Should I get an online degree or a Cambodian one?
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Should I get an online degree or a Cambodian one?
I graduated from a Cambodian high school in 2018 and was planning on going abroad to study Computer Science. Due to some health reasons, I'd like to be home for at least a few more years. I found this (https://www.coursera.org/degrees/bache ... ce-london) online CS program from the University of London that seems appealing. Should I risk it with the online program or risk it with a Cambodian university?
Thanks!
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I know you said you didn't want to study abroad for health reasons but have you thought about RMIT (Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology) in Saigon?
Here's a link to their undergraduate courses
https://www.rmit.edu.vn/undergraduate-programs
I studied for my masters by distance and I found it difficult and not very rewarding, mainly due to the isolation. In my opinion you really need to be immersed in the whole university experience, especially as an undergrad.
Here's a link to their undergraduate courses
https://www.rmit.edu.vn/undergraduate-programs
I studied for my masters by distance and I found it difficult and not very rewarding, mainly due to the isolation. In my opinion you really need to be immersed in the whole university experience, especially as an undergrad.
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I have stumbled upon it before and checked it again after you mentioned it. It seems to have received mixed reviews from Vietnamese students themselves.
I checked mostly on Reddit and a few people said the degree would be worthless outside of Vietnam. One person said it's full of rich, spoiled Vietnamese kids. Plus Vietnam is not really known as a study abroad destination, so I think adjusting there might be a little difficult.
I was thinking about renting a place in one of the many co-working spaces here in Phnom Penh to do the online studying and work on personal projects. Do you think that'd help with the isolation in any way?
I checked mostly on Reddit and a few people said the degree would be worthless outside of Vietnam. One person said it's full of rich, spoiled Vietnamese kids. Plus Vietnam is not really known as a study abroad destination, so I think adjusting there might be a little difficult.
I was thinking about renting a place in one of the many co-working spaces here in Phnom Penh to do the online studying and work on personal projects. Do you think that'd help with the isolation in any way?
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Interesting. i did my MS distance ed. Lacked the direct communication, but the forum-like atmosphere helped to keep conversations going for days. I found it engaging and rewarding.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:55 pmI studied for my masters by distance and I found it difficult and not very rewarding, mainly due to the isolation.
Results may vary.
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@Marinaris
AUPP has no accreditation that I can find and they haven't responded to my email asking them if they're applying for accreditation anywhere. I've also heard a few not so good things about them. Plus I don't see a computer science major on their website, just an "Information Technology Management" one. (https://www.aupp.edu.kh/major-and-minor-programs/)
I'm not completely sure what this means. If someone could please elaborate, I'd really appreciate it.
AUPP has no accreditation that I can find and they haven't responded to my email asking them if they're applying for accreditation anywhere. I've also heard a few not so good things about them. Plus I don't see a computer science major on their website, just an "Information Technology Management" one. (https://www.aupp.edu.kh/major-and-minor-programs/)
I'm not completely sure what this means. If someone could please elaborate, I'd really appreciate it.
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IT/Computer Science isn't my field so your subject may be different.edibleToast wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:45 amI was thinking about renting a place in one of the many co-working spaces here in Phnom Penh to do the online studying and work on personal projects. Do you think that'd help with the isolation in any way?
Part of that isolation was the feeling that I was paying the same fees as on campus students but I didn't feel that I got the same value for my money.
I felt like I was teaching myself and then paying for someone just to grade my essay.
Have you questioned if you really need a degree to work in Computer Science? I imagine things change quickly in IT and the things you learn may already be out of date by the time you graduate.
Have you talked to professionals in the field about your goals?
Maybe the money you save on a degree could be spent on a start-up or something?
Hopefully someone who works in IT can give you more specific advice.
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I don't really have any reasons for why, as the way of the society are changing really fast, but I'd favor real uni instead of online degree anytime.
Did you look for Institute of Technology of Cambodia ?
There's not much option left
Did you look for Institute of Technology of Cambodia ?
There's not much option left
Looking at your wording of "computer science", you do seem to be more interested in the daily practical aspect to manage computers, IE the hardware. I don't think, you will find a "Science" dedicated to that, simply because that's not "Science".edibleToast wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:18 am@Marinaris
AUPP has no accreditation that I can find and they haven't responded to my email asking them if they're applying for accreditation anywhere. I've also heard a few not so good things about them. Plus I don't see a computer science major on their website, just an "Information Technology Management" one. (https://www.aupp.edu.kh/major-and-minor-programs/)
I'm not completely sure what this means. If someone could please elaborate, I'd really appreciate it.
