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Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 4:16 pm
by logos
RobW wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 6:28 am
There was the management consultant at a top international law firm who partnered up to run 440 with the founder of a notorious mongering website which advocated such activities as saving money in the whooring game by propositioning street trash collectors.
So what? Nothing wrong with being a law firm consultant.

Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 8:13 pm
by Aseriousman
Prahok wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 11:01 am
Aseriousman wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 8:10 am
I expect them to have a firm opinion based on the facts and to take a firm moral stance, so that the perpetrator can be quickly apprehended and punished.
To be fair, Aseriousman, I am not trying to sway your opinion. It is just that you present an opportunity to air the dangers of absolutism and the blinkered thinking that it encourages.

We have an existing example of the dangers of operating under such assumptions in the form of Aung San Suu Kyi. People who had the same approach as the one you advocate lauded 'The Lady' without paying any serious attention to her policies and practices until it was too late.

Most of the business community will have a healthy scepticism for any government in power in Cambodia, regardless of the party, until such time as it proves itself to be otherwise. Such scepticism is a part of risk management that allows businesses to survive.

As I said, I am not here to sway your thinking as arguing on the internet is like a compass with no markings.
talking about the dangers of absolutism,
Can you support that view with a comparative study?
And let's not just hear about how obvious it is.

I have more to comment on, but just let's leave it at this for now, as I would be interested in a comparison between Aung San Suu Kyi and Sam Rainsy, and see if it's as accurate an assessment as many posters here believe.

Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 8:21 pm
by vladimir
Aseriousman wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 9:02 pm
If, you don't support the CNRP and the disenfranchised Cambodians, then you must support the CPP.
The logic. Scary.

Why could he not be critical of both, just more critical of Drain Man?

Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 8:34 pm
by Lucky Lucan
It's a scary mentality, more prevalent in countries with conflicts. When I was young I got a lot of shit for not supporting a certain paramilitary group. You were either with them or seen as a threat.

Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 9:11 pm
by TheGrimReaper
Aseriousman wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 8:13 pm
talking about the dangers of absolutism,
Can you support that view with a comparative study?
And let's not just hear about how obvious it is.

I have more to comment on, but just let's leave it at this for now, as I would be interested in a comparison between Aung San Suu Kyi and Sam Rainsy, and see if it's as accurate an assessment as many posters here believe.
STOP DIGGING.

You have made it clear that you can only see black or white and that you cannot perceive any other way.

Everything in life is relative.

Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 9:39 pm
by slavedog
It took me about ten seconds to decide this thread wasn't worth any effort. Good to see my instincts haven't let me down.

Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 2:18 am
by Prahok
vladimir wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 8:21 pm
Aseriousman wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 9:02 pm
If, you don't support the CNRP and the disenfranchised Cambodians, then you must support the CPP.
The logic. Scary.
It is. Absolutism->partisanship->fanaticism.

Replacing absolutist thinking with critical thinking is a part of a number of de-radicalization programmes.

Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 8:28 am
by Petrol Head
slavedog wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 9:39 pm
It took me about ten seconds to decide this thread wasn't worth any effort. Good to see my instincts haven't let me down.
Gavin Mac's wrap degeneracy roll call was awesome, though.

Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:30 am
by Aseriousman
slavedog wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 9:39 pm
It took me about ten seconds to decide this thread wasn't worth any effort. Good to see my instincts haven't let me down.
That's actually quite good for you, as you only took five seconds to make the decision Farage would make a great PM. :lol:

Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 10:36 am
by Aseriousman
Petrol Head wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 8:28 am
slavedog wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 9:39 pm
It took me about ten seconds to decide this thread wasn't worth any effort. Good to see my instincts haven't let me down.
Gavin Mac's wrap degeneracy roll call was awesome, though.
Yes, he proved the point about using the business classes as a trope. I'm not expecting it to gain star place among the other tropes though, or even gain any place on this forum. Gavin Mac just proved that they are the worst. But this board will only point fingers at business class members when they fuckup up and get caught and not for the fact that they are morally lacking as a whole group.

Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:07 am
by Playboy
Aseriousman wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 10:30 am
slavedog wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 9:39 pm
It took me about ten seconds to decide this thread wasn't worth any effort. Good to see my instincts haven't let me down.
That's actually quite good for you, as you only took five seconds to make the decision Farage would make a great PM. :lol:
Nah, Jacob Rees-Mogg would be the best man for the job.

Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:30 am
by Aseriousman
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Prahok wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 2:18 am
vladimir wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 8:21 pm
Aseriousman wrote:
Thu May 09, 2019 9:02 pm
If, you don't support the CNRP and the disenfranchised Cambodians, then you must support the CPP.
The logic. Scary.
It is. Absolutism->partisanship->fanaticism.

Replacing absolutist thinking with critical thinking is a part of a number of de-radicalization programmes.
Ok, so apart from anything else you're both suggesting the EU with its huge system of democracy is an absolutist body. :eyes:
If they aren't happy about supporting this government anymore and have weighed up the situation, it's for some very good reasons. 127 of them if I remember correctly.

They almost withdrew the EBA a few years ago about land grabbing and village displacement re that huge sugar plantation. I expect they didn't because of weighing up the consequences for the country as a whole. I think what you're seeing now, is their feeling that what the CPP have done needs to be responded to with firm action, as no other course is now open because their relationship with the CPP has become untenable.

Businessmen who run Gap, Nike, Addidas, etc have all come out in agreement with the EU, and are also calling for reforms. Other businesses are too.

Many Cambodian expat businessmen are not. Ergo, they don't support the EU's call for reforms and pressure to try to make them happen, and instead decide to support the illegitimate CPP as the best choice for them in Cambodia.

Democracy for the people vs money to be made using Rainsy = Aung San Suu Kyi as its main reason, but without backing this opinion up with any studies or observations. Sounds very absolutist to me.

Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:31 am
by Wayward Woods
Aseriousman wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 10:36 am
Petrol Head wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 8:28 am
slavedog wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 9:39 pm
It took me about ten seconds to decide this thread wasn't worth any effort. Good to see my instincts haven't let me down.
Gavin Mac's wrap degeneracy roll call was awesome, though.
Yes, he proved the point about using the business classes as a trope. I'm not expecting it to gain star place among the other tropes though, or even gain any place on this forum. Gavin Mac just proved that they are the worst. But this board will only point fingers at business class members when they fuckup up and get caught and not for the fact that they are morally lacking as a whole group.
If you put GavinMac in Lazbuddie, TX for a month with only the internet to keep himself busy, he still wouldn’t have time to compile a list of the degenerate acts of the other groups you mentioned, sexpats, methpats, teflers, backpackers, etc.

Just scanning the recent topics here I see the German overstayer with his bizarre story about a tuk tuk stealing $9k from him; No Joke Howard dying; Boomer killing himself with China white; the Australian women that tried to smuggle 1 kg in heroin, BSCW, Violet’s taxi ride, Ken Wilcox (Gavin put him as a businessman/dr, but he just seems like a scammer to me).

What do you do for a living, if I may ask?

Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 11:43 am
by Aseriousman
Wayward Woods wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 11:31 am
Aseriousman wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 10:36 am
Petrol Head wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 8:28 am
slavedog wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 9:39 pm
It took me about ten seconds to decide this thread wasn't worth any effort. Good to see my instincts haven't let me down.
Gavin Mac's wrap degeneracy roll call was awesome, though.
Yes, he proved the point about using the business classes as a trope. I'm not expecting it to gain star place among the other tropes though, or even gain any place on this forum. Gavin Mac just proved that they are the worst. But this board will only point fingers at business class members when they fuckup up and get caught and not for the fact that they are morally lacking as a whole group.
If you put GavinMac in Lazbuddie, TX for a month with only the internet to keep himself busy, he still wouldn’t have time to compile a list of the degenerate acts of the other groups you mentioned, sexpats, methpats, teflers, backpackers, etc.

Just scanning the recent topics here I see the German overstayer with his bizarre story about a tuk tuk stealing $9k from him; No Joke Howard dying; Boomer killing himself with China white; the Australian women that tried to smuggle 1 kg in heroin, BSCW, Violet’s taxi ride, Ken Wilcox (Gavin put him as a businessman/dr, but he just seems like a scammer to me).

What do you do for a living, if I may ask?
I'm a businessman, with ethics of course. I made a decision to get out of Cambodia awhile a go because I don't agree with what this government has done/ is doing to its people.

Re: Business Class: the resistance begins

Posted: Sat May 11, 2019 1:24 pm
by TheGrimReaper
Aseriousman wrote:
Sat May 11, 2019 11:43 am
I'm a businessman, with ethics of course. I made a decision to get out of Cambodia awhile a go because I don't agree with what this government has done/ is doing to its people.
Seeing as you have brought up the subject, in which country do you do business?