Buying a Toyota Rav4
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I've never heard less MPG with LPG. I think he means as a fuel type it's less efficient, but that doesn't really matter of the fuel is much cheaper. I talked to a guy the other guy with one of those Indian 200cc tuktuks who said when he switches over to LPG it costs him $3/month! Granted, I don't think he does many km but even my scooter costs me $6-8/week (I do a lot of km).
LPG has less BTU value of gasoline so requires a greater amount to get the same power so uses more. LPG is less efficient than gasoline. The garage was lying.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:As I read it that's not what he is saying.YaTingPom wrote:How big was the petrol tank, 40l? Just googled. 80l.Jackal wrote:I ran a v6 Tacoma on LPG early this year.
300 miles from a tank of LPG (75l).
240 Miles from a tank of petrol.
LPG far, far cheaper to run. Slight extra cost for more frequent oil changes.
Either way LPG gives min 20% less mpg. Even more if you've a bad install. (Likely in KOW!) but then it cost less so...
Also, did you buy the Tacoma with the kit already installed. If not how much was the install?
He got more miles (300 vs 240) from a smaller tank (75L vs 80L).
His experience seems to be very different from the 20% less mpg you are suggesting with LPG.
Unless I am reading it wrong... but his experience is similar to what the garage told me when I installed last week.
1 gallon of LPG has 73% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline.
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LPG cleaner burning though, so better for the internal workings of your engine, and "contains more energy per kilo than other competing fuels". I guess it comes down to how you quantify the gains of one fuel over another.
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Is Jackal lying too?YaTingPom wrote:LPG has less BTU value of gasoline so requires a greater amount to get the same power so uses more. LPG is less efficient than gasoline. The garage was lying.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:As I read it that's not what he is saying.YaTingPom wrote:How big was the petrol tank, 40l? Just googled. 80l.Jackal wrote:I ran a v6 Tacoma on LPG early this year.
300 miles from a tank of LPG (75l).
240 Miles from a tank of petrol.
LPG far, far cheaper to run. Slight extra cost for more frequent oil changes.
Either way LPG gives min 20% less mpg. Even more if you've a bad install. (Likely in KOW!) but then it cost less so...
Also, did you buy the Tacoma with the kit already installed. If not how much was the install?
He got more miles (300 vs 240) from a smaller tank (75L vs 80L).
His experience seems to be very different from the 20% less mpg you are suggesting with LPG.
Unless I am reading it wrong... but his experience is similar to what the garage told me when I installed last week.
1 gallon of LPG has 73% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline.
Not lying just misinformed.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:Is Jackal lying too?YaTingPom wrote:LPG has less BTU value of gasoline so requires a greater amount to get the same power so uses more. LPG is less efficient than gasoline. The garage was lying.ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:As I read it that's not what he is saying.YaTingPom wrote:How big was the petrol tank, 40l? Just googled. 80l.Jackal wrote:I ran a v6 Tacoma on LPG early this year.
300 miles from a tank of LPG (75l).
240 Miles from a tank of petrol.
LPG far, far cheaper to run. Slight extra cost for more frequent oil changes.
Either way LPG gives min 20% less mpg. Even more if you've a bad install. (Likely in KOW!) but then it cost less so...
Also, did you buy the Tacoma with the kit already installed. If not how much was the install?
He got more miles (300 vs 240) from a smaller tank (75L vs 80L).
His experience seems to be very different from the 20% less mpg you are suggesting with LPG.
Unless I am reading it wrong... but his experience is similar to what the garage told me when I installed last week.
1 gallon of LPG has 73% of the energy of one gallon of gasoline.
"far, far cheaper" is relative.
Yes it is cheaper to buy but the installation fee will obviously add to the overall cost. The average expat will never realistically see any benefit. Petrol is so cheap why bother.
https://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/fuel_ ... _chart.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_ ... equivalent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquefied_petroleum_gas
https://www.thoughtco.com/fuel-energy-comparisons-85636
etc etc
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Yeah, you can pull facts out of google all day long. I'm not "misinformed" - I was driving the damn car!
Fact is, I was getting that much better mileage on that car compared to petrol. Not just once or twice either. Was driving around 900 miles per week and it was consistient on those figures for petrol or for lpg
How is it possible? Not sure, car came with LPG install on it.
Likely reason - poorly maintained or overdue for replacement, petrol injectors.
Yeah, you can pull facts out of google all day long. I'm not "misinformed" - I was driving the damn car!
Fact is, I was getting that much better mileage on that car compared to petrol. Not just once or twice either. Was driving around 900 miles per week and it was consistient on those figures for petrol or for lpg
How is it possible? Not sure, car came with LPG install on it.
Likely reason - poorly maintained or overdue for replacement, petrol injectors.
Well your car flies in face of physics then, or your cars petrol system is totally fooked!
I ran four LPG cars in the UK for 4 years (sharing two LPG systems, transferred from each vehicle after the cars reached the end of their life) and each car covered average 50k miles a year. Average after that time was 19% less efficient than petrol. We changed to diesel after that, much to the drivers disgust!
LPG is less calorific than gasoline. It's a fact!
I ran four LPG cars in the UK for 4 years (sharing two LPG systems, transferred from each vehicle after the cars reached the end of their life) and each car covered average 50k miles a year. Average after that time was 19% less efficient than petrol. We changed to diesel after that, much to the drivers disgust!
LPG is less calorific than gasoline. It's a fact!
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Well, if you read my post, you would see that I said as much regarding petrol injectors.
Another (highly likely) scenario would be that much of the petrol fuel here is stepped upon/diluted etc.
I have to disagree that an expat would never get their money's worth from an LPG system. Totally worthwhile.
Another (highly likely) scenario would be that much of the petrol fuel here is stepped upon/diluted etc.
I have to disagree that an expat would never get their money's worth from an LPG system. Totally worthwhile.
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