Let me ask this. Aside from police clearance stuff. Do schools generally ask prospective teachers if they have criminal records, pending criminal charges, etc.
Step 1 should be the schools having a comprehensive application asking people to list prior jobs within the last ten years, reason for leaving, and asking them if they have been convicted of any crimes or have any criminal charges pending. Do they do that?
I know, I know, applicants can lie, but that's a start.
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No. The first time I was asked to do this was when I worked for an NGO which specialised in working with poor children.gavinmac wrote:Let me ask this. Aside from police clearance stuff. Do schools generally ask prospective teachers if they have criminal records, pending criminal charges, etc.
Step 1 should be the schools having a comprehensive application asking people to list prior jobs within the last ten years, reason for leaving, and asking them if they have been convicted of any crimes or have any criminal charges pending. Do they do that?
I know, I know, applicants can lie, but that's a start.
No one else asked for it.
I don't think prior jobs/ reason for leaving will help, that's based on the premise that the schools are kosher...and many are not.
A friend told me about one school, 3 teachers refused to sign. No one was fired.
Mandatory CRCs. Only way to go.
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There seems to be a general unwillingness to check references/job history here even for non child related jobs.
I really don't know why. Laziness? Not trusting honesty of referees...
I really don't know why. Laziness? Not trusting honesty of referees...
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Why not ask teachers to list every job they held and the dates and reason for leaving? that's standard stuff in the USA.
If a person lists 9 jobs in five years and reasons for leaving is "problem with my boss," "too much work," "problem with another boss, etc." that's a red flag. And if the person claims they left jobs voluntarily and on great terms you can still call and see if that's true.
If you don't ask people about their backgrounds and do minimal follow up, you end up hiring fuck ups and bullshitters who might interview well but turn out to be bad and unreliable employees.
If a person lists 9 jobs in five years and reasons for leaving is "problem with my boss," "too much work," "problem with another boss, etc." that's a red flag. And if the person claims they left jobs voluntarily and on great terms you can still call and see if that's true.
If you don't ask people about their backgrounds and do minimal follow up, you end up hiring fuck ups and bullshitters who might interview well but turn out to be bad and unreliable employees.
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If the school had no intention of requiring teachers to submit to CRCs, why give them the form in the first place?vladimir wrote:Consent to CRC
What did the school do for the teachers who signed it? Did they run CRCs themselves, and if so, how?
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If the employer provides information other than verification of the term of employment they are leaving themselves open to litigation.if the person claims they left jobs voluntarily and on great terms you can still call and see if that's true.
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Does the possible theft of school books from the library, and potentially being a whoopsie, count as a bad employment reference?
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I have a UK and a Thai CRC background check document.Let me ask this. Aside from police clearance stuff. Do schools generally ask prospective teachers if they have criminal records, pending criminal charges, etc.
I've worked in government and private schools in Thailand, Laos and Myanmar. The only time that I had to produce these CRC docs was when I asked myself to produce them, because I was the headmaster of the school in northern Laos, and I asked all foreign staff (including myself), to provide their CRC docs.
So I have never been asked by any school for these docs.....
BTW (and I reported this at the time on this forum), Mr Corr applied to my school in Laos for a teaching job. Luckily, his strange email address rang a bell somewhere in my brain cells and I was able to Google his details and not proceed with his recruitment/interview.
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Agreed, there are virtually no background checks done, even for management positions.
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At that stage, the signatories were under the impression the process would be completed. It worked for the 3 bozos, apparently.gavinmac wrote:If the school had no intention of requiring teachers to submit to CRCs, why give them the form in the first place?vladimir wrote:Consent to CRC
What did the school do for the teachers who signed it? Did they run CRCs themselves, and if so, how?
Afaik, they did the checks themselves, relatively easy for past regional/local schools, even US, but UK is difficult, privacy laws mean the employee has to sign a form.
From my own experience, even for an academic record/transcript, many universities require a form signed by the person being investigated.
So feel free to claim you have a degree from Oxford/Cambridge, and paedos can relax, because the way things are, the law protects the con artists and criminals.
Korea, Vietnam, require a CRC for teachers. Not so many cases of paedos slipping through the net.
Schools need to be brought into line, in many cases owners know about dodgy characters but do nothing, believe it or not.
Can't we ask the PPP to do an article? Maybe get a response from the MoE?
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