No time to reply now, but thank you for a well worded post that will induce some external and internal debate.violet wrote:I sincerely hope the management will allow this thread to stand and will allow it to stand in Khmer440's Speakeasy "This is a free speech zone where you can discuss and debate everything Cambodia related." this forum is Cambodia related.
Please read through and then do what I fail to do, but what all emotionally sound people achieve... walk away for a few minutes, do something else, and then come back and see if you still want to respond as you may initially have been motivated to ...if you do, go ahead.
This is not meant to be a dig at the way the forum is being run, but it is honest feedback and an honest restatement of observations and questions that have already been made by myself and others but not been addressed. I hope it prompts some self reflection by the owners.
There have been an increasing number of bans and edited posts when the 440 team has not liked the tone of a post. At times recently I've found myself whole heartedly agreeing with posts by others. I'll copy a few of them here.
Edwardo wrote:Why....why.,....WHY on GOD'S GREEN EARTH would you not want this lunkhead to continue posting again? Are you actively seeking to eliminate page views? Fucking hell you admin lot are dumb. Unless the wacko is making some valid points you want to hide. Maybe CEO can pick up on it. Might as well give them the few posters you have left here.GregoryMichaelBlake wrote:Nobody here with American / British Chambers of Commerce i see. Everybody knows this now.
(mod edit) The good Dr has been given a break until his meth high has subsided.
the tech problem reported by a poster here...
http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... hp?t=62130
... that received the response from Migs that it was a strange complaint (which seems to imply it is not being taken seriously and in stead is being dismissed as a wind up ... seems to imply, and taken that way by others not only me).
... and prompted this response on the other forum by GM, and I have circled the points that resonated strongly with me.Miguelito wrote:If you posted this two months ago when we were dealing with the DDoS attacks and we had to up our counter measures I would understand it, but now, it seems a strange complaint. As logos said, hopefully you can just reset your browser and things will be ok. It’s also good to click the “always log in” box when signing in.
Members are being told that what they want on the forum is not ok. A forum.... "medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged"
The ideas and views of the people who post here... are being shut down by two people.
You are driving away the ones who are posting.... but we are not appearing to see their numbers being replaced as you had hoped. Why buy a forum only to chase off the posters? That is what you are doing with the 'small and hopefully unnoticeable changes' Migs has made since buying the forum. You have probably stated that you are just ridding the forum of the ones who stop all the others from posting. Correct me if I am wrong. There has been no upturn in posting figures. Any attempted discussion or complaint is shut down/deleted or edited and posters are banned. That smacks of dictatorship, where two people are deciding for an entire forum (granted we are probably down to 16 readers by now ... he he he... humour) what can and cannot be spoken about.
When any voice against the management is quietened, people stop talking altogether. Some people won't speak honestly because they don't want to be banned, or because they are simply tired of the battle to have their voice heard. It might not be voices you like to listen to, but they are the only voices you had and they were voice enough for years. Dissent increases. Management clamps down further. There is no opposing voice. Management comes to believe they were right all along.
I can understand Migs and TTM wanting something different for the forum. I can understand them hoping to attract a different crowd. However, I'm finding the choices of management and the messages being relayed here a little like the type the country might receive...
we are doing what is best for you. leave it to those of us who know what we are doing to make the decisions - you don't need to understand why; in fact you aren't capable of understanding. you prove it with all your complaints. we are doing this to make the forum you post on a better place for you. you can't possibly know what you want or what is best for you. you'll see, you'll thank us if you'll only give us a chance. <<< artistic liberty taken.
Times have indeed changed. Forums have been replaced by other forms of social media. There is sound competition from another forum now. K440 needed a shakeup.... not a shake so violent as to dislodge all remaining posters though. Listen to the people who still post here... they are telling you the truth... the forum is dying and two of the owners have heavily contributed to its rapid recent decline. To fail to hear that and accept that will not help the situation. It has been stated before (I don't recall if it was offline or online) that it may not be possible for K440 to recover in any form. That is a very real concern that should be looked at in the cold light of day. I am not sure anyone can breathe life back into a forum where all the posters have been pushed to the other forum, and where there really is slim chance of there being any sizeable crowd of people pushing in from behind the stage to assume position.
Perhaps if there was some work going on behind the scenes to have the forum somehow partially fill the socks of Cambodia Daily, then there may be hope.
Can we have an open discussion of people's grievances that does not result in people throwing toys out of prams and spitting dummies (bans and deletions)?
