Marmite. Let's assume the mother is a complete nutter. Let's assume she schooled them to win custody. She could be a child abuser for all we know.
He had a reason to keep this daughter from the mother. He sent the other back. He phoned the authorities to say he was keeping the one child.
Let's assume I am right. I am not saying I am, but let's assume the wife was beating on this daughter. Is it responsible to send her back?
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You're an idiot.DF wrote:Marmite. Let's assume the mother is a complete nutter. Let's assume she schooled them to win custody. She could be a child abuser for all we know.
He had a reason to keep this daughter from the mother. He sent the other back. He phoned the authorities to say he was keeping the one child.
Let's assume I am right. I am not saying I am, but let's assume the wife was beating on this daughter. Is it responsible to send her back?
Let's assume your weak hypothesis is right. Is it responsible to send the other child back to the beater?
I have experienced one child of three siblings being beaten systematically by a mother. Perhaps the other child wished to return to the mother. Knowing she was not in danger, would it be responsible of the father to keep that child from it's mother. No. It was the child's wish. The father knew there was no risk for that child.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:You're an idiot.DF wrote:Marmite. Let's assume the mother is a complete nutter. Let's assume she schooled them to win custody. She could be a child abuser for all we know.
He had a reason to keep this daughter from the mother. He sent the other back. He phoned the authorities to say he was keeping the one child.
Let's assume I am right. I am not saying I am, but let's assume the wife was beating on this daughter. Is it responsible to send her back?
Let's assume your weak hypothesis is right. Is it responsible to send the other child back to the beater?
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DF wrote:Marmite. Let's assume the mother is a complete nutter. Let's assume she schooled them to win custody. She could be a child abuser for all we know.
He had a reason to keep this daughter from the mother. He sent the other back. He phoned the authorities to say he was keeping the one child.
Let's assume I am right. I am not saying I am, but let's assume the wife was beating on this daughter. Is it responsible to send her back?
There are a lot of assumptions there, most of them bordering on quite preposterous. "She could be a child abuser for all we know" - where the hell did that come from?
Here is what we know. He was on the run from law enforcement around the world for over two years. Such was his case known then when he had to take his boat in for repairs, the Indonesian authorities knew enough about him to detain him, and return the girl to her mother where she remained for the rest of her childhood.
Why do men on expat forums want so desperately to believe that the guys in these cases are the ones who are wronged? Are there personal stories coming into play here? I strongly suspect so.
So let's not assume you're right. Because your assumptions mean nothing. Let's deal with the facts as reported without constructing a whole alternative narrative.
You sound like Gin n Tonic.
It is so easy to fabricate a story. That is what psychopaths are best at.
Don't judge the truth on a one sided account.
Don't judge the truth on a one sided account.
DF wrote:It is so easy to fabricate a story. That is what psychopaths are best at.
Don't judge the truth on a one sided story.
It's not a one-sided story. It is a story that has been backed up by courts and the international justice system.
YOU are the one fabricating a story out of thin air.
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It's not really a one-sided account. Of course we don't know all the details. However we do know that they had some sort of joint-custody arrangement. This would point to some sort of agreement between the parents, and that he wasn't being refused contact with his children. There is no indication that either parent was abuseful. He broke the law by absconding with his daughter. The laws are in place to protect the interests of the child, and neither parent is allowed to break those laws by running off across to the other side of the world.
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Come on Marmite. In any court case, one party is lying.
The mother has possession of the children. She forces them to lie i court. They are 10 years old, and under her influence. He loses.
She is a complete psycho. He can't accept it. Happens every day.
Just because she and the children said it in court, doesn't mean it is gospel.
He was cheated of justice, and wanted a new case. I am sure.
If not. Then he would perhaps of gone his own way.
The mother has possession of the children. She forces them to lie i court. They are 10 years old, and under her influence. He loses.
She is a complete psycho. He can't accept it. Happens every day.
Just because she and the children said it in court, doesn't mean it is gospel.
He was cheated of justice, and wanted a new case. I am sure.
If not. Then he would perhaps of gone his own way.
Get real Marmite. People are forced to lie in court every day of the year- even in the west.Marmite wrote:DF wrote:It is so easy to fabricate a story. That is what pschopaths are best at.
Don't judge the truth on a one sided story.
It's not a one-sided story. It is a story that has been backed up by courts and the international justice system.
YOU are the one fabricating a story out of thin air.
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Did you even read the background story? He had possession of the children at the time:DF wrote:
The mother has possession of the children. She forces them to lie i court. They are 10 years old, and under her influence. He loses.
She is a complete psycho. He can't accept it. Happens every day.
Just because she and the children said it in court, doesn't mean it is gospel.
He was cheated of justice, and wanted a new case. I am sure.
If not. Then he would perhaps of gone his own way.
The youngster was taken away days after she and her elder sister Rachael flew to France to stay with their father and Miss Carter under access arrangements decided by a court. While Rachael flew home unexpectedly after a few days, Mr Cameron headed for the Far East with his younger daughter and contacted the Children’s Panel in Scotland to say he would not be handing her back.
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DF wrote:Come on Marmite. In any court case, one party is lying.
The mother has possession of the children. She forces them to lie i court. They are 10 years old, and under her influence. He loses.
She is a complete psycho. He can't accept it. Happens every day.
Just because she and the children said it in court, doesn't mean it is gospel.
He was cheated of justice, and wanted a new case. I am sure.
If not. Then he would perhaps of gone his own way.
You must have form in this area, otherwise you wouldn't make blanket statements like 'she is a complete psycho' with no evidence whatsoever. You don't seek new trials by going on the run for over 2 years.
The Scotland Mail article suggests the daugher returned and lived uneventfully for the rest of her childhood. There is no evidence of abuse with any of the girls, either the one who was taken or the one left behind. And now the girl is talking about having to live like a pirate as she remembers those days far from fondly. They look like a typically well-adjusted family unit.
Meanwhile, Cameron spends his declining years as a tefler in Phnom Penh before throwing himself off a sixth story building. But, yeah, I guess she is the pyscho.
Don't agree. Daughter won't go home to dad because he sexually abused her last weekend. Sorry darling, but the court says i have to deliver you to him every other weekend.Lucky Lucan wrote:It's not really a one-sided account. Of course we don't know all the details. However we do know that they had some sort of joint-custody arrangement. This would point to some sort of agreement between the parents, and that he wasn't being refused contact with his children. There is no indication that either parent was abuseful. He broke the law by absconding with his daughter. The laws are in place to protect the interests of the child, and neither parent is allowed to break those laws by running off across to the other side of the world.
Parental rights and protection have veto.
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To be fair who wouldn't want to be abducted from Scotland to go sailing on a yacht around the Indonesian islands for a year living like a pirate.
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The creepy thing is that he had two daughters close in age and also had a son and he only abducted the younger daughter. Sent the other kids back to the mother.
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