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Are the moderators able to check whether new posters who appear in the middle of discussions are connected to other posters in the thread ? Just curious.
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Someone should do a sit down interview with that kid. A Q&A about growing up in Sharky Bar in the early to mid 2000's. I'd read that.
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just so long as it's someone who knows what they are doing and it isn't someone who is going to use fifty words a sentence when 12 would do.gavinmac wrote:Someone should do a sit down interview with that kid. A Q&A about growing up in Sharky Bar in the early to mid 2000's. I'd read that.
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I'll tell you what I didn't miss.... I didn't miss you completely fucking up your quotes of mine on your post...scoffer wrote: Cambod,
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I'll do it. I don't know him, he doesn't know me. I'll listen, and no bias, Set it up.violet wrote:just so long as it's someone who knows what they are doing and it isn't someone who is going to use fifty words a sentence when 12 would do.gavinmac wrote:Someone should do a sit down interview with that kid. A Q&A about growing up in Sharky Bar in the early to mid 2000's. I'd read that.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
I said I would not respond and I didn’t. But now that you gentlemen have run out of air I will tell the story of any connection between me and Mr. Fletcher.
When I made by July 2013 post I did not even remember the man’s name. I did recall the memorable name of the bar – Bogey and Bacall. My post and question were a causal inquiry, along the lines of wondering what ever happened to the guy who played the skipper on Gilligan’s Island.
Years ago I drank occasionally at Bogey and Bacall. Probably found it by going in for a happy hour drink. I’m nothing if not parsimonious. It seemed an OK place, a little to the new and modern side. The staff were friendly. The two barangs who owned it were pleasant and seemed to know a bit about roots rock and blues. All told, I don’t think I was in the place more than a dozen times and never really learned the names of the owners.
The owners ran this charitable program where they would rent a big truck about 3 times a month, stop to buy food at a local produce market and go to the garbage dump and distribute small rations of food to the people who lived at the dump and made their living scavenging the enormous piles of garbage. Bar customers and others were invited to go and assist and to contribute money if they wanted to. There was no pressure. One of the owners did regularly speak about how much better it was to give direct help of this kind rather than giving money to NGO’s where much would be wasted.
I went to the dump with a group 2 or 3 times with about 7 to 15 volunteers. I contributed $20 2 or 3 times. I was offered a receipt but I declined it, as the guys seemed trustworthy. We would all get in the truck, drive to the market were the owner would get out with a few volunteers to help and buy quantities of bananas, oranges and bread baggetts. I went along to the market to buy and help load the food at least once.
When we got to the dump, people, mainly children, would line up at the back of the truck. Each would be given a baggette, one or two oranges and one or two bananas. About 500 of these ration packets would be given out until the food was gone. It was quite hard work for the volunteers to put these rations together and hand them off one by one.
Also, there was a volunteer who was medical professional who would set up a simple station to treat kids with cuts mainly on the feet, skin infections and other such injuries. He seemed a gentle and competent guy.
As to the owner’s [who I assume to be Fletcher] interaction with the kids, he would stand around and some kids would gather around him. He was somewhat happy and affectionate with them. For as much as I saw, it was nothing unusual and did not appear to be sexual. It did not attract my attention. I was working hard and busy almost all the time [about one hour or so] that we were out there.
I returned a few years later and looked for the bar but it was gone. Some other bar was there in its place. I was curious about the bar and the garbage dump program so I asked around in a few bars, I think. I was told, generally, that he owner had cheated some people in a business deal, abandoned the bar and left town. That was the end of the story and the limit of my knowledge until, out of idle and chatty curiosity I made my July 2013 post on 440.
I give to a number of charities, 2 or 3 of which are Cambodia related. As may be seen above, my involvement with the dump food distribution was minor and not particularly personal. If such a program were ongoing now, I would happily volunteer and contribute again. I would be embarrassed not to. If I have a fault in this area, it’s not giving enough money and work to charity. I suspect I share this fault with many here.
I posted on this site today in response to other posts that told of suspicious looks and negative reactions to barangs in the company of children. I told the the story of my long experience being in public in Southeast Asia with the children in my girlfriend’s family and the agreeable and unremarkable reactions to it. One of the several outings described was the rock performance at Sharky’s. Some thought it inappropriate for a small child. I did not. Really an unremarkable disagreement. It should have led to some exchange of ideas and, at worst, vigorous argument.
What happened was that in short order, with my Bogey and Bacall post as “evidence” I was called out as a pedophile supporter and an accessory to rape. This is by far the worst and most frightening conversational conduct I have ever experienced on or off the internet. For shame.
When I made by July 2013 post I did not even remember the man’s name. I did recall the memorable name of the bar – Bogey and Bacall. My post and question were a causal inquiry, along the lines of wondering what ever happened to the guy who played the skipper on Gilligan’s Island.
Years ago I drank occasionally at Bogey and Bacall. Probably found it by going in for a happy hour drink. I’m nothing if not parsimonious. It seemed an OK place, a little to the new and modern side. The staff were friendly. The two barangs who owned it were pleasant and seemed to know a bit about roots rock and blues. All told, I don’t think I was in the place more than a dozen times and never really learned the names of the owners.
The owners ran this charitable program where they would rent a big truck about 3 times a month, stop to buy food at a local produce market and go to the garbage dump and distribute small rations of food to the people who lived at the dump and made their living scavenging the enormous piles of garbage. Bar customers and others were invited to go and assist and to contribute money if they wanted to. There was no pressure. One of the owners did regularly speak about how much better it was to give direct help of this kind rather than giving money to NGO’s where much would be wasted.
