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Unfortunately, TheRaven seems to have only made tourist experiences. I remember very well when my first landlord (a great Cambodian lady who now happily moved to the States) asked me "what I am doing in Cambodia", with a look of disbelief of how I could leave Europe for a place like her home. At that time I didn't understand what she meant, now I do.
Would you tell me what you think about my point of "growing up in a fucked up society fucks you up"?
And P.S., there is a difference between pluralistic and non-pluralistic societies when it comes to the accuracy of generalizations. Don't you think?
Would you tell me what you think about my point of "growing up in a fucked up society fucks you up"?
And P.S., there is a difference between pluralistic and non-pluralistic societies when it comes to the accuracy of generalizations. Don't you think?
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You were a Khmer Rouge combatant?TheRaven wrote: I was always in tune with the genocide as a teenager.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
I can understand how you feel that way, as I often get fed up with dealing with Cambodians on an everyday basis and vent my anger here. However, I' m trying my best to understand where people come from, why what is happening is happening.cambodianredneck wrote:I already know what you think, its pretty obvious you hate cambodians but go about showing your hate through passive aggressive, vague and cowardly behaviour like a typical japanese. If you wanna be racist don't make excuses like a pussy just go out and say that cambodians are terrible like the rest of the racists in this thread. You are always having indirect jabs at cambodians any time you get you coward. If you want to play the game of generalisation I can play that game to you racist jap cuntAE86 wrote:I'm actually going to side with RBD on this one. After having dealt with numerous business people here I would say a majority of rich (bigly rich, not middle class rich) are piece of shit scumbags. It's the exception rather than the norm to find some high up respectable super rich Khmer, but yes I know they exist as I've met them. They're few and far between though, no surprise, the system is set up for those kinds of people to remain on top.
On the other hand, I know a large amount of westerners who are really decent and nice people, and of course a few bits of dross as well, but instead of 5% good 95% crap like it is here, I say it's more like 85% decent and 15% crap, very broad generalisation.
I won't however stop my criticism of the actions of Cambodians because I see much improvement to be made. I don't hate the people, but I hate a lot of their actions, which admittedly isn't their fault.
Before you result to name calling and throwing a hissy fit the though, you might want to stop your own racist tendencies like generalising all Japanese as passive aggressive cunts or whites as paedophiles.
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I think he means A minor.Lucky Lucan wrote:You were a Khmer Rouge combatant?TheRaven wrote: I was always in tune with the genocide as a teenager.
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AE86 wrote:I can understand how you feel that way, as I often get fed up with dealing with Cambodians on an everyday basis and vent my anger here. However, I' m trying my best to understand where people come from, why what is happening is happening.cambodianredneck wrote:I already know what you think, its pretty obvious you hate cambodians but go about showing your hate through passive aggressive, vague and cowardly behaviour like a typical japanese. If you wanna be racist don't make excuses like a pussy just go out and say that cambodians are terrible like the rest of the racists in this thread. You are always having indirect jabs at cambodians any time you get you coward. If you want to play the game of generalisation I can play that game to you racist jap cuntAE86 wrote:I'm actually going to side with RBD on this one. After having dealt with numerous business people here I would say a majority of rich (bigly rich, not middle class rich) are piece of shit scumbags. It's the exception rather than the norm to find some high up respectable super rich Khmer, but yes I know they exist as I've met them. They're few and far between though, no surprise, the system is set up for those kinds of people to remain on top.
On the other hand, I know a large amount of westerners who are really decent and nice people, and of course a few bits of dross as well, but instead of 5% good 95% crap like it is here, I say it's more like 85% decent and 15% crap, very broad generalisation.
I won't however stop my criticism of the actions of Cambodians because I see much improvement to be made. I don't hate the people, but I hate a lot of their actions, which admittedly isn't their fault.
Before you result to name calling and throwing a hissy fit the though, you might want to stop your own racist tendencies like generalising all Japanese as passive aggressive cunts or whites as paedophiles.
oh trying to take the high ground oh the irony. Calling me out for stereotyping japanese and whites but complicit in stereotyping khmers. Not one time did i see you call out people stereotyping khmers in this thread, yet once i say something about whites and japanese you advise me to stop? LMAO. Your bias is stronger than you think
On what planet are you trying to argue from? That's been my entire stance against Wendy and her generalisation of Asiatics where I was then called out on by Gavinmac and also admitted that I was at fault to in the past. Did you even read the thread?cambodianredneck wrote: Not one time did i see you call out people stereotyping khmers in this thread...
wendyaspinall wrote:...Many or most of those Asians are extremely selfish and most of them don't care for us foreigners while they exploit and profit from us foreigners.
