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Thanks Meo Den. Appreciate that you have also been to the website.
If you take the time to read #3 you'll see that "..as we understood God" is the qualifier which lets individuals choose their own conception of a higher power. The word 'God' thereafter can be anyone's interpretation thereof. It's ridiculous to suggest that this is a Christian God or any other kind of deity - it's saying choose your higher power yourself. The word 'God' is used because it is a useful description for such - people basically understand it means a power greater than themselves, and is a traditional part of all the 12 step wordings.
If you want a more practical rather than traditional 12 Steps try these:
1. We admitted we were not running our lives intelligently, and we had become bankrupt as individuals.
2. We came to believe our lives could be salvaged with the use of greater intelligence.
3.Decided any improved intelligence could do a better job, once we understood what was possible.
4. Took stock of what we knew of successful living.
5. Admitted the possibility of being mistaken.
6. Let go of worthless old ideas.
7. Asked for help to unload belief systems which were no longer useful.
8. Listed people owed, and became willing to set things straight with them.
9. Made things straight and equal when we could, unless it would hurt them or others.
10. Inventoried new ideas, and quickly unloaded mistakes.
11. Studied other belief systems to improve our own.
12. Paid for the help we received by trying to help others.
Basically, whatever works for you.
EDIT: I have to credit some AA book or guide for the above but I am not sure where I got it from as I just have screen shots. Essentially it was saying it doesn't hurt to look at the steps from a perspective that removes the myth and superstition and puts it into a practical context. But the message remains the same - get help if you need it and here is a plan to help you do that.
If you take the time to read #3 you'll see that "..as we understood God" is the qualifier which lets individuals choose their own conception of a higher power. The word 'God' thereafter can be anyone's interpretation thereof. It's ridiculous to suggest that this is a Christian God or any other kind of deity - it's saying choose your higher power yourself. The word 'God' is used because it is a useful description for such - people basically understand it means a power greater than themselves, and is a traditional part of all the 12 step wordings.
If you want a more practical rather than traditional 12 Steps try these:
1. We admitted we were not running our lives intelligently, and we had become bankrupt as individuals.
2. We came to believe our lives could be salvaged with the use of greater intelligence.
3.Decided any improved intelligence could do a better job, once we understood what was possible.
4. Took stock of what we knew of successful living.
5. Admitted the possibility of being mistaken.
6. Let go of worthless old ideas.
7. Asked for help to unload belief systems which were no longer useful.
8. Listed people owed, and became willing to set things straight with them.
9. Made things straight and equal when we could, unless it would hurt them or others.
10. Inventoried new ideas, and quickly unloaded mistakes.
11. Studied other belief systems to improve our own.
12. Paid for the help we received by trying to help others.
Basically, whatever works for you.
EDIT: I have to credit some AA book or guide for the above but I am not sure where I got it from as I just have screen shots. Essentially it was saying it doesn't hurt to look at the steps from a perspective that removes the myth and superstition and puts it into a practical context. But the message remains the same - get help if you need it and here is a plan to help you do that.
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Have to agree with this. To his credit, he's well-prepared for the cracks and the jibes and is meeting it all with good grace. Wonder how many posters have secretly signed up already!Bosco wrote:I originally brought up the connection (or lack of it) with religion to tease out whether this was another Bible bashing crowd from the southern United States. It is clear to me that is not the case with these guys. What they do is not particularly interesting for me but there's obviously a target audience or else they wouldn't be doing it.
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Thanks Andy for the kudos.andyinasia wrote:Have to agree with this. To his credit, he's well-prepared for the cracks and the jibes and is meeting it all with good grace. Wonder how many posters have secretly signed up already!Bosco wrote:I originally brought up the connection (or lack of it) with religion to test out whether this was another Bible bashing crowd from the southern United States. It is clear to me that is not the case with these guys. What they do is not particularly interesting for me but there's obviously a target audience or else they wouldn't be doing it.
Realistically people don't like to admit they have a problem and tend to carry on as they were right up until all the crap collapses around them - only then are they looking for a place to turn to, or become willing to admit they have an issue.
It could happen in theory, but I doubt that anyone reading this would come forward within 24 hours like that after reading this. Generally folks will continue sliding down their particular slippery slope until the SHTF moment.
This posting is not a drive for members - just raising awareness and saying "it's here if you need it".
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If it's not too intrusive, I'd be interested to know what kind of circumstances led to your getting involved with the group.
If it's not too intrusive, I'd be interested to know what kind of circumstances led to your getting involved with the group.
Why “Sexual Addiction” Is Not A Useful Diagnosis — And Why It Matters. Dr. Marty Klein
If convicted mass murderer Ted Bundy had said that watching Bill Cosby reruns motivated his awful crimes, he would have been dismissed as a deranged sociopath. Instead, Bundy has said his pornography addiction made him do it–which many people treated as the conclusion of a thoughtful social scientist.Why?
