32 US embassy staff fired for underage porn

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Re: 32 US embassy staff fired for underage porn

Postby Miguelito » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:12 pm

Alexandra wrote:
violet wrote:Sounds like the Embassy had every right to do what they did.


I don't understand why this is surprising to anyone. It's incredibly difficult to side with somebody that's been fired for using embassy equipment to stare at nude kids for shits and giggles, or worse, pleasure.

Fuck those people, fuck their demonstration and fucking good luck suing the Embassy of Suing.


Indeed, I agree. But as GM pointed out, why doesn't the embassy just say that?

gavinmac wrote:Last year, six staffers at the US embassy in Kabul were fired for using or possessing drugs. The State Department confirmed it to the BBC:

The embassy said it took "seriously any incidents of misconduct by Department of State personnel and contractors".

"In this case six personnel who were found to have been using or in possession of prohibited substances were removed from their contracts and no longer work at the US embassy in Kabul."


The state department also confirmed that these six staffers were fired to AFP.

Canada confirmed in 2017 that it fired a dozen staffers at its embassy in Haiti following an investigation of financial fraud.

Why is the embassy in Cambodia covering up the 32 pornography sharing firings instead of just confirming the firings, condemning the behavior, etc.?
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Re: 32 US embassy staff fired for underage porn

Postby violet » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:16 pm

over the rainbow wrote:
violet wrote:I would be interested to know if it was one instance, with potentially passive recipients getting caught up in it, or if it was repeated behaviour


as the US embassy is considered American soil;
cant they do whatever they want to?
i'd be curious if its in their contracts that they and anything they bring to work, can be searched?



I'm not sure I understand. You will see from my other posts that I think the Embassy were without blame in their actions.

The post you quoted addresses a different matter. Anyone can start a FB Messenger group and send images to the people in that group. What if it were you or me who received the images as a member of that chat group, through no fault of our own. We were passive recipients. We would cease to be passive recipients if we remained in the group after receiving the first images and we did nothing to bring the behaviour to the attention of the correct authorities.

Do you understand? One time event with images sent by some cesspit to a group of people....some of whom may be like minded and some who the sender may have 'got wrong' and have no interest in them and think them to be wrong. We don't have the details to know if this was a one off, nor do we know the timeframe between the images being distributed and action being taken, and, therefore if someone innocent has been caught up among the scum.

I spoke of it out of interest and recognition that innocent people can get caught up in shit....not as any statement against actions taken by the Embassy.
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Re: 32 US embassy staff fired for underage porn

Postby tombraider » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:18 pm

over the rainbow wrote:
violet wrote:I would be interested to know if it was one instance, with potentially passive recipients getting caught up in it, or if it was repeated behaviour


as the US embassy is considered American soil;
cant they do whatever they want to?
i'd be curious if its in their contracts that they and anything they bring to work, can be searched?


It was on work time on Embassy land. they were probably all logged onto the work wifi to save them paying $1 for a weekly plan. As I heard this was all passed around all of them. Not one of them stood up to say "oi WTF are you sending that for don't send this shit to me" or even reporting it, they all shared it to each other in a group and kept sharing with lots of emoji's seemingly enjoying it.

Considering the amount of crap Khmers share online it doesn't surprise me. Legally I guess yes it is US Land, they may be on Khmer Contracts under Cambodia Labor Law but I'm sure everyone signed the relevant child protection and use of computer policies so they were no doubt contractually correct to immediately terminate their contracts.

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Re: 32 US embassy staff fired for underage porn

Postby violet » Wed Jun 20, 2018 4:20 pm

tombraider wrote:
over the rainbow wrote:
violet wrote:I would be interested to know if it was one instance, with potentially passive recipients getting caught up in it, or if it was repeated behaviour


as the US embassy is considered American soil;
cant they do whatever they want to?
i'd be curious if its in their contracts that they and anything they bring to work, can be searched?


It was on work time on Embassy land. they were probably all logged onto the work wifi to save them paying $1 for a weekly plan. As I heard this was all passed around all of them. Not one of them stood up to say "oi WTF are you sending that for don't send this shit to me" or even reporting it, they all shared it to each other in a group and kept sharing with lots of emoji's seemingly enjoying it.

Considering the amount of crap Khmers share online it doesn't surprise me. Legally I guess yes it is US Land, they may be on Khmer Contracts under Cambodia Labor Law but I'm sure everyone signed the relevant child protection and use of computer policies so they were no doubt contractually correct to immediately terminate their contracts.

Also - yeah what Alexandra said



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Re: 32 US embassy staff fired for underage porn

Postby Lucky Lucan » Wed Jun 20, 2018 9:07 pm

I've always been on the "fuck these guys" side. I don't understand how these muppets don't get it either. Checking out even ordinary porn on company time is a fire-able offense with many companies. Who the hell shares porn with their colleagues either? If I got sent even vanilla porn by someone I worked with I'd go straight around to tell them to stop that shit. There are some funny vids out there that may have obscene content but this is way beyond that. Using the company's equipment to share kiddy porn is appalling and also incredibly stupid. Parading around Wat Phnom with signs saying it wasn't fair that you got fired for sharing kiddy porn is just beyond my comprehension. Like Tombraider said, none of them complained at the time of "sharing".
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Re: 32 US embassy staff fired for underage porn

Postby Miguelito » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:02 am

I just talked with a former guard that knows most of those fired. First off, he said they broke the rules and deserved to be fired. He said that they were not embassy phones, and not even on embassy wifi, but did share the video during the day. Apparently they had the group, but then someone sent it to an American staff, and that's how the investigation got started. Some of the 32 are arguing that they were just in the group, but didn't view anything. It seems that a few are really upset because they had been there 18 or more years, and at 20 years you can move to the U.S., so there goes that plan.
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Re: 32 US embassy staff fired for underage porn

Postby Alexandra » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:52 pm

Miguelito wrote:they had been there 18 or more years, and at 20 years you can move to the U.S., so there goes that plan.


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Re: 32 US embassy staff fired for underage porn

Postby gavinmac » Wed Sep 26, 2018 12:09 am

Miguelito wrote:This thread is going to be a lot of fun in 12-18 months once GavinMac gets the FOIA info back from his inevtiable request on this.


I did send a FOIA request to the State Department in early May. Believe it or not, responsive documents have started to roll in, roughly 18 months earlier than I would have anticipated. And some of them are actually substantive and not just blank or blacked out pieces of paper.

In time, all of the pressing questions about this scandal will be answered.

But for now, I will point out that one of my key questions that I demanded answered when the story broke in April was actually addressed by Julia Wallace and Sun Narin in their coverage for VOA Cambodia back in June.

gavinmac wrote:Was this just a private chat with 32 members or an actual Facebook “group” ? If it was a group they should try to at least get the name of the group. Was it “Embassy Dudes Luv Teen Ass 4Eva”? Come on, at least give us the name.


According to the VOA article:

"A guard named Sarith, 45, told VOA Khmer that he started the chat group in July 2017. It was initially titled “US Embassy Security Guards,” but later cycled through several names, including “Security Guard Lothario,” the title of a popular Cambodian song about a guard who seduces another man’s girlfriend."
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