It may be that no one cares to comment anymore. Many are self-banning themselves... me too (yes, again) after a recent ban of a poster who replied in traditional (tongue in cheek rude) style to a post by GMB (I think it was).
K440 was hated and loved. People really did hate to love it and love to hate it. The two main owners have failed to grasp that and have not understood the banter of people from different cultures. For goodness sake, I have misunderstood it myself for years until recently. But what is life if all we have is what we know and are comfortable with? This forum was unique ... very unique. Almost every one of the people who made it that way no longer posts here. Why buy something to destroy it, without voicing the vision you have for it and bringing people along with you in your vision?
Do you have a vision? Or is the only vision you had to stop what was and hope that something else came along to fill the gap ... without really understanding how that would happen?
Or was your vision simply to shut down K440?
Yes, I complain about actions taken. Quite frankly I always have, but before I was in a minority of complainers. Now I seem to be among a chorus.
Parallels betwen running the forum and running a country
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I'll admit ^ that surprised me.
I have woken up with a Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens in my head... opening paragraph:
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way - in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.
We might think of what is happening with the two forums as a Tale of Two Forums, one quite bleak and the other jolly in springtime.
The two forums (countries) are being run quite differently. Some noticeable differences have already been mentioned. To expand on that, we have one nation of posters who freely visit other forums and post opinions. While on the other hand members of this forum are monitored for what they say even when off forum, and what they say while visiting another forum can lead to their banishment from this forum.
On this forum we have known sock puppets and grassers of sock puppets, directly and indirectly. Who can you trust to keep your 'secrets'? You drink with people and are friendly with them, and then ... bam... there they are declaring that you are still posting on the forum under assumed names.
There are very good reasons to want to post under an unknown identify. It isn't for no reason that people are saying be careful what you post on Facebook and other social media. It isn't for no reason that potential employers search for an applicant online to see what their online footprint is like. It isn't for no reason that existing employers include in contracts that employees speaking ill about them online face harsh disciplinary action and being fired. People voice controversial opinions, and they should have the freedom to do that without all and sundry gossiping about who they are in real life.
Sure the likes of Alexandra can find out if they need to, or companies can pay for someone like Alexandra to find out. Sure forum management can find out even though they declare they can't. But minimising risk is a good thing. Keep the potential group of those in the know small.
That's one thing this forum has always been shit about... the previous owner outed me (edit: KiR). It's always been my biggest gripe. Have I asked others who various posters are or what username a person has on the forum? yes. Have I also had people out of the blue declare someone is xyz poster when I had no care or inkling if they posted on the forum? yes. Have I shared who posters are? yes... usually unthinkingly, and then given myself a hard time for doing it afterwards. Have I been introduced to people as violet without checking with me if that is ok? yes. Have I had people use the name violet in public and on FB without thinking if I am ok with that? yes. I don't hide violet anymore, because I was outed by the owner. However, I would like to make some comments with anonymity if possible, and to be involved in trying to stop a billionaire paedophile hiding out in Cambodia without then fearing repercussions. And I would like some degree of control over who knows for sure I am violet. I posted some stupid stuff over the years. Unthinkingly. Now I'm wiser, I'd like to be able to post under a different name that isn't then spread around as being me. I have opinions. What's the good of a mind if no one ever shares what's going on inside of it? So, I choose to share. I rarely share any deep thinking on here because people know who I am and it may come back to bite me. This is exactly why many others do not post on here. Each one of us who has ever mentioned the name of a poster to another person has played a part in people posting less on here.
In the past I was very put out by the number of sock puppets used on the forum. That was mostly because a lot of, what I thought of as, nonsense posts were created by many of them just to stir up discussion. Sometimes they seemed deliberately to align with real lives of other posters. I found that deliberately malicious.
All members of this forum need to think about their responsibilities with a person's identity online. Yes, we each have responsibility to protect our own identity, but where someone becomes aware of an identity, it does not then become their information to share. Some posters choose to freely say they are xyz. If they do, I guess that information becomes free unless they ask you not to repeat it.
tl:dr ? ... too bad. Go read a tweet in stead.
I have woken up with a Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens in my head... opening paragraph:
It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way - in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.
We might think of what is happening with the two forums as a Tale of Two Forums, one quite bleak and the other jolly in springtime.
