the internet - currently it is 25% and rising rapidly. In other words, the internet - and Facebook in particular - is a very new phenomenon. Overnight young Cambodians have gained access to the technology and the resources, but what they don't have is the education to know how to use it. In the West we grew up with IT developing quickly, but not as fast as today, and up to a point we had time to educate ourselves about the pitfalls of using the internet. You can't blame Cambodians for going 'lop lop'; what is so important is that they gain the critical faculties and wherewithal to cope with them. The problem is, who teaches them? Parents? They don't know. Teachers? It's new for Khmer teachers too. Westerners? Yes, we are the ones who have the background and experience, but who's going to ask us? Schools ought to be asking us to incorporate sensible use of the internet into English lessons - far more useful than units on visiting an art gallery in Spain. But I don't know of any Principals/DoS who have considered this.Joon wrote:I really don't want to go to the lop~lop side of Facebook. But is there a way to mitigate this? It's really distressing to see young Cambodians getting extremely wrong habits which they think are righteous and voicing dumb-as-fuck and/or extremist opinions.
I'm not an active Facebook user but even if I tried to point out what is wrong with whatever Cambodians post on Facebook, my voice is lost among the dozens, hundreds other people who encourage such behavior, by which I mean, self-centered, narcissic, moody, self-righteous, and outright extremist at times.
How can you "educate" them in such context?
I didn't have any crash course when I first got on the Internet back in 1999. But I had a solid education and self-teaching in critical thinking and analysis.
How can one encourage young Cambodians to be less concerned with superficiality (appearance, display of wealth, approval seeking, fame, etc)?
And most of them don't get Western-style sarcasm.
Scoobz - well as an English teacher I feel obligated to keep up with the latest neologisms. I do indeed hate the term with a passion.
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I still find facebook fun and enjoy catching up with people from my schooldays and the children of my contemporaries. But what is vlads obsession with money, or in his case the lack thereof.
Gotta jump in the elevator and have a few beers and a swim on the roof with the family.
Gotta jump in the elevator and have a few beers and a swim on the roof with the family.
You hate the word unfriend ? Why ? The concept describe if not entirely new became quite frequent with social media. I do not know of any existing word which describes the same thing.
Furious to be banned from K440 Cambod xxx Vladimir while eating a pizza.
You see in one word only unfriend fit.
Furious to be banned from K440 Cambod xxx Vladimir while eating a pizza.
You see in one word only unfriend fit.
I would want to die if I had to stay at the Capitol. I used to stop there for a cheap breakfast sometimes when looking for car parts around tep pon. Bloody awful place.
You've been here too long Svay Ken!ken svay wrote:I would want to die if I had to stay at the Capitol. I used to stop there for a cheap breakfast sometimes when looking for car parts around tep pon. Bloody awful place.
Go to the Le Royal and draw a nice warm fragrant bath. Then take 10 Xanax and drink 2 bottles of wine (with candlelight of course). Get into the sweet porcelain bathtub and then slide under....gently...easy, enjoyable, painless...
Capitol? Meh...
I love fish and chips with vinegar in newspaper!!!
To respond to Andy without quoting, I meant it as considering the current state of schools and universities in Cambodia, both private and public. They won't include it in their curriculum because they don't see the need for it. Vlad suggested that schools shot the very idea down as waste of time.
And you said it yourself, "schools ought to" ask you, Westerners and Western-educated Cambodians, to teach Cambodians about Internet in English classes. Why they didn't so far?
In addition, critical thinking is not taught or fostered in public schools, at all. By the time most Cambodians reach university levels, they don't have the critical faculties you mentioned. It's not something you get taught overnight with a crash course.
So my objection is that the Cambodian public education system itself in its current state is not conducive to equip young Cambodians with the critical, analytical skills they need to respond by themselves to peer pressure, fast social changes, cultural shocks, and political propaganda.
Teaching anything to most of them now is just a little bit more than teaching them to repeat/copy-paste textbooks.
Plus, most Cambodians don't get to study or learn English in the quality establishments where "Western" teachers are.
And you said it yourself, "schools ought to" ask you, Westerners and Western-educated Cambodians, to teach Cambodians about Internet in English classes. Why they didn't so far?
In addition, critical thinking is not taught or fostered in public schools, at all. By the time most Cambodians reach university levels, they don't have the critical faculties you mentioned. It's not something you get taught overnight with a crash course.
So my objection is that the Cambodian public education system itself in its current state is not conducive to equip young Cambodians with the critical, analytical skills they need to respond by themselves to peer pressure, fast social changes, cultural shocks, and political propaganda.
Teaching anything to most of them now is just a little bit more than teaching them to repeat/copy-paste textbooks.
Plus, most Cambodians don't get to study or learn English in the quality establishments where "Western" teachers are.
If you say so. But at least they are called out on it or other bullshit they do.vladimir wrote:Read what some of the expats post on this board, and you will realise that it is not a uniquely Cambodian problem. In fact, I would say a couple of posters are more concerned with display of wealth than many Khmers I've met.Joon wrote:How can one encourage young Cambodians to be less concerned with superficiality (appearance, display of wealth, approval seeking, fame, etc)?
I already got depressed that "selfie" was consecrated word of the year and that "twerk/twerking" came a close second.scobienz wrote:I feel slightly depressed that:
1) 'unfriend' is now an accepted part if the English language;
2) that one of K440's most intelligent and well-read posters just used it without blushing; and
3) that I knew what he meant.
So... unfriend? I can live with that.
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As yes, I'm with you now. I wasn't thinking about the public school sector, which is devoid of investment and doesn't employ westerners. I was referring to the private sector with its rash of new English-language medium schools together with the private university sector.
In another thread recently I was strongly advocating for appropriate content in English classes - something I feel strongly about. I see no good reason that 'netiquette' shouldn't be included in English-language courses - as well as critical thinking. I was doing it last year when I had free reign over content; this year a crappy EFL course has been imposed on me. Elsewhere, I'd argue that a unit on using the internet would be of extremely high relevance and interest to students anywhere - the reason it doesn't happen is down to inertia and ignorance at management level.
Nb. I hate the childish terms selfie, twerking and unfriend, but my special disdain is reserved for that favourite of the intellectual classes, "going forward"
In another thread recently I was strongly advocating for appropriate content in English classes - something I feel strongly about. I see no good reason that 'netiquette' shouldn't be included in English-language courses - as well as critical thinking. I was doing it last year when I had free reign over content; this year a crappy EFL course has been imposed on me. Elsewhere, I'd argue that a unit on using the internet would be of extremely high relevance and interest to students anywhere - the reason it doesn't happen is down to inertia and ignorance at management level.
Nb. I hate the childish terms selfie, twerking and unfriend, but my special disdain is reserved for that favourite of the intellectual classes, "going forward"
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That's two nights in a row you've responded to the wrong thread.ken svay wrote:I would want to die if I had to stay at the Capitol. I used to stop there for a cheap breakfast sometimes when looking for car parts around tep pon. Bloody awful place.
I think you wanted this one Ukrainian Dies at the Capitol.
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To give it's due, it was as far as I know the first guesthouse to open in the city in the post PRK period, in around 1990. I stayed there briefly in 1999, after a very short stay at a riverside hotel that spooked me out. The rooms were clean and big with their own bathrooms and it was cheap. The restaurant was a very popular hang-out for the handful of foreigners who lived here in the 90s, times have moved on and there's no chance I'd ever want to go there now.ken svay wrote:I would want to die if I had to stay at the Capitol. I used to stop there for a cheap breakfast sometimes when looking for car parts around tep pon. Bloody awful place.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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