Therefore it is best to have very little to do with them and spend as little as possible in their corrupt, worthless, selfish, demanding conniving Asiatic hellhole.
They don't want us foreigners around except to enrich their Asiatic coffers. Their
Asiatic megalomania often also end up with those various Asiatics factions fighting among themselves for a bigger pie after they chased away any of us who they deemed as outsiders...***On and on***
AE86 wrote:...Wendy, if you are a genuine poster (my last response to your posts), just realise that you have a lot to learn and that you can not paint an entire group of people based on your experiences alone...
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Currently dealing with the Cambodian legal system (or perhaps I should say illegal system) at a reasonably high level. 'Ethically challenged' multiplied by a factor of 10 - and in a way that affects the lives of other people terribly. That's not a stereotype, that's a fact. Come back after you have had similar contact and we can talk.cambodianredneck wrote:RBD wrote:Don't disagree about many rich people being greedy - which is why I think your statement that it might be less of a problem if Cambodia in general got richer may not be true. In fact, the problem might become worse.
In any case, rather than 'greedy' I would say the correct expression is 'ethically challenged in their dealings with other people' (eg. trying to flee when there is an accident (people say it's because they might be beaten up That's rubbish - its because they don't want to face the consequences) etc. etc.)
But that's a stereotype right? I'm sure you can find many anecdotes to support your assertions, but that doesn't make it true for all cambodians. I can find countless cases of drunkard, rude, violent, drug using, paedophiles westerners, does that make all white males "ethically challenged" ? Or is it different? I see alot of casting stones from expats but not a lot of self introspection.
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They're definitely Klingons from UranusMarvin wrote:I agree with RBD...the rich people here are from a different planet period!
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RBD wrote:Currently dealing with the Cambodian legal system (or perhaps I should say illegal system) at a reasonably high level. 'Ethically challenged' multiplied by a factor of 10 - and in a way that affects the lives of other people terribly. That's not a stereotype, that's a fact. Come back after you have had similar contact and we can talk.cambodianredneck wrote:RBD wrote:Don't disagree about many rich people being greedy - which is why I think your statement that it might be less of a problem if Cambodia in general got richer may not be true. In fact, the problem might become worse.
In any case, rather than 'greedy' I would say the correct expression is 'ethically challenged in their dealings with other people' (eg. trying to flee when there is an accident (people say it's because they might be beaten up That's rubbish - its because they don't want to face the consequences) etc. etc.)
But that's a stereotype right? I'm sure you can find many anecdotes to support your assertions, but that doesn't make it true for all cambodians. I can find countless cases of drunkard, rude, violent, drug using, paedophiles westerners, does that make all white males "ethically challenged" ? Or is it different? I see alot of casting stones from expats but not a lot of self introspection.
that is the legal system of cambodia that is the issue. Rich people will do what the system allows. Rich people in western countries also are ethically challenged, they sell out their own people by lobbying against their interest through government. Look at Gina rinehart and the mining magnates in Australia. The Rudd government wanted to push legislation to put an extra tax on miners and the miners in retaliation threatened to take away operations overseas claiming that it would increase costs. The miners effectively blackmailed the government.
Another example corporates lobbying for increased immigration to lower wages which have the flow on effect of increasing prices and lowering living standards.
More examples: America regularly goes to war for the profit of corporates and private interests: Is this not unethical? Going to war in Iraq on false pretext's and killing millions of innocent lives? Yet rich white people are not as greedy as rich cambodians? Difference is rich white people are more covert about their corruption and shiftiness and use the media and government lobbying to do their deeds (correction rich cambos do this too). Their is a reason the top 1% is getting richer and income equality is increasing in most western countries, it is because rich people are getting their way. Again I will reiterate rich people will do what they can get away with and they are increasingly getting away with more and more. Also how many people were prosecuted for causing the financial crisis of 2008 which effected the livelihood of billions of lives? was that not greed that caused it? So again how are RICH CAMBODIANS MORE GREEDY AND ETHICALLY CHALLENGED THAN THE SUPER RICH WHITE MAN? Pretty similar just living under a different set of rules to play by
I know what you're saying and I'm not disagreeing here, I just think it's important to separate the "Top 1%" from the top .00001%, the accomplished vs. the ultra rich, millionaires vs. multi millionaires & billionaires.
i.e. In America, the Top 1% includes people like medical doctors, senior engineers, medium sized business owners, etc, whereas the ultra rich top .00001% are ones who have incomprehensible amounts of wealth who can leverage deals and buy influence and effectively control the system. These are the The George Soros, Walton Family, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Donald Trump, Warren Buffet types, etc, you get the idea.