The two forums (countries) are being run quite differently. Some noticeable differences have already been mentioned. To expand on that, we have one nation of posters who freely visit other forums and post opinions. While on the other hand members of this forum are monitored for what they say even when off forum, and what they say while visiting another forum can lead to their banishment from this forum.
On this forum we have known sock puppets and grassers of sock puppets, directly and indirectly. Who can you trust to keep your 'secrets'? You drink with people and are friendly with them, and then ... bam... there they are declaring that you are still posting on the forum under assumed names.
There are very good reasons to want to post under an unknown identify. It isn't for no reason that people are saying be careful what you post on Facebook and other social media. It isn't for no reason that potential employers search for an applicant online to see what their online footprint is like. It isn't for no reason that existing employers include in contracts that employees speaking ill about them online face harsh disciplinary action and being fired. People voice controversial opinions, and they should have the freedom to do that without all and sundry gossiping about who they are in real life.
Sure the likes of Alexandra can find out if they need to, or companies can pay for someone like Alexandra to find out. Sure forum management can find out even though they declare they can't. But minimising risk is a good thing. Keep the potential group of those in the know small.
That's one thing this forum has always been shit about... the previous owner outed me (edit: KiR). It's always been my biggest gripe. Have I asked others who various posters are or what username a person has on the forum? yes. Have I also had people out of the blue declare someone is xyz poster when I had no care or inkling if they posted on the forum? yes. Have I shared who posters are? yes... usually unthinkingly, and then given myself a hard time for doing it afterwards. Have I been introduced to people as violet without checking with me if that is ok? yes. Have I had people use the name violet in public and on FB without thinking if I am ok with that? yes. I don't hide violet anymore, because I was outed by the owner. However, I would like to make some comments with anonymity if possible, and to be involved in trying to stop a billionaire paedophile hiding out in Cambodia without then fearing repercussions. And I would like some degree of control over who knows for sure I am violet. I posted some stupid stuff over the years. Unthinkingly. Now I'm wiser, I'd like to be able to post under a different name that isn't then spread around as being me. I have opinions. What's the good of a mind if no one ever shares what's going on inside of it? So, I choose to share. I rarely share any deep thinking on here because people know who I am and it may come back to bite me. This is exactly why many others do not post on here. Each one of us who has ever mentioned the name of a poster to another person has played a part in people posting less on here.
In the past I was very put out by the number of sock puppets used on the forum. That was mostly because a lot of, what I thought of as, nonsense posts were created by many of them just to stir up discussion. Sometimes they seemed deliberately to align with real lives of other posters. I found that deliberately malicious.
All members of this forum need to think about their responsibilities with a person's identity online. Yes, we each have responsibility to protect our own identity, but where someone becomes aware of an identity, it does not then become their information to share. Some posters choose to freely say they are xyz. If they do, I guess that information becomes free unless they ask you not to repeat it.
tl:dr ? ... too bad. Go read a tweet in stead.
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I will have no choice but to launch my own forum if the endless bickering and drama continues here. I also won't sell your information to the Armenian intelligence services.
If phuketrichard posted a link to Miguelito's LinkedIn page, I think it is reasonable to ban him. Doxxing ain't cool.
If phuketrichard posted a link to Miguelito's LinkedIn page, I think it is reasonable to ban him. Doxxing ain't cool.
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Correct. It isn't ok. As stated in a good part of my last post.Harold wrote:I will have no choice but to launch my own forum if the endless bickering and drama continues here. I also won't sell your information to the Armenian intelligence services.
If phuketrichard posted a link to Miguelito's LinkedIn page, I think it is reasonable to ban him. Doxxing ain't cool.
A poor example on my part but something to ponder perhaps... where are the boundaries? Will there be (have there been) other times when posters might be banned on this forum because of comments on another?
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I honestly don't understand what the fuss is all about. When I first heard that Miguelito had bought the forum, I was hesitant to post because he and I have had so many disputes in the past and because I vehemently disagree with his political views, even more so than with the political views of someone like scobienz. But he has been a much more fair and impartial administrator than scobienz ever was and he has tolerated me much more than scobienz ever did. His great crime seems to be that he decided to forbid users from using racial epithets like "nagger" and in my opinion that is a very good idea and it is one reason why I don't use the term "cracker" or hate on the white man nearly as much as I did a couple of years ago.violet wrote:Correct. It isn't ok. As stated in a good part of my last post.Harold wrote:I will have no choice but to launch my own forum if the endless bickering and drama continues here. I also won't sell your information to the Armenian intelligence services.
