What is your basis for saying in your first post that the girls are all related to each other? Did you read that somewhere or do you know them or are you just speculating without any basis in fact?Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:36 am
Lol. How is this related to the topic of discussion? You appear like a bitter loser, debating on an irrelevant fact instead of getting some valid points across. Be an educated adult.
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The fact that you are obviously lying about your identity is very relevant.Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:36 am
Lol. How is this related to the topic of discussion? You appear like a bitter loser, debating on an irrelevant fact instead of getting some valid points across. Be an educated adult.
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The very definition of a victim is also someone who is tricked , duped or helpless . These underage girls were not in this category. Your " very definition " is valid however they deliberately placed themselves for reward to become victims .Dallow Spicer wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:43 pmLucky Seven wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:17 pmI'm inclined to agree with Horace that all Cambodian girls under 21 look under age and this alone should have been a turn off however , I don't see these girls as victims when they were repeatedly complicit and lonely planet presents a good argument.
Victims of Pedo's are trusting juveniles lured by the perverts but these underage girls it appears were most certainly not in that category .
Of course they're fucking victims. The verydefinition an underage girl is a child incapable of making informed decisions about such issues, irrespective of her behaviour.
My very definition of a victim would be a molested child not encouraging an offense.... e.g. alter boy / priest ....teacher / student . These trusting minors are victims not underage girls soliciting at night in pub street .
Anyway you think their victims , I don't but regardless of that if he's done the crime then he deserves to be appropriately punished.
Are there cases like this where, once the dust has settled, serious doubts remain over the perpetrator's guilt?
I don't think there are many. Although that one with the teacher a year or so ago accused of abusing one of his very young pupils always seemed a bit of a strange one.
But I would expect that for the reasons pointed out by Prahok, there are very few miscarriages of justice in this area.
I don't think there are many. Although that one with the teacher a year or so ago accused of abusing one of his very young pupils always seemed a bit of a strange one.
But I would expect that for the reasons pointed out by Prahok, there are very few miscarriages of justice in this area.
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For those who accused me for not showing enough sympathy for these girls, let me explain why. If I feel that they are truly an innocent honest victim, I’d 100% support them. But I don’t even feel like they are even trust-worthy, leave alone being an innocent victim.
First of all, let’s discuss a bit about age of consent. Let me remind you, these girls are NOT children. They are teenagers. Who have been a parents will know the difference of a child and a teenager. Psychologically, a teenager can make conscious choice and apparently know what they are doing.
Proof? The age of consent in some European countries is 14.
See link below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of ... ope#France
My friend from Vietnam told me, her parents were married at 13. Some part of the country, like in the mountain villages, people are still getting married at 15. Don’t believe me? Do your own research.
Ever wondered why the punishment for this type of crime in Cambodia is 1 - 3 yrs in prison and $2000 max in fine? Do your research.
The cultures are different around the globe.
Not supporting pedophiles or even for a second think that is ok; but I bring this up because I read a few comments who said it doesn’t matter what they did, who they are, regardless; just because of their age, no need to debate further because they are children. A 9yo or even 12yo are children. A teenager is not. Again, a teenager psychologically and even legally capable of making conscious choice. They can deliberately lie, commit crime and some are just as bad as “the adults”. Don’t believe it? 5 years ago, there was a murder of a whole family of 5 done by a 14 yo boy. I can share link; but I’m sure some of you have come across something like that, so do your own research if needed.
So to answer those who ask for leaving these girls out of question because they are “children”, let me ask you this, does it mean you would tolerate any crime a person made as long as he/she is under 18? Including murder? Including wrongly accuse of someone? No.
Age is not an indicator of maturity, nor characteristics. A 15 years old can lie. A 15 years old can commit crime. We are more likely to forgive them; and they are more likely to receive a lighter punishment. But that does not mean we disregard all evidence and blindly trust whatever they say. That means we still need to consider the evidence placed in front of us and put it in a fair perspective.
So move on to the next question, why do I doubt these girl.
First of all, the characteristics and the honesty of these girls are questionable. Besides all of points I mentioned in my other posts about them wandering alone at night; according to their own claims, this has happened 3 times. One of the girls actually introduced her cousin to the guy. If what they said is true, what does it sound like? It sounds like a young pimp in the making. Someone who can do that is apparently not a good girl, leave alone being innocent.
