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Re: SLAA Cambodia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 2:09 pm
by RobW
SLAA/OP
If it's not too intrusive, I'd be interested to know what kind of circumstances led to your getting involved with the group.

Re: SLAA Cambodia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:09 pm
by Mèo Đen
Why “Sexual Addiction” Is Not A Useful Diagnosis — And Why It Matters. Dr. Marty Klein

If convicted mass murderer Ted Bundy had said that watching Bill Cosby reruns motivated his awful crimes, he would have been dismissed as a deranged sociopath. Instead, Bundy has said his pornography addiction made him do it–which many people treated as the conclusion of a thoughtful social scientist.Why?

There’s a phenomenon emerging in America today that affects everyone, particularly those in the helping professions. Not caring about it, or having no opinion about it, is no longer an option.

I am not interested in trashing 12-step programs. AA performs a great service every year in helping people handle their addiction to alcohol and other drugs. The question that has been put to us is, is the addiction model a good one for diagnosing sexual problems, and is the 12-step model a good one for treating sexual problems?

And if it is, is it as appropriate for treating rapists as it is for people who masturbate more than they think they should?

HOW THE SEXUAL ADDICTION MOVEMENT AFFECTS PROFESSIONALS

People are now self-diagnosing as “sex addicts.”

They’re also diagnosing their partners. Non-sexologist professionals such as ministers and doctors are diagnosing some of their clientele as sex addicts, too. As a result of these trends, many people who should be seeing therapists or sexologists are not. And many who don’t need “treatment” are getting it.

The sexual addiction movement is aggressively training non-sexologists, such as marriage counselors, in the treatment of sexual problems.

Many professionals are now taking these programs instead of those offered by sexologists. Also, some professionals now feel incompetent to treat certain systemic problems without this sexual addiction “training.” It is important to note that the content of this sexual addiction training is sexologically inadequate: there is little or no discussion of systems, physiology, diagnoses, cultural aspects, etc.

The concept of sexual addiction affects the sexual climate of the society in which we work–negatively.

This negativity is reflected in anti-sex education legislation, anti-pornography ordinances, homophobic industry regulations, etc.

Sex addicts now have cachet as sex experts.

Mass murderer Ted Bundy, widely quoted as an expert on the effects of pornography, is only one example. Right-wing crusaders now routinely quote “sex addicts” to justify repressive beliefs and public policy suggestions.
Now read on http://www.martyklein.com/why-sexual-addiction-is-not-a-useful-diagnosis-and-why-it-matters/

Re: SLAA Cambodia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:24 pm
Hypothetically speaking, should a paedophile teacher stroll into one of the meetings I'm attending and implore your help in suppressing his beastly urges, would you encourage and help him combat his devilry or stand back while we all kick the shit out of him?

Re: SLAA Cambodia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:26 pm
by Florida
This is GREAT news! I was so waiting for something like THIS !

My girlfriend needs to go there right away. How long before
I see some results of your group changing her ?

Re: SLAA Cambodia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 3:28 pm
by vladimir
Florida wrote:This is GREAT news! I was so waiting for something like THIS !

My girlfriend needs to go there right away. How long before
I see some results of your group changing her ?


If you do it right, about 15 seconds, and you will walk away after 1 minute... :lol:

Re: Re:

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 4:23 pm
by Ira_Hayes
SLAA_Cambodia wrote: "it's here if you need it".


Great tag-line for a bar tbh.

Re: SLAA Cambodia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:46 pm
by SLAA_Cambodia
RobW wrote:SLAA/OP
If it's not too intrusive, I'd be interested to know what kind of circumstances led to your getting involved with the group.


Ah, I won't go into details here on a public forum - suffice it to say that some of the examples I alluded to in earlier comments are relevant and brought me down to the point where I could no longer function as a person.
Essentially I ended up at the point where I was going to lose everything that I had and valued in life.
Frankly I didn't know where to turn but a series of events brought SLAA to my attention and I thought "I need help and I'll give that a go".

Re: SLAA Cambodia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 5:52 pm
by SLAA_Cambodia
[email protected] wrote:Hypothetically speaking, should a paedophile teacher stroll into one of the meetings I'm attending and implore your help in suppressing his beastly urges, would you encourage and help him combat his devilry or stand back while we all kick the shit out of him?


Meetings are anonymous but that does not mean that there is any legal privilege or special protection. A citizen's duty doesn't end because a meeting has started.
EDIT: I left out the critical "not". To clarify with an example, if a wanted-by-the-police rapist said as much in a meeting then I would expect that he would be promptly arrested/dealt with same as in any other forum.

Re: SLAA Cambodia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:03 pm
by SLAA_Cambodia
Mèo Đen wrote:Why “Sexual Addiction” Is Not A Useful Diagnosis — And Why It Matters. Dr. Marty Klein

If convicted mass murderer Ted Bundy had said that watching Bill Cosby reruns motivated his awful crimes, he would have been dismissed as a deranged sociopath. Instead, Bundy has said his pornography addiction made him do it–which many people treated as the conclusion of a thoughtful social scientist.Why?