If phuketrichard posted a link to Miguelito's LinkedIn page, I think it is reasonable to ban him. Doxxing ain't cool.
A poor example on my part but something to ponder perhaps... where are the boundaries? Will there be (have there been) other times when posters might be banned on this forum because of comments on another?
Although Miguelito probably should've been more kind to the poster who was troubleshooting.
Harold wrote:But he has been a much more fair and impartial administrator than scobienz ever was and he has tolerated me much more than scobienz ever did. His great crime seems to be that he decided to forbid users from using racial epithets like "nagger" and in my opinion that is a very good idea
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Thank you for the kind support Harold. In many ways I see things like you do, and I don't get all the hate now. I think I've been very impartial, and just because you and I see the world differently doesn't mean I'm going to delete your comments or anything. But then I take a step back and see that the complaints normally come from the same few individuals.
First off, I'll try to quickly address the example given, and the response on TOF, of me not being helpful with a tech issue. I am not the world's most savvy tech guy, and that's why I have a tech guy that helps me. A user made one specific complaint, that myself nor the other mods had seen. I simply suggested a few quick things to check to fix it, and then presumed if the issue kept up he would post "yea, I tried those things, the problem is still here", and we'd be able to investigate further. I think that's a reasonable response from me. If admin on other forums offer a technical help hotline or a customer service number, good for them, but I don't have the resources for that.
For modding, I do surprisingly little. I very rarely delete posts, ban users, or edit posts (very infrequently). Most of the 'modding' consists of mundane tasks like approving new posts, resetting passwords, debating in the mod forum what to do about Gibbon, and sometimes telling users to stop their bickering. I certainly interfere less than the previous owner, and way less from the owner before that (from my understanding).
That being said, I am not the only one with Admin or Mod rights. Others make decisions that I don't agree with, but I understand. Sometimes decisions are made and I don't agree with, and I ask them to be changed. Case in point, as mentioned by Alexandra, auto changing 'scobienz' to what he changed it to. I guess it was meant to be a small joke that he didn't think anyone would notice for a while, but it was almost instantly noticed. When I noticed, I asked him politely to change it back, which he did. So, problem solved. All I can do is address those on a case by case basis.
For deleted messages, I have created a thread in the Mod forum for admin/mods to move deleted messages, so that the others of us can see the post, and that the post is saved if it's determined that it should not have been deleted. The first two posts I moved in there was one that attacked a poster out of nowhere by saying "are you gay? Not that there's anything wrong with being an overbearing wanker" after a simple question was asked. That shouldn't be allowed, and wasn't before I took over (the Q&A forum was heavily modded in the past). The second was a personal attack on a poster's appearance. The two other admin at first would have let it by, because it made them laugh. Joon, at the time, agreed with me, as did Scoffer (and in the thread "even Alexandra thought it was a cunt comment"). I told the poster "that it wasn't cool to come out of nowhere with a comment about the poster like that, and I deleted it." At first he defended it but wasn't upset I removed it, and then a few hours later he messaged me: "Upon reflection I believe you were correct in removing my post. Fair play"
Now, I think that I got that one right, but that doesn't mean every decision is right, or that everyone will agree. The point is, we had a debate about it, and moved forward. Unfortunately, that still doesn't happen every time, but it's something to work on.
As for editing posts, that should not be the general policy, but if it must happen there should be a clear explanation why, and it should be shown that it was edited. Alexandra has a grievance with the TTM over this from a year ago. After that action I believe that TTM apologized to him and the apology was accepted. Now that I've taken over I don't know why Alexandra is talking as if this is a very common occurrence.
The biggest modding decisions I've made have been to not allow blatant racist attacks on posters. That seems to have offended some people in and of itself. We've discussed this at length elsewhere, it should be clear.
Take a look back in the Sound Off forum. For as long as the forum has existed people have been complaining about it, and have been predicting doomsday. I don't know what golden age a few posters want the forum to be brought back to, as I can't see one that was perfect. The facts are that traffic is currently at very high numbers, so I'm not worried. One of Phuket's complaints was that there aren't as many old posters around any more, and too many newbies. Well I hope that posters haven't been "driven away", this is just a fact that will continue: after 15 years many expats have moved on or died, and more are coming, and are younger, and are signing up and posting here. To me, that shows a bright future. I'm sorry that not everyone has first hand experience here since the '60's, but it's cool to see both the city changing and more people getting involved.
