American Mark Alan Vandewater (from Florida!) arrested for extortion
That's quite a serious accusation. If you're going to make that accusation you better be damn sure of your case especially as you have revealed your true identity so casually. You might want to lawyer up. I would be expecting to hear from plaintiff lawyers soon.
Edit to add: ahhhh. You live in Shitsville. That explains your carelessness. You can't legislate for stupidity.
Edit to add: ahhhh. You live in Shitsville. That explains your carelessness. You can't legislate for stupidity.
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I couldn't give a fuck about the plight of Vandewater, he sounds like a right cunt. He got himself into this shit by pulling the tigers tail.JohnSmith wrote:Without the financial element it is a civil case, not a criminal one. In a civil case the plaintiff could sue for damages, and that is about the extent of it. I am not defending Vandewater, I personally consider his actions a shit move, but if we went around locking up people for the odd shit move as opposed to crimes, the streets would be empty. The story I am trying to draw attention to though, is not whether Vandewater is, or is not a shitbag, but to the fact that Martin Desautels, the managing partner for DFDL fabricated evidence and is keeping a non criminal in prison over a civil matter.
I don't give a fuck about the lawyer either, he's probably a sleazy, shitbag cunt. He's a lawyer, so it's a given. I don't know if he has fabricated anything or not but it wouldn't surprise me if he decided to defend himself robustly against a blackmailer who was threatening to leverage evidence of a peccadillo and/or demanding money.
What are you going to say? The defence against the blackmail was more immoral or illegal than the actual blackmail itself? That's what you seem to be "trying to draw attention to". That won't be squeezing my sympathy gland.
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"Your honor, my client couldn't have committed the crime, because he was found by the police."JohnSmith wrote: If this had been an extortion racket, Desautels would have never found Vandewater, but the latter was not hiding since what he was doing was not illegal.
"Your honor, my client could not have committed this crime, because he had money."Thida also borrowed 30k off Vandewater to redo the front of The Office, suggesting Vandewater is not in need for money and now Thida and Terry don't have to pay the debt.
These are bad arguments, man.
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Vandewater was attempting to get this girl "Lyna" out of a hard life of prostitution at "the office" bar. The owner of said bar "Thida", who also happens to be Lyna's aunty must have seen Vandewater as an easy target so they both sold him this story of desperate poverty and attempting to escape this dark industry. For a period of about 3 months, Vandewater was giving Lyna roughly 10000 USD a month, in an attempt to sort out her family situation. On top of that, he lent Thida 30000 USD to do up the bar. It is important to state at this point that at no time did Vandewater have sex or even a romantic relationship with any of the people involved.
Vandewater started to notice a regular client that Lyna had been involved with for over a year by the name of Martin Desautels, managing partner at DFDL. She had managed to keep this discreet for the prior three months, as Martin Desautels only works in the PP office five days a month, and during those three months Vandewater had been away for periods and not coincided with him.
The explanation from Thida and Lyna was that this was a very powerful customer, not to be messed with, and that although the didn't like him there was nothing that could be done. Vandewater hired a Vietnamese detective to find out if Martin had a wife in Saigon. The detective came back with an affirmative and her exact address, where she lives with her two children, and where Martin spends most of the month. Vandewater was offered images from the bars cctv to pressure Martin into cutting all ties with the bar. This is exactly what he did, with an anonymous letter, telling him to cut all ties with Lyna, or he would inform the wife, and also his company, DFDL.
Martin, realizing he did not have enough to go to the police, using the foundations that had already been laid by Vandewater, turned it into a criminal extortion case by switching the demand to a fee of 10000 USD, aided by Thida and Lyna who knew Vandewater's address, and would, among other things, not have to ever return the 30000 USD they had borrowed from him.
Attached is a link of the cctv images provided by Terry and Lyna from The Office showing Desautels and Lyna. At the bottom of the page you will also find evidence of the money transfer Vandewater made to Thida.
Vandewater started to notice a regular client that Lyna had been involved with for over a year by the name of Martin Desautels, managing partner at DFDL. She had managed to keep this discreet for the prior three months, as Martin Desautels only works in the PP office five days a month, and during those three months Vandewater had been away for periods and not coincided with him.
The explanation from Thida and Lyna was that this was a very powerful customer, not to be messed with, and that although the didn't like him there was nothing that could be done. Vandewater hired a Vietnamese detective to find out if Martin had a wife in Saigon. The detective came back with an affirmative and her exact address, where she lives with her two children, and where Martin spends most of the month. Vandewater was offered images from the bars cctv to pressure Martin into cutting all ties with the bar. This is exactly what he did, with an anonymous letter, telling him to cut all ties with Lyna, or he would inform the wife, and also his company, DFDL.
Martin, realizing he did not have enough to go to the police, using the foundations that had already been laid by Vandewater, turned it into a criminal extortion case by switching the demand to a fee of 10000 USD, aided by Thida and Lyna who knew Vandewater's address, and would, among other things, not have to ever return the 30000 USD they had borrowed from him.