Second is the motive. According to these girls, he has had sex with them multiple times including one time in his trip in 2018. So why this only now came to the surface right about the time he was about to leave the country?
Third, for those who wonder, I happen to know more insider details because I am part of a Facebook music group that involve people who know him. No one for a second believes that he had done this. His family is desperately working to have him tried in the US. If he has committed this crime, why would they rather it be like that - knowing the punishment is way more severe over here. They want justice and a fair verdict.
First of all, let’s discuss a bit about age of consent. Let me remind you, these girls are NOT children. They are teenagers. Who have been a parents will know the difference of a child and a teenager. Psychologically, a teenager can make conscious choice and apparently know what they are doing.
Proof? The age of consent in some European countries is 14.
See link below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of ... ope#France
My friend from Vietnam told me, her parents were married at 13. Some part of the country, like in the mountain villages, people are still getting married at 15. Don’t believe me? Do your own research.
Ever wondered why the punishment for this type of crime in Cambodia is 1 - 3 yrs in prison and $2000 max in fine? Do your research.
The cultures are different around the globe.
Not supporting pedophiles or even for a second think that is ok; but I bring this up because I read a few comments who said it doesn’t matter what they did, who they are, regardless; just because of their age, no need to debate further because they are children. A 9yo or even 12yo are children. A teenager is not. Again, a teenager psychologically and even legally capable of making conscious choice. They can deliberately lie, commit crime and some are just as bad as “the adults”. Don’t believe it? 5 years ago, there was a murder of a whole family of 5 done by a 14 yo boy. I can share link; but I’m sure some of you have come across something like that, so do your own research if needed.
So to answer those who ask for leaving these girls out of question because they are “children”, let me ask you this, does it mean you would tolerate any crime a person made as long as he/she is under 18? Including murder? Including wrongly accuse of someone? No.
Age is not an indicator of maturity, nor characteristics. A 15 years old can lie. A 15 years old can commit crime. We are more likely to forgive them; and they are more likely to receive a lighter punishment. But that does not mean we disregard all evidence and blindly trust whatever they say. That means we still need to consider the evidence placed in front of us and put it in a fair perspective.
So move on to the next question, why do I doubt these girl.
First of all, the characteristics and the honesty of these girls are questionable. Besides all of points I mentioned in my other posts about them wandering alone at night; according to their own claims, this has happened 3 times. One of the girls actually introduced her cousin to the guy. If what they said is true, what does it sound like? It sounds like a young pimp in the making. Someone who can do that is apparently not a good girl, leave alone being innocent.
Second is the motive. According to these girls, he has had sex with them multiple times including one time in his trip in 2018. So why this only now came to the surface right about the time he was about to leave the country?
Third, for those who wonder, I happen to know more insider details because I am part of a Facebook music group that involve people who know him. No one for a second believes that he had done this. His family is desperately working to have him tried in the US. If he has committed this crime, why would they rather it be like that - knowing the punishment is way more severe over here. They want justice and a fair verdict.
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How would friends of his in Florida know if the girls were all related? That's something someone based in Siem Reap familiar with underage prostitutes there would know.Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:59 am
Third, for those who wonder, I happen to know more insider details because I am part of a Facebook music group that involve people who know him. No one for a second believes that he had done this. His family is desperately working to have him tried in the US. If he has committed this crime, why would they rather it be like that - knowing the punishment is way more severe over here. They want justice and a fair verdict.
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Fucking Rock lobster.Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:59 amFor those who accused me for not showing enough sympathy for these girls, let me explain why. If I feel that they are truly an innocent honest victim, I’d 100% support them. But I don’t even feel like they are even trust-worthy, leave alone being an innocent victim.
First of all, let’s discuss a bit about age of consent. Let me remind you, these girls are NOT children. They are teenagers. Who have been a parents will know the difference of a child and a teenager. Psychologically, a teenager can make conscious choice and apparently know what they are doing.
Proof? The age of consent in some European countries is 14.
See link below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of ... ope#France
My friend from Vietnam told me, her parents were married at 13. Some part of the country, like in the mountain villages, people are still getting married at 15. Don’t believe me? Do your own research.
