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Re: SLAA Cambodia

Postby OrangeDragon » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:42 am

Google what the word Solipsist means next... you'll see they're, by definition, excluded.
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Re: SLAA Cambodia

Postby electron » Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:48 am

Orange Dragon wrote:Google what the word Solipsist means next... you'll see they're, by definition, excluded.

indeed.
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Re: SLAA Cambodia

Postby curious person » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:15 am

keeping_it_riel wrote:Before we go any further, the OP has made a serious post so if you feel he need to respond, keep your replies serious also. No smart ass stuff or trolling, thanks.
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Re: SLAA Cambodia

Postby OrangeDragon » Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:00 am

curious person wrote:
keeping_it_riel wrote:Before we go any further, the OP has made a serious post so if you feel he need to respond, keep your replies serious also. No smart ass stuff or trolling, thanks.

a) he played back... so i doubt he's too upset about it. it's bumping his thread to the top after all.
b) with enough negativity in here on the subject i felt it could use a little levity. if KIR disagrees he's free to delete it all and go back to people whining,nitpicking, and jumping down the throat of someone trying to be helpful.
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Re: SLAA Cambodia

Postby vladimir » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:47 am

Pol Pothead wrote:As far as addictions go, it sure beats alcoholism. :thumbsup:


Does the Kiwi chapter advise mutton abstinence?
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Re: SLAA Cambodia

Postby SLAA_Cambodia » Sat Jan 11, 2014 8:54 am

FreeSocrates! wrote:http://store.slaafws.org/merchant.mvc?Screen=PLST&Store_Code=SOS

It seems to be some type of giant Sex Shame Ponzi Scheme to me...


Again, I appreciate that someone took the time to go and visit the website and do some research.
It quite patently is not a Ponzi scheme. There are no financial rewards involved - other than maybe getting your life back on track and the benefits that can come from that.

With regards to "sex shame" - that sounds like a self-defined term. The problem arises when behaviour gets out of control for a particular person and things start falling apart in their life. What drives that is difficult to measure - one man's poison is another man's nectar.
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Re: SLAA Cambodia

Postby SLAA_Cambodia » Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:10 am

vladimir wrote:
Pol Pothead wrote:As far as addictions go, it sure beats alcoholism. :thumbsup:


Does the Kiwi chapter advise mutton abstinence?


While it looks like an obvious, yet weak, attempt at trolling it does raise an interesting question about how to define the problem. Sure, alcoholics have the drink problem fairly neatly defined and the solution seems obvious i.e. don't drink that first drink.

For someone suffering from a sexual addiction or sexual behaviour that is out of control the definition of their sobriety can't necessarily be as black and white as there will probably be behaviours in between that need to be addressed as well. No one said it was easy...back to someone who can't stop having affairs or using prostitutes as an example - there's a fair chance their behaviour in terms of the places they frequent or the websites the use to meet partners needs to be changed. Difficult to stop the affairs if you are a member of a dating website, using hook-up apps or hanging out in hostess bars for example.
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Postby Bosco » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:04 am

I originally brought up the connection (or lack of it) with religion to tease out whether this was another Bible bashing crowd from the southern United States. It is clear to me that is not the case with these guys. What they do is not particularly interesting for me but there's obviously a target audience or else they wouldn't be doing it.
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Postby Mèo Đen » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:51 am

Bosco wrote:I originally brought up the connection (or lack of it) with religion to tease out whether this was another Bible bashing crowd from the southern United States. It is clear to me that is not the case with these guys. What they do is not particularly interesting for me but there's obviously a target audience or else they wouldn't be doing it.

Here are there twelve steps:
The Twelve Steps of S.L.A.A.*
1. We admitted we were powerless over sex and love addiction - that our lives had
become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood
God.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our
wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked God to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to
them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would
injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with a Power
greater than ourselves, praying only for knowledge of God's will for us and the power
to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this
message to sex and love addicts and to practice these principles in all areas of our
lives.
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Re: SLAA Cambodia

Postby SLAA_Cambodia » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:38 pm

Thanks Meo Den. Appreciate that you have also been to the website.
If you take the time to read #3 you'll see that "..as we understood God" is the qualifier which lets individuals choose their own conception of a higher power. The word 'God' thereafter can be anyone's interpretation thereof. It's ridiculous to suggest that this is a Christian God or any other kind of deity - it's saying choose your higher power yourself. The word 'God' is used because it is a useful description for such - people basically understand it means a power greater than themselves, and is a traditional part of all the 12 step wordings.

If you want a more practical rather than traditional 12 Steps try these:
1. We admitted we were not running our lives intelligently, and we had become bankrupt as individuals.
2. We came to believe our lives could be salvaged with the use of greater intelligence.
3.Decided any improved intelligence could do a better job, once we understood what was possible.
4. Took stock of what we knew of successful living.
5. Admitted the possibility of being mistaken.
6. Let go of worthless old ideas.
7. Asked for help to unload belief systems which were no longer useful.
8. Listed people owed, and became willing to set things straight with them.
9. Made things straight and equal when we could, unless it would hurt them or others.
10. Inventoried new ideas, and quickly unloaded mistakes.
11. Studied other belief systems to improve our own.
12. Paid for the help we received by trying to help others.

Basically, whatever works for you.
EDIT: I have to credit some AA book or guide for the above but I am not sure where I got it from as I just have screen shots. Essentially it was saying it doesn't hurt to look at the steps from a perspective that removes the myth and superstition and puts it into a practical context. But the message remains the same - get help if you need it and here is a plan to help you do that.
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Postby andyinasia » Sat Jan 11, 2014 1:56 pm

Bosco wrote:I originally brought up the connection (or lack of it) with religion to tease out whether this was another Bible bashing crowd from the southern United States. It is clear to me that is not the case with these guys. What they do is not particularly interesting for me but there's obviously a target audience or else they wouldn't be doing it.


Have to agree with this. To his credit, he's well-prepared for the cracks and the jibes and is meeting it all with good grace. Wonder how many posters have secretly signed up already! 8-)
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Postby SLAA_Cambodia » Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:07 pm

andyinasia wrote:
Bosco wrote:I originally brought up the connection (or lack of it) with religion to test out whether this was another Bible bashing crowd from the southern United States. It is clear to me that is not the case with these guys. What they do is not particularly interesting for me but there's obviously a target audience or else they wouldn't be doing it.


Have to agree with this. To his credit, he's well-prepared for the cracks and the jibes and is meeting it all with good grace. Wonder how many posters have secretly signed up already! 8-)


Thanks Andy for the kudos.
Realistically people don't like to admit they have a problem and tend to carry on as they were right up until all the crap collapses around them - only then are they looking for a place to turn to, or become willing to admit they have an issue.

It could happen in theory, but I doubt that anyone reading this would come forward within 24 hours like that after reading this. Generally folks will continue sliding down their particular slippery slope until the SHTF moment.
This posting is not a drive for members - just raising awareness and saying "it's here if you need it".
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