Attached is a link of the cctv images provided by Terry and Lyna from The Office showing Desautels and Lyna. At the bottom of the page you will also find evidence of the money transfer Vandewater made to Thida.
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What is your factual basis for saying that Desautels fabricated the claim of a $10,000 demand? How did he fabricate that? Did he forge Vandewater's handwriting on a letter demanding the money? Did he clone Vandewater's phone and send himself a text? Tell me physically how he fabricated the evidence.JohnSmith wrote:Vandewater was attempting to get this girl "Lyna" out of a hard life of prostitution at "the office" bar. The owner of said bar "Thida", who also happens to be Lyna's aunty must have seen Vandewater as an easy target so they both sold him this story of desperate poverty and attempting to escape this dark industry. For a period of about 3 months, Vandewater was giving Lyna roughly 10000 USD a month, in an attempt to sort out her family situation. On top of that, he lent Thida 30000 USD to do up the bar. It is important to state at this point that at no time did Vandewater have sex or even a romantic relationship with any of the people involved.
Vandewater started to notice a regular client that Lyna had been involved with for over a year by the name of Martin Desautels, managing partner at DFDL. She had managed to keep this discreet for the prior three months, as Martin Desautels only works in the PP office five days a month, and during those three months Vandewater had been away for periods and not coincided with him.
The explanation from Thida and Lyna was that this was a very powerful customer, not to be messed with, and that although the didn't like him there was nothing that could be done. Vandewater hired a Vietnamese detective to find out if Martin had a wife in Saigon. The detective came back with an affirmative and her exact address, where she lives with her two children, and where Martin spends most of the month. Vandewater was offered images from the bars cctv to pressure Martin into cutting all ties with the bar. This is exactly what he did, with an anonymous letter, telling him to cut all ties with Lyna, or he would inform the wife, and also his company, DFDL.
Martin, realizing he did not have enough to go to the police, using the foundations that had already been laid by Vandewater, turned it into a criminal extortion case by switching the demand to a fee of 10000 USD, aided by Thida and Lyna who knew Vandewater's address, and would, among other things, not have to ever return the 30000 USD they had borrowed from him.
Attached is a link of the cctv images provided by Terry and Lyna from The Office showing Desautels and Lyna. At the bottom of the page you will also find evidence of the money transfer Vandewater made to Thida.
How do you now Desautel's not telling the truth and that Vandewater isn't lying and claiming "frame up" to try to save himself from a lengthy prison term?
Did Desautels confess to you that he framed Vandewater?
Or is this just "Well, I'm friends with Vandewater and I believe him when he says he never sent a financial demand."
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$10,000 mth! I'd be a bar girl for that
Couldn't really understand the whole story, OP might want to break it down a bit more clearly, and use paragraphs, and no, I'm not an English teacher
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Let me to explain something to you. You're getting way too hung up on whether or not Vandewater demanded money.JohnSmith wrote:Vandewater was offered images from the bars cctv to pressure Martin into cutting all ties with the bar. This is exactly what he did, with an anonymous letter, telling him to cut all ties with Lyna, or he would inform the wife, and also his company, DFDL.
If the two sentences that you typed above are true, then Vandewater committed blackmail. If you tell someone "Do this for me or I will send your wife photos of you with a hooker," that's blackmail. It doesn't matter if he also demanded money.
Look at the Penal Code of Cambodia's definition of the crime of blackmail.
Subsection 2 of Article 372 says you commit blackmail if you obtain a "commitment or renunciation" "by means of threatening to disclose or to impute facts so as knowingly to ruin a person's honour or friendship."
That's what Vandewater did, according to you. He demanded a commitment from Desautels to cut all ties with Lyna or else he would disclose embarrassing facts to Desautels' wife and co-workers.
Blackmail, and attempted blackmail, are punishable by 2-5 years in prison. In addition, Article 374 says that if the blackmailer goes through with the disclosure and carries out the threat, then the penalty is 5-10 years in prison.
It seems to me that Vandewater attempted to blackmail Desautels, Desautels resisted that, and Vandewater is now carrying out the threat by disseminating the embarrassing CCTV photos and facts to his friends so that they may be spread online to harm Desautels.
You posts aren't helping Vandewater. You're establishing his guilt and his liability for a greatly enhanced sentence.
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From the name on that imgur account, it looks like the guy accusing Martin Desautels of fabricating criminal charges against Mark Vandewater is the same guy who accused Frenchman Yves Corre of rape back in April:Marmite wrote:If you are going to get involved in a pending criminal case, you might want to think twice about creating an imgur account using your real name. That's a classic dumb fuck move.
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... es#p870897
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Last night I received an email from DFDL containing the following:
Upon receipt I contacted DFDL to ask if they intended me to publish it so that posters would be aware their posts could form part of a criminal investigation. I received a reply from the firm's CEO to say he would "come back to me more fully on my emails".
I asked the question because it seemed to me them sending that to me alone was pointless, yet at the same time the covering email was marked Private And Confidential and I didnt want to break their confidence. I decided to wait until this morning UK time for their response. I received no response this morning, so I emailed their CEO again with the same question. Again no response.