Ever wondered why the punishment for this type of crime in Cambodia is 1 - 3 yrs in prison and $2000 max in fine? Do your research.
The cultures are different around the globe.
Not supporting pedophiles or even for a second think that is ok; but I bring this up because I read a few comments who said it doesn’t matter what they did, who they are, regardless; just because of their age, no need to debate further because they are children. A 9yo or even 12yo are children. A teenager is not. Again, a teenager psychologically and even legally capable of making conscious choice. They can deliberately lie, commit crime and some are just as bad as “the adults”. Don’t believe it? 5 years ago, there was a murder of a whole family of 5 done by a 14 yo boy. I can share link; but I’m sure some of you have come across something like that, so do your own research if needed.
So to answer those who ask for leaving these girls out of question because they are “children”, let me ask you this, does it mean you would tolerate any crime a person made as long as he/she is under 18? Including murder? Including wrongly accuse of someone? No.
Age is not an indicator of maturity, nor characteristics. A 15 years old can lie. A 15 years old can commit crime. We are more likely to forgive them; and they are more likely to receive a lighter punishment. But that does not mean we disregard all evidence and blindly trust whatever they say. That means we still need to consider the evidence placed in front of us and put it in a fair perspective.
So move on to the next question, why do I doubt these girl.
First of all, the characteristics and the honesty of these girls are questionable. Besides all of points I mentioned in my other posts about them wandering alone at night; according to their own claims, this has happened 3 times. One of the girls actually introduced her cousin to the guy. If what they said is true, what does it sound like? It sounds like a young pimp in the making. Someone who can do that is apparently not a good girl, leave alone being innocent.
Second is the motive. According to these girls, he has had sex with them multiple times including one time in his trip in 2018. So why this only now came to the surface right about the time he was about to leave the country?
Third, for those who wonder, I happen to know more insider details because I am part of a Facebook music group that involve people who know him. No one for a second believes that he had done this. His family is desperately working to have him tried in the US. If he has committed this crime, why would they rather it be like that - knowing the punishment is way more severe over here. They want justice and a fair verdict.
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Oh, may I ask for your mailing address to mail you a copy of my birth certificate? Lmao. Oh but wait, can you read Khmer?Lucky Lucan wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:05 amThe fact that you are obviously lying about your identity is very relevant.Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:36 am
Lol. How is this related to the topic of discussion? You appear like a bitter loser, debating on an irrelevant fact instead of getting some valid points across. Be an educated adult.
Your question showed me that you don’t know much about the case but already jump on the wagon of the accuser. And barely can get back with a valid argument. But what can I expect from you...? You quickly assumed I was lying about my identity without even know me! Again, sorry, but still think you’re a bitter loser.
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Fucking idiotJackal wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:06 amFucking Rock lobster.Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:59 amFor those who accused me for not showing enough sympathy for these girls, let me explain why. If I feel that they are truly an innocent honest victim, I’d 100% support them. But I don’t even feel like they are even trust-worthy, leave alone being an innocent victim.
First of all, let’s discuss a bit about age of consent. Let me remind you, these girls are NOT children. They are teenagers. Who have been a parents will know the difference of a child and a teenager. Psychologically, a teenager can make conscious choice and apparently know what they are doing.
Proof? The age of consent in some European countries is 14.
See link below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of ... ope#France
My friend from Vietnam told me, her parents were married at 13. Some part of the country, like in the mountain villages, people are still getting married at 15. Don’t believe me? Do your own research.
Ever wondered why the punishment for this type of crime in Cambodia is 1 - 3 yrs in prison and $2000 max in fine? Do your research.
The cultures are different around the globe.
Not supporting pedophiles or even for a second think that is ok; but I bring this up because I read a few comments who said it doesn’t matter what they did, who they are, regardless; just because of their age, no need to debate further because they are children. A 9yo or even 12yo are children. A teenager is not. Again, a teenager psychologically and even legally capable of making conscious choice. They can deliberately lie, commit crime and some are just as bad as “the adults”. Don’t believe it? 5 years ago, there was a murder of a whole family of 5 done by a 14 yo boy. I can share link; but I’m sure some of you have come across something like that, so do your own research if needed.