There’s a phenomenon emerging in America today that affects everyone, particularly those in the helping professions. Not caring about it, or having no opinion about it, is no longer an option.
I am not interested in trashing 12-step programs. AA performs a great service every year in helping people handle their addiction to alcohol and other drugs. The question that has been put to us is, is the addiction model a good one for diagnosing sexual problems, and is the 12-step model a good one for treating sexual problems?
And if it is, is it as appropriate for treating rapists as it is for people who masturbate more than they think they should?
HOW THE SEXUAL ADDICTION MOVEMENT AFFECTS PROFESSIONALS
People are now self-diagnosing as “sex addicts.”
They’re also diagnosing their partners. Non-sexologist professionals such as ministers and doctors are diagnosing some of their clientele as sex addicts, too. As a result of these trends, many people who should be seeing therapists or sexologists are not. And many who don’t need “treatment” are getting it.
The sexual addiction movement is aggressively training non-sexologists, such as marriage counselors, in the treatment of sexual problems.
Many professionals are now taking these programs instead of those offered by sexologists. Also, some professionals now feel incompetent to treat certain systemic problems without this sexual addiction “training.” It is important to note that the content of this sexual addiction training is sexologically inadequate: there is little or no discussion of systems, physiology, diagnoses, cultural aspects, etc.
The concept of sexual addiction affects the sexual climate of the society in which we work–negatively.
This negativity is reflected in anti-sex education legislation, anti-pornography ordinances, homophobic industry regulations, etc.
Sex addicts now have cachet as sex experts.
Mass murderer Ted Bundy, widely quoted as an expert on the effects of pornography, is only one example. Right-wing crusaders now routinely quote “sex addicts” to justify repressive beliefs and public policy suggestions.
Now read on http://www.martyklein.com/why-sexual-ad ... t-matters/
If convicted mass murderer Ted Bundy had said that watching Bill Cosby reruns motivated his awful crimes, he would have been dismissed as a deranged sociopath. Instead, Bundy has said his pornography addiction made him do it–which many people treated as the conclusion of a thoughtful social scientist.Why?
There’s a phenomenon emerging in America today that affects everyone, particularly those in the helping professions. Not caring about it, or having no opinion about it, is no longer an option.
I am not interested in trashing 12-step programs. AA performs a great service every year in helping people handle their addiction to alcohol and other drugs. The question that has been put to us is, is the addiction model a good one for diagnosing sexual problems, and is the 12-step model a good one for treating sexual problems?
And if it is, is it as appropriate for treating rapists as it is for people who masturbate more than they think they should?
HOW THE SEXUAL ADDICTION MOVEMENT AFFECTS PROFESSIONALS
People are now self-diagnosing as “sex addicts.”
They’re also diagnosing their partners. Non-sexologist professionals such as ministers and doctors are diagnosing some of their clientele as sex addicts, too. As a result of these trends, many people who should be seeing therapists or sexologists are not. And many who don’t need “treatment” are getting it.
The sexual addiction movement is aggressively training non-sexologists, such as marriage counselors, in the treatment of sexual problems.
Many professionals are now taking these programs instead of those offered by sexologists. Also, some professionals now feel incompetent to treat certain systemic problems without this sexual addiction “training.” It is important to note that the content of this sexual addiction training is sexologically inadequate: there is little or no discussion of systems, physiology, diagnoses, cultural aspects, etc.
The concept of sexual addiction affects the sexual climate of the society in which we work–negatively.
This negativity is reflected in anti-sex education legislation, anti-pornography ordinances, homophobic industry regulations, etc.
Sex addicts now have cachet as sex experts.
Mass murderer Ted Bundy, widely quoted as an expert on the effects of pornography, is only one example. Right-wing crusaders now routinely quote “sex addicts” to justify repressive beliefs and public policy suggestions.
Now read on http://www.martyklein.com/why-sexual-ad ... t-matters/
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Hypothetically speaking, should a paedophile teacher stroll into one of the meetings I'm attending and implore your help in suppressing his beastly urges, would you encourage and help him combat his devilry or stand back while we all kick the shit out of him?
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This is GREAT news! I was so waiting for something like THIS !
My girlfriend needs to go there right away. How long before
I see some results of your group changing her ?
My girlfriend needs to go there right away. How long before
I see some results of your group changing her ?
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If you do it right, about 15 seconds, and you will walk away after 1 minute...Florida wrote:This is GREAT news! I was so waiting for something like THIS !
My girlfriend needs to go there right away. How long before
I see some results of your group changing her ?
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
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Ah, I won't go into details here on a public forum - suffice it to say that some of the examples I alluded to in earlier comments are relevant and brought me down to the point where I could no longer function as a person.RobW wrote:SLAA/OP
If it's not too intrusive, I'd be interested to know what kind of circumstances led to your getting involved with the group.
