I believe that the OP knows the stated law, and was wondering if there was a way to "bypass it". The answer is, yes, as long as he doesn't walk into immigration and tell them he's HIV positive they will not know. And, for any treatment he needs, he should probably go back to Bangkok for it.Alexandra wrote:What are you talking about I would agree he would be fine? It's illegal to employ someone with contagious diseases. Work permits are not issued to people with contagious diseases. It is both illegal to work as HIV positive and employ someone that's HIV positive.
Sure, if we disregard all the facts and everything that the law says, OP will he fine. Also if we disregard physics, I can fly.
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Actually, I went to the Ministry of Labor 2 weeks ago to pass the mandatory health check-up for work permit: weight, height, arterial pressure AND a blood test (actually taking a drop of blood on the tip of my finger) were performed...Miguelito wrote:Have you ever heard of someone getting a blood test here for a work permit?Alexandra wrote:What do you disagree with? The law says very clearly that foreigners with contagious diseases may not be employed in Cambodia. It's not a matter of opinion.
A medical examination is required for a work permit application. You can bribe them to make it go away but again, not really a matter of opinion.
Go to the immigration department and tell them you're HIV positive and see what they offer you. I have seen it first hand but I guess you would disagree.
You have seen someone walk into the immigration department and tell them they are HIV positive?
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Yes, they're looking syphilis from your blood.Judge wrote:blood test (actually taking a drop of blood on the tip of my finger) were performed...Miguelito wrote:Have you ever heard of someone getting a blood test here for a work permit?
Pardon my engrish, thanks you.
What exact positive effect are you hoping to bring helping sick people hide their illness? Give it an extra minute. Where are these HIV positive English teachers going to work when you helped them bypass sensible laws that were put in place for pretty good reasons?Miguelito wrote:was wondering if there was a way to "bypass it". The answer is, yes
It's bad enough that schools don't do criminal background checks. HIV? Nice.
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This is 2019 and not 1989 -- perhaps I'm simply defending someone from ignorant views on the disease. As the OP stated, he's under treatment and the disease in his body is not communicable.Alexandra wrote:What exact positive effect are you hoping to bring helping sick people hide their illness? Give it an extra minute. Where are these HIV positive English teachers going to work when you helped them bypass sensible laws that were put in place for pretty good reasons?Miguelito wrote:was wondering if there was a way to "bypass it". The answer is, yes
It's bad enough that schools don't do criminal background checks. HIV? Nice.
He said nothing about being an English teacher, but he is perhaps the type of expat that we could use more of - someone with a good job in Bangkok that has been offered a job here, and is trying to make a professional assessment of the risks and liabilities of his actions.
But, I'm not trying to make any specific positive effect, just stating that he would be able to get a visa and work permit, as it stands, without an issue, and standing up against the bigotry against him.
Isnt' the OP worried about the cost or quality of the HIV meds available in Cambodia?
And just to be clear, although the modern HAART meds can make the virus undetectable in your blood, they do not eliminate the virus from the body, and not necessarily in sperm either. You MUST wear a condom for sex everytime always. And you MUST disclose your status to your potential partner beforehand so they can make an informed decision, despite the greatly reduce risk of exposure.
And just to be clear, although the modern HAART meds can make the virus undetectable in your blood, they do not eliminate the virus from the body, and not necessarily in sperm either. You MUST wear a condom for sex everytime always. And you MUST disclose your status to your potential partner beforehand so they can make an informed decision, despite the greatly reduce risk of exposure.
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Perhaps you're simply defending against bigotry. Perhaps you're aiding the next Amit Patel. Maybe Khmer440 can do a front page article about how to sneak into the country and get the necessary permits to work despite being HIV positive? The next Yem Chrin could be a Khmer440 import and you could take all the credit. Smash the bigotry!
and HIV. But in most cases they don't bother to actually perform the check.raendi wrote:Yes, they're looking syphilis from your blood.Judge wrote:blood test (actually taking a drop of blood on the tip of my finger) were performed...Miguelito wrote:Have you ever heard of someone getting a blood test here for a work permit?
But the times are changin'.
Maybe the OP can get away with it for a year, or two, or three, but the Cambodian government is tightening up everything. I did't care about a work permit until last year. The laws from Phnom Penh have even reached the remote outskirts of Cambodia, and more will follow. I can simply bribe the guy here and not have my medical check for my work permit, but I'm pretty sure in 2-3 years time that's no option anymore.
If I were the OP and I was doing fine in Thailand i would not take the risk. If they catch you you either have to cough up A LOT or you end up in the prison opposite the airport awaiting your exit.
It is true you would have to lie on the medical form, but worse things have been done and HIV is not a big deal.
Good luck OP.
Good luck OP.
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Alexandria is correct.
If you carry HIV, you can't get a work permit.
If you acquire one fraudulently, and are subsequently found to be a carrier there's a pretty good chance you die in prison.
And I was blood tested for my last WP also.
Sure, HIV isn't a death sentence anymore, if managed properly, but that isn't the question here.
If you carry HIV, you can't get a work permit.
If you acquire one fraudulently, and are subsequently found to be a carrier there's a pretty good chance you die in prison.
And I was blood tested for my last WP also.
Sure, HIV isn't a death sentence anymore, if managed properly, but that isn't the question here.
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That's a bit harsh, no? Wouldn't the individual just be deported?Jackal wrote: If you acquire one fraudulently, and are subsequently found to be a carrier there's a pretty good chance you die in prison.
At least Miguelito is willing to allow a discussion. scobienz banned me for simply stating that most people with HIV are dirty and for suggesting that HIV positive people be quarantined on an island.
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Please don't break the laws of the kingdom and please do not come to Cambodia. Cambodian society deserves better.
@OP
Please don't break the laws of the kingdom and please do not come to Cambodia. Cambodian society deserves better.
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Cambodia also deserves better than opinions based on ill-informed ideas and fears.Harold wrote:At least Miguelito is willing to allow a discussion. scobienz banned me for simply stating that most people with HIV are dirty and for suggesting that HIV positive people be quarantined on an island.
@OP
Please don't break the laws of the kingdom and please do not come to Cambodia. Cambodian society deserves better.
Harold, in the interests in understanding your stance further, are there other diseases you think are dirty and ought to be contained to their own island?
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