So to answer those who ask for leaving these girls out of question because they are “children”, let me ask you this, does it mean you would tolerate any crime a person made as long as he/she is under 18? Including murder? Including wrongly accuse of someone? No.
Age is not an indicator of maturity, nor characteristics. A 15 years old can lie. A 15 years old can commit crime. We are more likely to forgive them; and they are more likely to receive a lighter punishment. But that does not mean we disregard all evidence and blindly trust whatever they say. That means we still need to consider the evidence placed in front of us and put it in a fair perspective.
So move on to the next question, why do I doubt these girl.
First of all, the characteristics and the honesty of these girls are questionable. Besides all of points I mentioned in my other posts about them wandering alone at night; according to their own claims, this has happened 3 times. One of the girls actually introduced her cousin to the guy. If what they said is true, what does it sound like? It sounds like a young pimp in the making. Someone who can do that is apparently not a good girl, leave alone being innocent.
Second is the motive. According to these girls, he has had sex with them multiple times including one time in his trip in 2018. So why this only now came to the surface right about the time he was about to leave the country?
Third, for those who wonder, I happen to know more insider details because I am part of a Facebook music group that involve people who know him. No one for a second believes that he had done this. His family is desperately working to have him tried in the US. If he has committed this crime, why would they rather it be like that - knowing the punishment is way more severe over here. They want justice and a fair verdict.
Fuck off you piece of shit - whenever someone starts to want to debate age of consent, we know where you are coming fromLonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:59 amFor those who accused me for not showing enough sympathy for these girls, let me explain why. If I feel that they are truly an innocent honest victim, I’d 100% support them. But I don’t even feel like they are even trust-worthy, leave alone being an innocent victim.
First of all, let’s discuss a bit about age of consent. Let me remind you, these girls are NOT children. They are teenagers. Who have been a parents will know the difference of a child and a teenager. Psychologically, a teenager can make conscious choice and apparently know what they are doing.
Proof? The age of consent in some European countries is 14.
See link below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of ... ope#France
My friend from Vietnam told me, her parents were married at 13. Some part of the country, like in the mountain villages, people are still getting married at 15. Don’t believe me? Do your own research.
Ever wondered why the punishment for this type of crime in Cambodia is 1 - 3 yrs in prison and $2000 max in fine? Do your research.
The cultures are different around the globe.
Not supporting pedophiles or even for a second think that is ok; but I bring this up because I read a few comments who said it doesn’t matter what they did, who they are, regardless; just because of their age, no need to debate further because they are children. A 9yo or even 12yo are children. A teenager is not. Again, a teenager psychologically and even legally capable of making conscious choice. They can deliberately lie, commit crime and some are just as bad as “the adults”. Don’t believe it? 5 years ago, there was a murder of a whole family of 5 done by a 14 yo boy. I can share link; but I’m sure some of you have come across something like that, so do your own research if needed.
So to answer those who ask for leaving these girls out of question because they are “children”, let me ask you this, does it mean you would tolerate any crime a person made as long as he/she is under 18? Including murder? Including wrongly accuse of someone? No.
Age is not an indicator of maturity, nor characteristics. A 15 years old can lie. A 15 years old can commit crime. We are more likely to forgive them; and they are more likely to receive a lighter punishment. But that does not mean we disregard all evidence and blindly trust whatever they say. That means we still need to consider the evidence placed in front of us and put it in a fair perspective.
So move on to the next question, why do I doubt these girl.
First of all, the characteristics and the honesty of these girls are questionable. Besides all of points I mentioned in my other posts about them wandering alone at night; according to their own claims, this has happened 3 times. One of the girls actually introduced her cousin to the guy. If what they said is true, what does it sound like? It sounds like a young pimp in the making. Someone who can do that is apparently not a good girl, leave alone being innocent.
Second is the motive. According to these girls, he has had sex with them multiple times including one time in his trip in 2018. So why this only now came to the surface right about the time he was about to leave the country?
Third, for those who wonder, I happen to know more insider details because I am part of a Facebook music group that involve people who know him. No one for a second believes that he had done this. His family is desperately working to have him tried in the US. If he has committed this crime, why would they rather it be like that - knowing the punishment is way more severe over here. They want justice and a fair verdict.