I went to the dump with a group 2 or 3 times with about 7 to 15 volunteers. I contributed $20 2 or 3 times. I was offered a receipt but I declined it, as the guys seemed trustworthy. We would all get in the truck, drive to the market were the owner would get out with a few volunteers to help and buy quantities of bananas, oranges and bread baggetts. I went along to the market to buy and help load the food at least once.
When we got to the dump, people, mainly children, would line up at the back of the truck. Each would be given a baggette, one or two oranges and one or two bananas. About 500 of these ration packets would be given out until the food was gone. It was quite hard work for the volunteers to put these rations together and hand them off one by one.
Also, there was a volunteer who was medical professional who would set up a simple station to treat kids with cuts mainly on the feet, skin infections and other such injuries. He seemed a gentle and competent guy.
As to the owner’s [who I assume to be Fletcher] interaction with the kids, he would stand around and some kids would gather around him. He was somewhat happy and affectionate with them. For as much as I saw, it was nothing unusual and did not appear to be sexual. It did not attract my attention. I was working hard and busy almost all the time [about one hour or so] that we were out there.
I returned a few years later and looked for the bar but it was gone. Some other bar was there in its place. I was curious about the bar and the garbage dump program so I asked around in a few bars, I think. I was told, generally, that he owner had cheated some people in a business deal, abandoned the bar and left town. That was the end of the story and the limit of my knowledge until, out of idle and chatty curiosity I made my July 2013 post on 440.
I give to a number of charities, 2 or 3 of which are Cambodia related. As may be seen above, my involvement with the dump food distribution was minor and not particularly personal. If such a program were ongoing now, I would happily volunteer and contribute again. I would be embarrassed not to. If I have a fault in this area, it’s not giving enough money and work to charity. I suspect I share this fault with many here.
I posted on this site today in response to other posts that told of suspicious looks and negative reactions to barangs in the company of children. I told the the story of my long experience being in public in Southeast Asia with the children in my girlfriend’s family and the agreeable and unremarkable reactions to it. One of the several outings described was the rock performance at Sharky’s. Some thought it inappropriate for a small child. I did not. Really an unremarkable disagreement. It should have led to some exchange of ideas and, at worst, vigorous argument.
What happened was that in short order, with my Bogey and Bacall post as “evidence” I was called out as a pedophile supporter and an accessory to rape. This is by far the worst and most frightening conversational conduct I have ever experienced on or off the internet. For shame.
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" along the lines of wondering what ever happened to the guy who played the skipper on Gilligan’s Island. "
Are...are you retarded?
Are...are you retarded?
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Andy in Asia used to go on these pleasure trips to the dump, didn't you, Andy? Be honest and don't say you didn't.
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Cheers for that 99. FWIW, my opinion is that gavinmac and others have gone overboard in insinuating things about you and Fletcher. I didn't get any of that from your short post GM re-posted here. I know many people who did the garbage dump run in good faith, and the American doctor is a great guy. My view is that any questions re. your judgement should be restricted to you taking a small child to a bar full of working freelance prostitute and their johns, from the evidence I've seen raised in posts in this thread.
PS - to the wanky loser above: no I didn't. I went on trips with CHOICE. Keep digging yourself in, twat
PS - to the wanky loser above: no I didn't. I went on trips with CHOICE. Keep digging yourself in, twat
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I didn't insinuate anything other than that his judgment is very poor, which I think everyone except ninety9 can agree on.
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It was people who had done the garbage dump thing and who had genuine concerns about Fletcher's real motives who came to Andy and then to me wanting to know whether K440 could help:nightmare.believer wrote:Andy in Asia used to go on these pleasure trips to the dump, didn't you, Andy? Be honest and don't say you didn't.
a) publicize Fletcher's 'wrongness'
b) try and get a journalist interested in the Fletcher story.
And it was because of that, we managed to connect with someone in the UK who provided proof of Fletcher's child rape conviction and then get things moving with Andrew Drummond and the Sunday Mirror.
So I think Andy comes out of all this looking squeaky clean.
Maybe you owe him an apology?
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Andy, as I understand it, you are a journalist. So I'm sure that you readily understand that the sort of stuff that these people have done here today can be life-endangering. Were the target's identity to be publicly known, no amount of careful recounting of facts would matter. If he were so much a school janitor at home he would now face a substantial risk of lifetime unemployment.
So do forgive me if I decline any further participation here. But I call upon you [and the moderators] to set some kind of standard of conduct here that will protect naive subjects such as me from these dangers in the future.
This forum should have the same policies to protect casual users that it has to protect its long time principals and the business closely identified with it. Note that certain political statements and even the mention of certain names are banned here for safety reasons.
I'm sure you'll recall the "home invasion" episode that took place at a business very closely identified with 440 and its owners. Out of concerns about further violence and under threat from those with superior connections, it was decided to curtail and then terminate discussion.
So do forgive me if I decline any further participation here. But I call upon you [and the moderators] to set some kind of standard of conduct here that will protect naive subjects such as me from these dangers in the future.
This forum should have the same policies to protect casual users that it has to protect its long time principals and the business closely identified with it. Note that certain political statements and even the mention of certain names are banned here for safety reasons.
I'm sure you'll recall the "home invasion" episode that took place at a business very closely identified with 440 and its owners. Out of concerns about further violence and under threat from those with superior connections, it was decided to curtail and then terminate discussion.
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