There’s a phenomenon emerging in America today that affects everyone, particularly those in the helping professions. Not caring about it, or having no opinion about it, is no longer an option.

I am not interested in trashing 12-step programs. AA performs a great service every year in helping people handle their addiction to alcohol and other drugs. The question that has been put to us is, is the addiction model a good one for diagnosing sexual problems, and is the 12-step model a good one for treating sexual problems?

And if it is, is it as appropriate for treating rapists as it is for people who masturbate more than they think they should?

HOW THE SEXUAL ADDICTION MOVEMENT AFFECTS PROFESSIONALS

People are now self-diagnosing as “sex addicts.”

They’re also diagnosing their partners. Non-sexologist professionals such as ministers and doctors are diagnosing some of their clientele as sex addicts, too. As a result of these trends, many people who should be seeing therapists or sexologists are not. And many who don’t need “treatment” are getting it.

The sexual addiction movement is aggressively training non-sexologists, such as marriage counselors, in the treatment of sexual problems.

Many professionals are now taking these programs instead of those offered by sexologists. Also, some professionals now feel incompetent to treat certain systemic problems without this sexual addiction “training.” It is important to note that the content of this sexual addiction training is sexologically inadequate: there is little or no discussion of systems, physiology, diagnoses, cultural aspects, etc.

The concept of sexual addiction affects the sexual climate of the society in which we work–negatively.

This negativity is reflected in anti-sex education legislation, anti-pornography ordinances, homophobic industry regulations, etc.

Sex addicts now have cachet as sex experts.

Mass murderer Ted Bundy, widely quoted as an expert on the effects of pornography, is only one example. Right-wing crusaders now routinely quote “sex addicts” to justify repressive beliefs and public policy suggestions.
Now read on http://www.martyklein.com/why-sexual-addiction-is-not-a-useful-diagnosis-and-why-it-matters/


Sorry - are you asking me a question? Because it seems like you are just trying to save people from making what you consider to be a tragic error by seeking some form of help?
From the posting above I would have to guess you would prefer people seek some form of psychological, psychiatric help or pop pills.
Maybe I am wrong - but it is hard to get 'your' view when you just quote up a random page of whatever you found on Google without any of your own commentary to frame it around.

As an aside, plenty of people who go into SLAA or other 12 step programs seek concurrent help from the traditional medical fraternity at the same time.
Whatever works, works. People are different.

SLAA Cambodia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:04 pm
by ThePeck
I haven't went to the website but it seems hard to diagnosis being a "sex addict" even by trained persons. Perhaps not.

Also the traditional 12 steps I personally despise because of the reference of God. I neither a non-believer or believer but it's always rubbed me the wrong way. Partly because including "God" seems to always come at a price of demonizing the activity. "It's with Gods help we overcome this evil sin". Now that's my opinion but I feel holds mostly true.

Not to say anything but how much is to much? Effecting your professional life would be an indication. But who doesn't mind to stay home on your day off in a pool of your own and partners juices? To be honest how many of is haven't done this frequently?

Re: SLAA Cambodia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:12 pm
by andyinasia
ThePeck wrote:I haven't went to the website but it seems hard to diagnosis being a "sex addict" even by trained persons. Perhaps not.


Presumably if you think you might be, and you believe it adversely affects your life, you seek help. Nobody diagnoses you except yourself.

Re: SLAA Cambodia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:14 pm
by SLAA_Cambodia
ThePeck wrote:....Not to say anything but how much is to much? Effecting your professional life would be an indication. But who doesn't mind to stay home on your day off in a pool of your own and partners juices? To be honest how many of is haven't done this frequently?


That doesn't sound like a problem to me either. It might be if you did the same the next day with someone else that your partner doesn't know about though. I'm not professing any diagnosis powers - like I said everyone is different and often problems aren't so much a matter of frequency rather what impact the behaviour is having on the relationship, personality, professional life etc..

Re: SLAA Cambodia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:26 pm
by vladimir
For what it's worth, this is what I see:

Someone is offering help with no strings attached, for a very real and prevalent problem.

People who have/are in denial about having this problem get a little angry, and ridicule them

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

SLAA Cambodia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:36 pm
by ThePeck
vladimir wrote:For what it's worth, this is what I see:

Someone is offering help with no strings attached, for a very real and prevalent problem.

People who have/are in denial about having this problem get a little angry, and ridicule them

Don't bite the hand that feeds you.


Very true and personally if it helps even 1 person I consider it a success.

I only ridicule the "God" portion of 12 steps. But that's my own problem :-)

Re: SLAA Cambodia

PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 9:08 pm
by Jacked Camry
ThePeck wrote:Not to say anything but how much is to much? Effecting your professional life would be an indication.


If it's effecting your professional life then you're either a porn star, pimp or a prostitute!