First off, I'll try to quickly address the example given, and the response on TOF, of me not being helpful with a tech issue. I am not the world's most savvy tech guy, and that's why I have a tech guy that helps me. A user made one specific complaint, that myself nor the other mods had seen. I simply suggested a few quick things to check to fix it, and then presumed if the issue kept up he would post "yea, I tried those things, the problem is still here", and we'd be able to investigate further. I think that's a reasonable response from me. If admin on other forums offer a technical help hotline or a customer service number, good for them, but I don't have the resources for that.
For modding, I do surprisingly little. I very rarely delete posts, ban users, or edit posts (very infrequently). Most of the 'modding' consists of mundane tasks like approving new posts, resetting passwords, debating in the mod forum what to do about Gibbon, and sometimes telling users to stop their bickering. I certainly interfere less than the previous owner, and way less from the owner before that (from my understanding).
That being said, I am not the only one with Admin or Mod rights. Others make decisions that I don't agree with, but I understand. Sometimes decisions are made and I don't agree with, and I ask them to be changed. Case in point, as mentioned by Alexandra, auto changing 'scobienz' to what he changed it to. I guess it was meant to be a small joke that he didn't think anyone would notice for a while, but it was almost instantly noticed. When I noticed, I asked him politely to change it back, which he did. So, problem solved. All I can do is address those on a case by case basis.
For deleted messages, I have created a thread in the Mod forum for admin/mods to move deleted messages, so that the others of us can see the post, and that the post is saved if it's determined that it should not have been deleted. The first two posts I moved in there was one that attacked a poster out of nowhere by saying "are you gay? Not that there's anything wrong with being an overbearing wanker" after a simple question was asked. That shouldn't be allowed, and wasn't before I took over (the Q&A forum was heavily modded in the past). The second was a personal attack on a poster's appearance. The two other admin at first would have let it by, because it made them laugh. Joon, at the time, agreed with me, as did Scoffer (and in the thread "even Alexandra thought it was a cunt comment"). I told the poster "that it wasn't cool to come out of nowhere with a comment about the poster like that, and I deleted it." At first he defended it but wasn't upset I removed it, and then a few hours later he messaged me: "Upon reflection I believe you were correct in removing my post. Fair play"
Now, I think that I got that one right, but that doesn't mean every decision is right, or that everyone will agree. The point is, we had a debate about it, and moved forward. Unfortunately, that still doesn't happen every time, but it's something to work on.
As for editing posts, that should not be the general policy, but if it must happen there should be a clear explanation why, and it should be shown that it was edited. Alexandra has a grievance with the TTM over this from a year ago. After that action I believe that TTM apologized to him and the apology was accepted. Now that I've taken over I don't know why Alexandra is talking as if this is a very common occurrence.
The biggest modding decisions I've made have been to not allow blatant racist attacks on posters. That seems to have offended some people in and of itself. We've discussed this at length elsewhere, it should be clear.
Take a look back in the Sound Off forum. For as long as the forum has existed people have been complaining about it, and have been predicting doomsday. I don't know what golden age a few posters want the forum to be brought back to, as I can't see one that was perfect. The facts are that traffic is currently at very high numbers, so I'm not worried. One of Phuket's complaints was that there aren't as many old posters around any more, and too many newbies. Well I hope that posters haven't been "driven away", this is just a fact that will continue: after 15 years many expats have moved on or died, and more are coming, and are younger, and are signing up and posting here. To me, that shows a bright future. I'm sorry that not everyone has first hand experience here since the '60's, but it's cool to see both the city changing and more people getting involved.
TTM making bad decisions is a common occurrence. Editing posts was just one example. Other examples include but are not limited to:Miguelito wrote:As for editing posts, that should not be the general policy, but if it must happen there should be a clear explanation why, and it should be shown that it was edited. Alexandra has a grievance with the TTM over this from a year ago. After that action I believe that TTM apologized to him and the apology was accepted. Now that I've taken over I don't know why Alexandra is talking as if this is a very common occurrence.
1) Arguing about nonsense with previous owners of 440 OTOF
2) Posting 440 users' personal information OTOF
3) Making big deals about previous owners' socks only to create socks attacking previous owners
4) Using socks to make homophobic comments, which you then banned his sock for and acted as if it wasn't TTM
5) Banning users of 440 for posts made OTOF despite them having already been modded by mods OTOF
6) Censoring names of previous 440 owners
It's clear scobienz held TTM on a short leash. It's clear you don't. There's a clear trend of TTM making bad decisions. I think that's hurting the forum. Many things TTM does for a laugh makes him come off as a total fool. Perhaps he should take his practical jokes elsewhere.
