You're right, there was an argument about it around 2006 and later it seems it was moved to Criminal Code 2009.LaudJohn wrote:I may well be wrong but I though it was a criminal matter in the KOW.
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Post by Lucky Lucan » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:26 pm
scobienz wrote:
JohnSmith is on dodgy ground here, making some pretty outrageous accusations. Proving that someone spent some time in a bar with a girl and that some other guy sent money to a girl does not prove what he is alleging here.
Post by bipolar bear » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:02 pm
I already tried to point that out to him but he seems to think that blackmail that doesn't involve money isn't really blackmail, it's just raffish, scallywag behaviour, all's fair in love and war stuff. That mug was white knighting those two whores, dumping tens of thousands of dollars on them and then getting royally fucked by them when they teamed up with the so-called enemy to stab him in the back. It was the only fucking he got, apparently, as according to Smith, that Wandewater mug didn't even get his dick wet even once.gavinmac wrote:Let me to explain something to you. You're getting way too hung up on whether or not Vandewater demanded money.JohnSmith wrote:Vandewater was offered images from the bars cctv to pressure Martin into cutting all ties with the bar. This is exactly what he did, with an anonymous letter, telling him to cut all ties with Lyna, or he would inform the wife, and also his company, DFDL.
If the two sentences that you typed above are true, then Vandewater committed blackmail. If you tell someone "Do this for me or I will send your wife photos of you with a hooker," that's blackmail. It doesn't matter if he also demanded money.
Look at the Penal Code of Cambodia's definition of the crime of blackmail.
Subsection 2 of Article 372 says you commit blackmail if you obtain a "commitment or renunciation" "by means of threatening to disclose or to impute facts so as knowingly to ruin a person's honour or friendship."
That's what Vandewater did, according to you. He demanded a commitment from Desautels to cut all ties with Lyna or else he would disclose embarrassing facts to Desautels' wife and co-workers.
Blackmail, and attempted blackmail, are punishable by 2-5 years in prison. In addition, Article 374 says that if the blackmailer goes through with the disclosure and carries out the threat, then the penalty is 5-10 years in prison.
It seems to me that Vandewater attempted to blackmail Desautels, Desautels resisted that, and Vandewater is now carrying out the threat by disseminating the embarrassing CCTV photos and facts to his friends so that they may be spread online to harm Desautels.
You posts aren't helping Vandewater. You're establishing his guilt and his liability for a greatly enhanced sentence.
Post by gavinmac » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:06 pm
Wait, how did the whores team up with the enemy to stab him in the back? He tried to extort the lawyer, the lawyer had him arrested. I don't see how the whores were involved with him being arrested or prosecuted.bipolar bear wrote:That mug was white knighting those two whores, dumping tens of thousands of dollars on them and then getting royally fucked by them when they teamed up with the so-called enemy to stab him in the back.
Post by bipolar bear » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:12 pm
gavinmac wrote:Wait, how did the whores team up with the enemy to stab him in the back? He tried to extort the lawyer, the lawyer had him arrested. I don't see how the whores were involved with him being arrested or prosecuted.bipolar bear wrote:That mug was white knighting those two whores, dumping tens of thousands of dollars on them and then getting royally fucked by them when they teamed up with the so-called enemy to stab him in the back.
He supposedly sent the letter to the lawyer anonymously. Somebody ratted him out and when you couple that with the highly plausible assertion, above, I'd say it was the whores and the lawyer in a pincer movement.Martin, realizing he did not have enough to go to the police, using the foundations that had already been laid by Vandewater, turned it into a criminal extortion case by switching the demand to a fee of 10000 USD, aided by Thida and Lyna who knew Vandewater's address, and would, among other things, not have to ever return the 30000 USD they had borrowed from him.
Post by gavinmac » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:32 pm
I don't think so. I might have missed part of JohnSmith's ramblings, but his story doesn't make a lot of sense. On the one hand, he claims the girls liked Vandewater and didn't like the lawyer, but then when the lawyer gets Vandewater arrested, JohnSmith jumps to the conclusion that the girls must have been behind this. I don't see how Vandewater getting arrested forever absolves the girls of any duty to repay the "loans." I would also suggest that many lawyers are capable of tracking down people who are extorting them without requesting help from bargirls.Loogan wrote:Gavvy, are you losing your edge?
Post by Joon » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:28 am
Apparently, Terry is co-owner of The Office with Thida: http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... ry#p893986Loogan wrote:"now Thida and Terry don't have to pay the debt."
Just kidding Gavvy, I found the story a little hard to follow as well. Who is Terry?
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