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Thanks to the internet! Do some more research and try to be more objective rather than pre-assuming.gavinmac wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:04 amHow would friends of his in Florida know if the girls were all related? That's something someone based in Siem Reap familiar with underage prostitutes there would know.Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:59 am
Third, for those who wonder, I happen to know more insider details because I am part of a Facebook music group that involve people who know him. No one for a second believes that he had done this. His family is desperately working to have him tried in the US. If he has committed this crime, why would they rather it be like that - knowing the punishment is way more severe over here. They want justice and a fair verdict.
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Whenever I found someone who can not handle a debate in an appropriate manner; fail to look at things from different perspectives; get angry and curse becuz he can’t produce a valid and reasonable arguments, I know where that person comes from too! Hey youchubacca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:15 amFuck off you piece of shit - whenever someone starts to want to debate age of consent, we know where you are coming fromLonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:59 amFor those who accused me for not showing enough sympathy for these girls, let me explain why. If I feel that they are truly an innocent honest victim, I’d 100% support them. But I don’t even feel like they are even trust-worthy, leave alone being an innocent victim.
First of all, let’s discuss a bit about age of consent. Let me remind you, these girls are NOT children. They are teenagers. Who have been a parents will know the difference of a child and a teenager. Psychologically, a teenager can make conscious choice and apparently know what they are doing.
Proof? The age of consent in some European countries is 14.
See link below.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of ... ope#France
My friend from Vietnam told me, her parents were married at 13. Some part of the country, like in the mountain villages, people are still getting married at 15. Don’t believe me? Do your own research.
Ever wondered why the punishment for this type of crime in Cambodia is 1 - 3 yrs in prison and $2000 max in fine? Do your research.
The cultures are different around the globe.
Not supporting pedophiles or even for a second think that is ok; but I bring this up because I read a few comments who said it doesn’t matter what they did, who they are, regardless; just because of their age, no need to debate further because they are children. A 9yo or even 12yo are children. A teenager is not. Again, a teenager psychologically and even legally capable of making conscious choice. They can deliberately lie, commit crime and some are just as bad as “the adults”. Don’t believe it? 5 years ago, there was a murder of a whole family of 5 done by a 14 yo boy. I can share link; but I’m sure some of you have come across something like that, so do your own research if needed.
So to answer those who ask for leaving these girls out of question because they are “children”, let me ask you this, does it mean you would tolerate any crime a person made as long as he/she is under 18? Including murder? Including wrongly accuse of someone? No.
Age is not an indicator of maturity, nor characteristics. A 15 years old can lie. A 15 years old can commit crime. We are more likely to forgive them; and they are more likely to receive a lighter punishment. But that does not mean we disregard all evidence and blindly trust whatever they say. That means we still need to consider the evidence placed in front of us and put it in a fair perspective.
So move on to the next question, why do I doubt these girl.
First of all, the characteristics and the honesty of these girls are questionable. Besides all of points I mentioned in my other posts about them wandering alone at night; according to their own claims, this has happened 3 times. One of the girls actually introduced her cousin to the guy. If what they said is true, what does it sound like? It sounds like a young pimp in the making. Someone who can do that is apparently not a good girl, leave alone being innocent.
Second is the motive. According to these girls, he has had sex with them multiple times including one time in his trip in 2018. So why this only now came to the surface right about the time he was about to leave the country?
Third, for those who wonder, I happen to know more insider details because I am part of a Facebook music group that involve people who know him. No one for a second believes that he had done this. His family is desperately working to have him tried in the US. If he has committed this crime, why would they rather it be like that - knowing the punishment is way more severe over here. They want justice and a fair verdict.
Wait, I thought you like barely knew him eight fucking years ago:Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:59 am
Third, for those who wonder, I happen to know more insider details because I am part of a Facebook music group that involve people who know him. No one for a second believes that he had done this. His family is desperately working to have him tried in the US. If he has committed this crime, why would they rather it be like that - knowing the punishment is way more severe over here. They want justice and a fair verdict.
What’s your music group? Let me guess, it’s middle aged men only, and you specialize in youth choirs?Lonelyplanet wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:31 am
Finally; I don’t know him very well; but I knew him from the Occupy Tampa protest a few years ago. He has offered free legal assistant to the protesters despite being threatened about his career by the authority.
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Seconded, this pedo-apologist should be banned.
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