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How many NGOs are there in the UK and what percentage of the workforce work for them? Now compare those figures with Cambodia. I don't think anyone denies that some NGOs do good work, the problem is that there are way too many of them and in most cases, they're taking away responsibility from the government. It was fine 15-20 years ago when the government had zero capabilities, but it's time to move on.
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That’s fair. But it’s not what other posters were saying.LexusSchmexus wrote:How many NGOs are there in the UK and what percentage of the workforce work for them? Now compare those figures with Cambodia. I don't think anyone denies that some NGOs do good work, the problem is that there are way too many of them and in most cases, they're taking away responsibility from the government. It was fine 15-20 years ago when the government had zero capabilities, but it's time to move on.
My issue was with the absolute statements that ‘NGOs needed to get out’ & the ridiculous ‘NGOs killed more people than AIDS’
They aren’t the great Satan. But certainly aren’t perfect.
Taking responsibility away from the government is the key point.
NGOs are doing it because gov isn’t.
Gov isn’t doing it because NGOs are.
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Good point, something I always wondered about but never got down that tight!ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: Taking responsibility away from the government is the key point.
NGOs are doing it because gov isn’t.
Gov isn’t doing it because NGOs are.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
NGO's can sometimes be political stalking horses for foreign government agitprop.
A certain recently closed newspaper that operated as an NGO springs to mind.
Historically, many NGO's have provided cover for agitprop agents globally.
The media is particularly subject to this style of operation.
A certain recently closed newspaper that operated as an NGO springs to mind.
Historically, many NGO's have provided cover for agitprop agents globally.
The media is particularly subject to this style of operation.
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The issue as I see it is.Lucky Lucan wrote:Good point, something I always wondered about but never got down that tight!ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote: Taking responsibility away from the government is the key point.
NGOs are doing it because gov isn’t.
Gov isn’t doing it because NGOs are.
NGOs need to step back and there will be temporary (hopefully) pain due to the lack of services until the gov steps up (if they even will). However NGOs (generally) aren’t hard nosed enough to step back and initiate this period of difficulty.
Gov is hard hearted enough to cause extended pain and clever enough to deflect blame.
See HE a couple of days ago taunting USA
‘Stop the aid and the children die’
So we’re in a bit of a catch 22.
And let's not get started on the role of the CIA https://goo.gl/TpnoydTaa Moan wrote:NGO's can sometimes be political stalking horses for foreign government agitprop.
A certain recently closed newspaper that operated as an NGO springs to mind.
Historically, many NGO's have provided cover for agitprop agents globally.
The media is particularly subject to this style of operation.
The narrative that has and is being weaved by the Gov at the moment is exactly this.
Run that through Google translate if you need (Headline is 'The CIA an Institution with More Power than the Whitehouse') but there are enough English names of organisations for you to get the drift. You'll also notice that the current situation in Zimbabwe is attributed to CIA involvement.
If I had that time or energy I would be translate some other articles. They are becoming increasingly bizarre, and also directly referring to western foreigners meddling in Cambodian politics.
The front page headline on Koh Santepheap today is "Leader of Government: Foreigners Should Not Interfere in Cambodian Politics"
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‘Stop the aid and the children die’
strangely enough the children were surviving for centuries before the NGO epidemic.
what you mean to say is ‘Stop the aid and the NGOs die’ and you being an NGO sycophant, that is your primary concern if not total concern
strangely enough the children were surviving for centuries before the NGO epidemic.
what you mean to say is ‘Stop the aid and the NGOs die’ and you being an NGO sycophant, that is your primary concern if not total concern
no replying to those who misinterpret/misread what i write. this aint kindergarten
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I think you need to study infant mortality rates over the past couple of centuries.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
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It’s not my quote dummy. I generally don’t quote myself within my own posts.sociopath wrote:‘Stop the aid and the children die’
strangely enough the children were surviving for centuries before the NGO epidemic.
what you mean to say is ‘Stop the aid and the NGOs die’ and you being an NGO sycophant, that is your primary concern if not total concern
It came from the big man. I didn’t say I supported his comment. Try again.
http://m.phnompenhpost.com/national/cam ... p-decision
were talking now about a far more affluent, health, rice exporting Cambodia than have ever existed in the pastLucky Lucan wrote:I think you need to study infant mortality rates over the past couple of centuries.