Just to give you an idea if the scale of wealth, if someone were to give you a dollar every second, you would be a millionaire in 12 days. To become a billionaire, it would take 31 years.
Don't make the mistake of categorising the Top 1% in the same group as the ultra rich elites as so many do.
i.e. In America, the Top 1% includes people like medical doctors, senior engineers, medium sized business owners, etc, whereas the ultra rich top .00001% are ones who have incomprehensible amounts of wealth who can leverage deals and buy influence and effectively control the system. These are the The George Soros, Walton Family, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Donald Trump, Warren Buffet types, etc, you get the idea.
Just to give you an idea if the scale of wealth, if someone were to give you a dollar every second, you would be a millionaire in 12 days. To become a billionaire, it would take 31 years.
Don't make the mistake of categorising the Top 1% in the same group as the ultra rich elites as so many do.
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It does seem more prominent within Khmer society to have a greater status than the one they rub shoulders with.
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Cambodianredneck - kindly leave AE86 out of the racial attacks. Even in Japan, he isn't socially treated as a full Japanese anymore because he's left the country for so long. Somewhere above halfs. His home isn't Japan anyways.
Sure the institutions and government is lax in the KOW, but isn't that one the big reasons expats settle? Freedom to chose one's own course in life without a nanny state?
As for all this dross about 'the rich', the government chose winners and losers during the last financial crisis. The government chose who to save (i.e., determined to big to allow to fail - sometimes because of labor unions) and those to let go under.
I think no one would begrudge those who are rich because they took chances and risked all on an idea or a dream.
It's those that manipulate the system to gain wealth and power - monopolies, kleptocracies, plutocracies, etc. that bothers me.
Sure the institutions and government is lax in the KOW, but isn't that one the big reasons expats settle? Freedom to chose one's own course in life without a nanny state?
As for all this dross about 'the rich', the government chose winners and losers during the last financial crisis. The government chose who to save (i.e., determined to big to allow to fail - sometimes because of labor unions) and those to let go under.
I think no one would begrudge those who are rich because they took chances and risked all on an idea or a dream.
It's those that manipulate the system to gain wealth and power - monopolies, kleptocracies, plutocracies, etc. that bothers me.
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AE86 wrote:I know what you're saying and I'm not disagreeing here, I just think it's important to separate the "Top 1%" from the top .00001%, the accomplished vs. the ultra rich, millionaires vs. multi millionaires & billionaires.
i.e. In America, the Top 1% includes people like medical doctors, senior engineers, medium sized business owners, etc, whereas the ultra rich top .00001% are ones who have incomprehensible amounts of wealth who can leverage deals and buy influence and effectively control the system. These are the The George Soros, Walton Family, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Donald Trump, Warren Buffet types, etc, you get the idea.
Just to give you an idea if the scale of wealth, if someone were to give you a dollar every second, you would be a millionaire in 12 days. To become a billionaire, it would take 31 years.
Don't make the mistake of categorising the Top 1% in the same group as the ultra rich elites as so many do.
but that top 0000.1% are white though aren't they? That is what I am comparing, whites and khmers (since everyone is generalising i am too). I'm not going to omit them just because they are the top 0000.1%, they are still white (yes I know soros and many others are jews but they are predominantly european in genes). You see when talking about whites they have the privilege of being seen as diverse and as a plural and even broken up into small pieces as 0000.1%, but when people talk about khmers it is just one big lump and people fail to do the same. You know that most of the rich cambodians are Sino khmers, viet khmers and mixed khmers? Kith meng (chinese), Sok anh (khmer chinese viet), Ly Yong Phat (chinese), Mong Reththy( chinese cambo), Sy Kong Triv (chinese or maybe viet descendent), Kok An (chinese or viet), Sok Kong ( vietnamese), Lao Meng Khin & Yeay Phu (chinese), Lim Chhiv Ho (chinese), Pung Kheav Se (chinese). I'm not going to go into detail into the aforementioned but you see where i am heading with this. Even huge chunks of the middle class in phnom penh are vietnamese and chinese descendants. So should i start sterotyping ethnic viets and chinese too? Stereotyping and generalising whole groups as "greedy", "immoral" is what caused the khmer rouge to turn on the other section of society
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