However, thirty minutes ago I received another letter from their solicitors, a Mr Tann Meng Sroy and Sithisak Law Office. In it, Mr Tann wrote the following:
"The purpose of our Legal Notice dated 24 August 2017 (the "Notice") was to inform you that the information reported in the Khmer440 internet forum in relation to the Complaint constitute aggravating circumstances to a criminal offence. Anyone or any media facilitating the dissemination of that information is subject of a criminal investigation.
"Some of the posters in the Forum have clearly understood that releasing this information could trigger legal consequences. However, we note that you / Khmer440 have taken no steps to inform posters of that and therefore urge you to remove the discussion thread referred to above on that basis. At this point, registered users would understand that the contents of that discussion is clearly inflammatory and can be removed since it is subject to a criminal investigation. If this is not resolved, our Client will consider all legal aspects in order to file a complaint against the relevant persons including against yourself and Khmer440 as part of the existing proceedings for facilitating the commission of a criminal offense."
I have stayed out of this thread on purpose. My connection with DFDL is wellknown, and I happen to like the plaintiff in this case.
JohnSmith is on dodgy ground here, making some pretty outrageous accusations. Proving that someone spent some time in a bar with a girl and that some other guy sent money to a girl does not prove what he is alleging here.
Upon receipt I contacted DFDL to ask if they intended me to publish it so that posters would be aware their posts could form part of a criminal investigation. I received a reply from the firm's CEO to say he would "come back to me more fully on my emails".
I asked the question because it seemed to me them sending that to me alone was pointless, yet at the same time the covering email was marked Private And Confidential and I didnt want to break their confidence. I decided to wait until this morning UK time for their response. I received no response this morning, so I emailed their CEO again with the same question. Again no response.
However, thirty minutes ago I received another letter from their solicitors, a Mr Tann Meng Sroy and Sithisak Law Office. In it, Mr Tann wrote the following:
"The purpose of our Legal Notice dated 24 August 2017 (the "Notice") was to inform you that the information reported in the Khmer440 internet forum in relation to the Complaint constitute aggravating circumstances to a criminal offence. Anyone or any media facilitating the dissemination of that information is subject of a criminal investigation.
"Some of the posters in the Forum have clearly understood that releasing this information could trigger legal consequences. However, we note that you / Khmer440 have taken no steps to inform posters of that and therefore urge you to remove the discussion thread referred to above on that basis. At this point, registered users would understand that the contents of that discussion is clearly inflammatory and can be removed since it is subject to a criminal investigation. If this is not resolved, our Client will consider all legal aspects in order to file a complaint against the relevant persons including against yourself and Khmer440 as part of the existing proceedings for facilitating the commission of a criminal offense."
I have stayed out of this thread on purpose. My connection with DFDL is wellknown, and I happen to like the plaintiff in this case.
JohnSmith is on dodgy ground here, making some pretty outrageous accusations. Proving that someone spent some time in a bar with a girl and that some other guy sent money to a girl does not prove what he is alleging here.
What exactly are the criminal allegations made against what is posted in this thread? I thought the current case is civil, and I also think defamation is a civil matter.
I would like to politely inform those who threaten 440 with legal action about the Streisand effect. Trying to censor information online backfires every time. The cat is out of the bag. It was posted on Cambodia Expats Online and it was not until weeks later that it has now been published here. Prior to that it was a topic of bar conversation.
I sincerely have no intention of disrupting an ongoing court case, nor do I believe I have said anything about it. I am not a lawyer, but I don't believe that filing court cases against the owners of 440 or those who post here will have the intended effect. The cat is out of the bag, so to speak. It is unfortunate, and I suppose it is part of the blackmailing which the case is about.
My point is that trying to censor information already made public, albeit under highly questionable circumstances, will not help to dampen the attention this case has already received.
I sincerely hope that those involved find justice, but I do not believe that carrying out the actions quoted by scobienz will have the intended result. 440 does not have the power to prevent this from spreading. It has been indexed and cached by Google et al. I understand the intention, but frankly, and unfortunately, at this point it is not reversable, with or without the co-operation of 440 owners.
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I would like to politely inform those who threaten 440 with legal action about the Streisand effect. Trying to censor information online backfires every time. The cat is out of the bag. It was posted on Cambodia Expats Online and it was not until weeks later that it has now been published here. Prior to that it was a topic of bar conversation.
I sincerely have no intention of disrupting an ongoing court case, nor do I believe I have said anything about it. I am not a lawyer, but I don't believe that filing court cases against the owners of 440 or those who post here will have the intended effect. The cat is out of the bag, so to speak. It is unfortunate, and I suppose it is part of the blackmailing which the case is about.
My point is that trying to censor information already made public, albeit under highly questionable circumstances, will not help to dampen the attention this case has already received.
I sincerely hope that those involved find justice, but I do not believe that carrying out the actions quoted by scobienz will have the intended result. 440 does not have the power to prevent this from spreading. It has been indexed and cached by Google et al. I understand the intention, but frankly, and unfortunately, at this point it is not reversable, with or without the co-operation of 440 owners.
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