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The quote in that link, (and in the Khmer sources) isផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:It’s not my quote dummy. I generally don’t quote myself within my own posts.sociopath wrote:‘Stop the aid and the children die’
strangely enough the children were surviving for centuries before the NGO epidemic.
what you mean to say is ‘Stop the aid and the NGOs die’ and you being an NGO sycophant, that is your primary concern if not total concern
It came from the big man. I didn’t say I supported his comment. Try again.
http://m.phnompenhpost.com/national/cam ... p-decision
“You could not even overthrow me, so now you join to kill democracy in Cambodia . . . When aid is cut, all domestic NGOs will die. Go ahead and kill your children."
The first part of that quote is another theme the Khmer press are playing: Foreigners are saying Cambodia has fallen into outright 1-party dictatorship but in fact the (future) presence of small parties in the NA prove that Cambodia is a healthy, multi-party democracy:
"វត្តមានបក្សជាច្រើនក្នុងរដ្ឋសភាខាងមុខគឺជាការបញ្ជាក់ពីភាពរស់រវើកនៃលទ្ធិប្រជាធិបតេយ្យសេរីពហុបក្ស មិនមែនជាប្រទេសឯកបក្សដូចអ្វីដែលជនបរទេសស្រឡាញ់ខ្មែរជាងខ្មែរមួយចំនួន លើកឡើងនោះ
The presence of many political parties in the NA in the future proves that democracy is alive and well in Cambodia, and not a single party state like that which some foreigners who love Cambodia more than Cambodians claim."
https://goo.gl/sJyvTp
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That depends how you define NGO in the western context - I suspect it should include charitable organisations also. If you accept that, then the numbers are huge. In 2009 there were 170,000 charities in the UK, up from 100,000 just fifteen years earlier. That figure will likely be higher now: you can't walk down a UK high street but be struck by the number of charity shops that exist. They are quite literally everywhere, often with 3-4 competing with each other side by side.LexusSchmexus wrote:How many NGOs are there in the UK and what percentage of the workforce work for them? Now compare those figures with Cambodia. I don't think anyone denies that some NGOs do good work, the problem is that there are way too many of them and in most cases, they're taking away responsibility from the government. It was fine 15-20 years ago when the government had zero capabilities, but it's time to move on.
Again in 2009 then charities generated £26bn income and had assets worth £66bn. They employed 600,000 people in a paid capacity, and were estimated to have a 1.2m volunteer workforce. That was in 2009, before the worst of the economic downturn hit home.
Hardly a neglible part of the economy by any measure.
yaar but how many people have they killed?Northern Monkey wrote:That depends how you define NGO in the western context - I suspect it should include charitable organisations also. If you accept that, then the numbers are huge. In 2009 there were 170,000 charities in the UK, up from 100,000 just fifteen years earlier. That figure will likely be higher now: you can't walk down a UK high street but be struck by the number of charity shops that exist. They are quite literally everywhere, often with 3-4 competing with each other side by side.LexusSchmexus wrote:How many NGOs are there in the UK and what percentage of the workforce work for them? Now compare those figures with Cambodia. I don't think anyone denies that some NGOs do good work, the problem is that there are way too many of them and in most cases, they're taking away responsibility from the government. It was fine 15-20 years ago when the government had zero capabilities, but it's time to move on.
Again in 2009 then charities generated £26bn income and had assets worth £66bn. They employed 600,000 people in a paid capacity, and were estimated to have a 1.2m volunteer workforce. That was in 2009, before the worst of the economic downturn hit home.
Hardly a neglible part of the economy by any measure.
no replying to those who misinterpret/misread what i write. this aint kindergarten
how responsible are they for brexit?
how responsible are they for the Zimbabweans kicking the brexits out?
how responsible are they for the Zimbabweans kicking the brexits out?
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