American expat Eric Erdmann arrested in Phnom Penh

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Re: American Eric Erdman arrested in Phnom Penh on visa charges - Khmer media report it as child sex offence arrest

Postby Mr Lovejuice » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:02 am

So, let's say there is a paradigm at work. Which are the ways that they connect with each other?

1. APLE inform the police who then inform the embassy and the press.
2. The embassy inform the police who then inform APLE for monitoring.
3. APLE inform the embassy who inform the police who then inform the press.
4.The embassy inform APLE, who after investigation, inform the police who inform the press.

Which ever way round it was in this instance, someone made a major mistake. One that definately has caused loss of employment opportunities/ livelihood. It doesn't even matter if he is proved innocent by a statement from the embassy, APLE, the police or the press I wouldn't have thought. Cambodian school directors will shy away from any sort of slur because they are afraid they will lose students and therefore money over it.

I could state a recent example, not even to do with pedophilia, where this has been the case but won't right now.

APLE were investigating the wrong guy it seems, how bad does that leave them looking? They must have been following him for a while. Didn't they put two and two together and realize? Obviously not.

The embassy is a harder one to believe. Different DOB and location. Slightly different spelling of the name. Should have at least been gone into. I wonder what tipped them off in the end? Probably it took someone involved on the case to realize one was 6'4 and the other was 5'4 after they had picked him up. WTF!

I can't see the embassy informing APLE of the wrong guy and just leaving them to go through the courts, but I could see that APLE might inform the embassy and the embassy make mistakes and leave some innocent guy to go through the Cambodian legal system.

That they also had the cheek to charge him for a new visa etc after that!!!
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Re: American Eric Erdman arrested in Phnom Penh on visa charges - Khmer media report it as child sex offence arrest

Postby Gin&Tonic » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:09 am

Absolutely disgusting journalism.

Ethics and journalism rarely meet but in Cambodia, never. I too have been the target of a particularly nasty and highly defamatory article in the Cambodian press.

Too I late for this guy, the damage is done and with the best court system money can buy the guy will not be able to get any sort if of compensation. Heads should roll for this but no doubt, they won't.
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Re: American Eric Erdman arrested in Phnom Penh on visa charges - Khmer media report it as child sex offence arrest

Postby sniper_m4 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:14 am

Anything is possible as you stated. However just use critical thinking. How do I leave the USA as a fugitive? My passport would be blacklisted and I would be denied entry onto the flight by the TSA. If I am a fugitive on the run, do you think I am so stupid as to go to the US embassy for passport renewal? Thats insane.
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Re: American Eric Erdman arrested in Phnom Penh on visa charges - Khmer media report it as child sex offence arrest

Postby Mr Lovejuice » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:15 am

Gin&Tonic wrote:Absolutely disgusting journalism.

Ethics and journalism rarely meet but in Cambodia, never. I too have been the target of a particularly nasty and highly defamatory article in the Cambodian press.

Too I late for this guy, the damage is done and with the best court system money can buy the guy will not be able to get any sort if of compensation. Heads should roll for this but no doubt, they won't.


Whoever told the police is responsible, as they knew that they would inform the press. Then again it could have been APLE that contacted the press. I can't see the embassy doing it directly.

Do you think APLE would try and make cash by selling the story?
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Re: American Eric Erdman arrested in Phnom Penh on visa charges - Khmer media report it as child sex offence arrest

Postby Mr Lovejuice » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:21 am

sniper_m4 wrote:Anything is possible as you stated. However just use critical thinking. How do I leave the USA as a fugitive? My passport would be blacklisted and I would be denied entry onto the flight by the TSA. If I am a fugitive on the run, do you think I am so stupid as to go to the US embassy for passport renewal? Thats insane.


You'd be surprised about that actually. I'll leave it for GavinMac to fill you in more. But perhaps you should read that link he posted above,
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Re: American Eric Erdman arrested in Phnom Penh on visa charges - Khmer media report it as child sex offence arrest

Postby sniper_m4 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:27 am

Oh im sure there are plenty of braindead criminals out there. If someone is running from the law, the embassy wont renew the passport. So why even bother trying. Thats all im saying.
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Re: American Eric Erdman arrested in Phnom Penh on visa charges - Khmer media report it as child sex offence arrest

Postby Garry Crabtree » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:32 am

I'm glad he's not guilty but I think there are some lessons learned here for all our Americans expats in Cambodia.

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Re: American Eric Erdman arrested in Phnom Penh on visa charges - Khmer media report it as child sex offence arrest

Postby Mr Lovejuice » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:34 am

gavinmac wrote:
sniper_m4 wrote:If i have no federal charges and no extraditable warrants. Why would the FBI be involved? I specificly asked the embassy if the FBI was involved and they said no.


It's possible the embassy flat out lied to you. It's possible the embassy person mistakenly thought the FBI was involved when they weren't.

I know you're not a lawyer, but a better question would have been "Were any Anerican law enforcement officers involved" or "Was the embassy's (legal? security) attache involved etc.? It's very possible that the FBI itself wasn't there, but someone working with the FBI was there. The embassy official may have said "No" to FBI but would have said "Yes" or "no comment" if you uttered other magic words.

Follow up with them. Ask what offices/personnel were involved. Ask if any American law enforcement personnel were involved before, during or after your detention. Ask what, if, any communications occurred between embassy or American law enforcement authorities and Cambodian authorities before you were detained or after you were detained. Ask if this had something to do with suspicion that you were a different person with a criminal record. It did.


You left out APLE. Who the hell informed them? and more importantly Why? It seems he was under surveillance for a while. Were they trying to get him on other charges like I've read APLE do already. Let the suspects have a week in bed with 2 children before they bust them? :facepalm: Surely they should have ascertained it was the right person and arrested him immediately.
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Re: American Eric Erdman arrested in Phnom Penh on visa charges - Khmer media report it as child sex offence arrest

Postby sniper_m4 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:43 am

If I find out APLE is behind the false reporting I will file a defamation lawsuit against them.
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Re: American Eric Erdman arrested in Phnom Penh on visa charges - Khmer media report it as child sex offence arrest

Postby GMJS-440 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 8:55 am

So has the media posted retractions/apologies? Hope this guy can get everything rectified and not having any long-standing ramifications over this. Irresponsible fools.
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Re: American Eric Erdman arrested in Phnom Penh on visa charges - Khmer media report it as child sex offence arrest

Postby Garry Crabtree » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:16 am

I can understand that APLE got confused and thought the poor guy was a paedo based on him having a very similar name.

But Erdmann (double nn) took his actual passport to the US Embassy for renewable. The Embassy usually scans all old passport up for renewal and to cross check them with their US files, and possibly interpol.

This is done by computers, for the reason that mistakes cannot be allowed to happen. Lets not forget that the victim here doesn't have the same name, just a similar one. All embassy have systems in place to make sure this doesn't happen.For example, in the UK there are 40,000 people called James Smith, if one is a paedo then not all are accused.

Cambodian Police, APLE could easily make a mistake, but the Embassy couldn't and if they did then how did they correct it using the same software?
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Re: American Eric Erdman arrested in Phnom Penh on visa charges - Khmer media report it as child sex offence arrest

Postby sniper_m4 » Sat Apr 23, 2016 9:27 am

As I posted before. I contacted the embassy yesterday. I asked about the story. The guy at the embassy was suprised by it and said the embassy was contacted by other entities asking about the story. The embassy guy said he told them it was a false story and apologized to me. Thats all I know. .so from what I understand the embassy never talked to the media. And contacts I have in khmer immigration told me they are no longer talking to the media or passing info to them. So someone screwd up.
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