The URL you give and linking further into:
https://www.aupp.edu.kh/bachelor-of-sci ... anagement/
Its "Major" gives a program, which might qualify as an entry level IT education. At a western university, the listed subjects would be covered in the first 2 years. As such, it is not up to a Bachelor level as recognized internationally. For Cambodian usage, it might be appropriate, of course depending on the depth of the tuition and quality of the exams. With this education level, you would end up in the smaller than 1% group of locals with a decent education.
So, if you plan to stay in Cambodia for the rest of your life, it might be about the best you can accomplish with local education.
IF you want to get up to a western education level, you'd better extend your current educational level (high school, probably) with a certificate which is recognized internationally. And then move on to western recognized university education. The more "bad" science education you receive, the more difficult it would be, to re-educate you into a proper science oriented person. It'll take you around 6 years to complete this process, provided you do have the capabilities.
FYI: Also in western countries, there are usually 2 levels of "university". One being the more practical approach, and the other, the "real science", for the more theoretical approach. What to do, depends on your capabilities and personal interests. The more "theoretical" approach, provided you do have the brains for that, do give you access to the "higher" and better paid jobs, based on your capabilities, instead of needing to bribe your way up.
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I applied and passed their entrance exam last year, but after asking around, I decided against going there.Did you look for Institute of Technology of Cambodia ?
There's not much option left
My original plan was to go to a U.S community college this year, work hard and get into a good uni, but as I said in my original post, I'd like to be home or at least near Cambodia for 1-2 more years. I'm thinking of studying in AUPP for 2 years and then transferring to a U.S college(not AUPP's 2 partners), but their lack of accreditation worries me a little. Do you think I should try this route?
Are you suggesting that I go back to high school at one of the proper international schools in Cambodia? I went to one of the fake "international" schools in Cambodia. It's not ISPP or Northbridge but some people from here have gone to Australian Uni and lower tier US colleges. I have asked American community colleges and I can apply with my current high school credentials. It costs about $20,000 a year to go to a U.S community college, which is more or less the same as ISPP and northbridge, so going back to get an international high school diploma just wouldn't make sense to me.IF you want to get up to a western education level, you'd better extend your current educational level (high school, probably) with a certificate which is recognized internationally. And then move on to western recognized university education. The more "bad" science education you receive, the more difficult it would be, to re-educate you into a proper science oriented person. It'll take you around 6 years to complete this process, provided you do have the capabilities.
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I guess I should've mentioned my goals in the original post. I do want to create my own startup in Cambodia. I feel like there're more opportunities here compared to the more competitive and saturated markets in developed countries.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:09 pmHave you questioned if you really need a degree to work in Computer Science? I imagine things change quickly in IT and the things you learn may already be out of date by the time you graduate.
Have you talked to professionals in the field about your goals?
Maybe the money you save on a degree could be spent on a start-up or something?
I have lightly explored the idea of not getting a degree, although I think my family would never agree to that - they'd think I'm just throwing my life away. I wouldn't be super comfortable not having a degree as a backup plan either.
I don't know any tech professionals in Cambodia but I'm sure you know everyone here recommends those who have the means to study abroad do so. There's a report on the startup scene in Cambodia that says only around 30% of startups founders here believe universities prepare students for a career in tech. I don't read enough reports to judge how good it is but maybe someone might be interested in reading it: https://www.raintreecambodia.com/research
Whether you go to the US or do a proper high-school in Cambodia, depends on your personal choices, though indeed, better get a proper high-school certificate before getting lost in the deeper, though for international purposes useless university education offered in Cambodia.edibleToast wrote: ↑Sat Apr 13, 2019 8:35 am.....Are you suggesting that I go back to high school at one of the proper international schools in Cambodia? I went to one of the fake "international" schools in Cambodia. It's not ISPP or Northbridge but some people from here have gone to Australian Uni and lower tier US colleges. I have asked American community colleges and I can apply with my current high school credentials. It costs about $20,000 a year to go to a U.S community college, which is more or less the same as ISPP and northbridge, so going back to get an international high school diploma just wouldn't make sense to me.IF you want to get up to a western education level, you'd better extend your current educational level (high school, probably) with a certificate which is recognized internationally. And then move on to western recognized university education. The more "bad" science education you receive, the more difficult it would be, to re-educate you into a proper science oriented person. It'll take you around 6 years to complete this process, provided you do have the capabilities.
Instead of the US, you may want to consider Europe, where the educational costs are significantly lower and, my personal view, the education quality is better than the USA. Scholarships seem to be available from the EU for students with decent capabilities and intentions (though I did not sort out the details yet), as well as student exchange programs and guest parent environments.
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RULE offers part-time classes for Master's degrees that are internationally recognised, in partnership with the University of Paris. Cost around $2000 pa
Presumably you would need to do the bachelor's first, which is NOT internationally recognised, afaik, but it is a way cheaper option and a gateway
Presumably you would need to do the bachelor's first, which is NOT internationally recognised, afaik, but it is a way cheaper option and a gateway
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