Do you think FridaF wants to continue posting after that thread? Seriously WTF was that. You should read it again. http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... 8&p=914211
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I haven’t read past ‘all the hate’. There is no hate of people. Why would a person bother if they hated?
Now i will read the rest.
Now i will read the rest.
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Violet,
When was the last time you got any then mate?
When was the last time you got any then mate?
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I find some of TTM's moderating decisions questionable but well, his name is in red, he can make any rules needed, abide or leave.
As Miguelito said :
I like both forums because they're different and each owners have their own visions of the path to follow.
As for Phuket, he really outed Migs and that's not cool at all. The ban is deserved.
The question, though, is : would he have been banned the same if it was someone else that've been outed ?
My two cents,
As Miguelito said :
I couldn't agree more with that. (but well, you know, people are always "it was better before")Take a look back in the Sound Off forum. For as long as the forum has existed people have been complaining about it, and have been predicting doomsday. I don't know what golden age a few posters want the forum to be brought back to, as I can't see one that was perfect. The facts are that traffic is currently at very high numbers, so I'm not worried. One of Phuket's complaints was that there aren't as many old posters around any more, and too many newbies. Well I hope that posters haven't been "driven away", this is just a fact that will continue: after 15 years many expats have moved on or died, and more are coming, and are younger, and are signing up and posting here. To me, that shows a bright future. I'm sorry that not everyone has first hand experience here since the '60's, but it's cool to see both the city changing and more people getting involved.
I like both forums because they're different and each owners have their own visions of the path to follow.
As for Phuket, he really outed Migs and that's not cool at all. The ban is deserved.
The question, though, is : would he have been banned the same if it was someone else that've been outed ?
My two cents,
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Why? Do I make you horny? Are you offering?spitthedog wrote:Violet,
When was the last time you got any then mate?
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...violet wrote:Why? Do I make you horny? Are you offering?spitthedog wrote:Violet,
When was the last time you got any then mate?
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Enough is enough, bless. Yeah, back in 2016 I probably edited out a drunken post of his that was particularly stupid. I wouldn't do it again not only because it was a bad idea, but mostly because he demonstrated ad vomitum his stupidity and crass bad faith are big enough to stand by themselves.Alexandra wrote:TTM making bad decisions is a common occurrence. Editing posts was just one example. Other examples include but are not limited to:Miguelito wrote:As for editing posts, that should not be the general policy, but if it must happen there should be a clear explanation why, and it should be shown that it was edited. Alexandra has a grievance with the TTM over this from a year ago. After that action I believe that TTM apologized to him and the apology was accepted. Now that I've taken over I don't know why Alexandra is talking as if this is a very common occurrence.
1) Arguing about nonsense with previous owners of 440 OTOF
2) Posting 440 users' personal information OTOF
3) Making big deals about previous owners' socks only to create socks attacking previous owners
4) Using socks to make homophobic comments, which you then banned his sock for and acted as if it wasn't TTM
5) Banning users of 440 for posts made OTOF despite them having already been modded by mods OTOF
6) Censoring names of previous 440 owners
It's clear scobienz held TTM on a short leash. It's clear you don't. There's a clear trend of TTM making bad decisions. I think that's hurting the forum. Many things TTM does for a laugh makes him come off as a total fool. Perhaps he should take his practical jokes elsewhere.
Do you think FridaF wants to continue posting after that thread? Seriously WTF was that. You should read it again. http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... 8&p=914211
That Alexandra guy might be a good techie, but apart from that he sounds more and more like a hysterical, obsessive nutjob and it's high time someone retorts to his nonsensical accusations for what they are.
His laughable 6 examples (2 of which appear to be the same btw) and the link he posted on the fridaF thread are evidence enough of his paranoid bad faith. The imbecile clearly still assumes I've got plenty of socks like scobienz, such as lorn malvo. Wrong. You know my 2 handles and it's been common knowledge. So why don't piss off with your nonsensical allegations and get a life, or fuck off back to Scandinavia and get some real ice.
Oh dear what have I done now? Is that outing you, mentioning where you're from, and are you going to bitch about that as well for the next couple years , or are you the only one allowed to quote nationalities here, like you did no later than yesterday? If you're so sensitive about personal info you might want to reconsider your actions and not do it yourself every time you feel like it.
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