Essentially I ended up at the point where I was going to lose everything that I had and valued in life.
Frankly I didn't know where to turn but a series of events brought SLAA to my attention and I thought "I need help and I'll give that a go".
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Meetings are anonymous but that does not mean that there is any legal privilege or special protection. A citizen's duty doesn't end because a meeting has started.BURLESQUE@SDHHOTEL wrote:Hypothetically speaking, should a paedophile teacher stroll into one of the meetings I'm attending and implore your help in suppressing his beastly urges, would you encourage and help him combat his devilry or stand back while we all kick the shit out of him?
EDIT: I left out the critical "not". To clarify with an example, if a wanted-by-the-police rapist said as much in a meeting then I would expect that he would be promptly arrested/dealt with same as in any other forum.
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Sorry - are you asking me a question? Because it seems like you are just trying to save people from making what you consider to be a tragic error by seeking some form of help?Mèo Đen wrote:Why “Sexual Addiction” Is Not A Useful Diagnosis — And Why It Matters. Dr. Marty Klein
If convicted mass murderer Ted Bundy had said that watching Bill Cosby reruns motivated his awful crimes, he would have been dismissed as a deranged sociopath. Instead, Bundy has said his pornography addiction made him do it–which many people treated as the conclusion of a thoughtful social scientist.Why?
There’s a phenomenon emerging in America today that affects everyone, particularly those in the helping professions. Not caring about it, or having no opinion about it, is no longer an option.
I am not interested in trashing 12-step programs. AA performs a great service every year in helping people handle their addiction to alcohol and other drugs. The question that has been put to us is, is the addiction model a good one for diagnosing sexual problems, and is the 12-step model a good one for treating sexual problems?
And if it is, is it as appropriate for treating rapists as it is for people who masturbate more than they think they should?
HOW THE SEXUAL ADDICTION MOVEMENT AFFECTS PROFESSIONALS
People are now self-diagnosing as “sex addicts.”
They’re also diagnosing their partners. Non-sexologist professionals such as ministers and doctors are diagnosing some of their clientele as sex addicts, too. As a result of these trends, many people who should be seeing therapists or sexologists are not. And many who don’t need “treatment” are getting it.
The sexual addiction movement is aggressively training non-sexologists, such as marriage counselors, in the treatment of sexual problems.
Many professionals are now taking these programs instead of those offered by sexologists. Also, some professionals now feel incompetent to treat certain systemic problems without this sexual addiction “training.” It is important to note that the content of this sexual addiction training is sexologically inadequate: there is little or no discussion of systems, physiology, diagnoses, cultural aspects, etc.
The concept of sexual addiction affects the sexual climate of the society in which we work–negatively.
This negativity is reflected in anti-sex education legislation, anti-pornography ordinances, homophobic industry regulations, etc.
Sex addicts now have cachet as sex experts.
Mass murderer Ted Bundy, widely quoted as an expert on the effects of pornography, is only one example. Right-wing crusaders now routinely quote “sex addicts” to justify repressive beliefs and public policy suggestions.
Now read on http://www.martyklein.com/why-sexual-ad ... t-matters/
From the posting above I would have to guess you would prefer people seek some form of psychological, psychiatric help or pop pills.
Maybe I am wrong - but it is hard to get 'your' view when you just quote up a random page of whatever you found on Google without any of your own commentary to frame it around.
As an aside, plenty of people who go into SLAA or other 12 step programs seek concurrent help from the traditional medical fraternity at the same time.
Whatever works, works. People are different.
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I haven't went to the website but it seems hard to diagnosis being a "sex addict" even by trained persons. Perhaps not.
Also the traditional 12 steps I personally despise because of the reference of God. I neither a non-believer or believer but it's always rubbed me the wrong way. Partly because including "God" seems to always come at a price of demonizing the activity. "It's with Gods help we overcome this evil sin". Now that's my opinion but I feel holds mostly true.
Not to say anything but how much is to much? Effecting your professional life would be an indication. But who doesn't mind to stay home on your day off in a pool of your own and partners juices? To be honest how many of is haven't done this frequently?
Also the traditional 12 steps I personally despise because of the reference of God. I neither a non-believer or believer but it's always rubbed me the wrong way. Partly because including "God" seems to always come at a price of demonizing the activity. "It's with Gods help we overcome this evil sin". Now that's my opinion but I feel holds mostly true.
Not to say anything but how much is to much? Effecting your professional life would be an indication. But who doesn't mind to stay home on your day off in a pool of your own and partners juices? To be honest how many of is haven't done this frequently?
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Presumably if you think you might be, and you believe it adversely affects your life, you seek help. Nobody diagnoses you except yourself.ThePeck wrote:I haven't went to the website but it seems hard to diagnosis being a "sex addict" even by trained persons. Perhaps not.
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