New York doctor held in Cambodia accused of sex with 14yo
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Is this story about Harvey Johnson?
Even the dude's version of events doesn't paint him in a favorbale light. A Khmer offers to arrange sex with a 12 and 15 year old and visit an underage brothel and he says "maybe." Then he admittedly pays off a debt in kiddie porn. Nice guy. Why would anyone take his word that he didn't touch a girl?
Even the dude's version of events doesn't paint him in a favorbale light. A Khmer offers to arrange sex with a 12 and 15 year old and visit an underage brothel and he says "maybe." Then he admittedly pays off a debt in kiddie porn. Nice guy. Why would anyone take his word that he didn't touch a girl?
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LoL, yeah, the story above sounds like a guilty guy that smart "enough" to avoid most charges...gavinmac wrote:Is this story about Harvey Johnson?
Even the dude's version of events doesn't paint him in a favorbale light. A Khmer offers to arrange sex with a 12 and 15 year old and visit an underage brothel and he says "maybe." Then he admittedly pays off a debt in kiddie porn. Nice guy. Why would anyone take his word that he didn't touch a girl?
Looks like the usual apologist BS posted under a different name...
Yes, sounded like fatso Harvey.
Yes, sounded like fatso Harvey.
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When I first arrived here, a guy I had worked with in Thailand e-mailed me and asked me if I could show a friend of his around town.
I agreed and contacted the guy, who asked me where he should stay, said he was going to be going out and enjoying the nightlife a lot. I told him WA, and gave him all the info/room rates etc. I thought it was strange that he wanted to stay out of town. Eventually he asked me, in one e-mail:
" What is their policy regarding taking 'the little ones' to the room?', and the penny dropped.
I forwarded the email to his embassy and an NGO and asked my former colleague in Thailand what the hell was going on. I never got a reply, but I'll never speak to him again.
I'm extremely suspicious of people who claim to have expressed interest/ answered noncommittally when kiddie porn/ underage girls are involved. I would just hit the guy and call the police, end of story, and I hope that most of us would do the same.
Have nothing to do with the scum and inform the authorities immediately.
I agreed and contacted the guy, who asked me where he should stay, said he was going to be going out and enjoying the nightlife a lot. I told him WA, and gave him all the info/room rates etc. I thought it was strange that he wanted to stay out of town. Eventually he asked me, in one e-mail:
" What is their policy regarding taking 'the little ones' to the room?', and the penny dropped.
I forwarded the email to his embassy and an NGO and asked my former colleague in Thailand what the hell was going on. I never got a reply, but I'll never speak to him again.
I'm extremely suspicious of people who claim to have expressed interest/ answered noncommittally when kiddie porn/ underage girls are involved. I would just hit the guy and call the police, end of story, and I hope that most of us would do the same.
Have nothing to do with the scum and inform the authorities immediately.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
I know harvey and isaac.
Harvey is a criminal,isaac is a pathetic bullshitter.
One would never,ever trust either of them.
Harvey is a criminal,isaac is a pathetic bullshitter.
One would never,ever trust either of them.
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There is usually quite a lot of evidence to suggest that these people are guilty as hell, making excuses about corruption doesn't wear it, these people would get buried if they were caught doing similar crimes in the west.Mark Cicero wrote:'Guilty Until Proven Innocent'
It is disturbing when commentators in the US or the UK instantly assume guilt whenever one is accused of a sex-crime. It is astonishing when the assumption is made by Westerners living in, or familiar with the corrupt Cambodian justice system. A system in which virtually all information is channeled through the NGO's, the corrupt Cambodian government, or a media obsessed with sensationalism rather than critical journalism.
That's completely untrue, there have been numerous prosecutions of Cambodians for distribution or possession of pornography.Mark Cicero wrote:REGARDING ENTRAPMENT
At this pint we need to separate East from West. In the US, inappropriate videos are a huge no no. Under Cambodian law, however they are NOT illegal. The Cambodian legal code has very stif penalties for 'production' which generally means taking a photo or video of an underage girl one is debauching. The other much lesser penalties apply only to the storage or desplay of child pornography for public sale. When last I looked there appears to be no legal restrictions on private ownership or sales of such material. In deed, such material is available at most video stores in PP and is sold on the streets in Thailand. It's pretty much a Cambodian business conducted among Cambodians, so its generally ignore by the authorities.
Street 57 is in BKK1, it's a couple of kilometers south of Boeng Kok and is not in any way a sex-district.By now the man was teaching in a small, private school situated in a poor, drug infested neighborhood north of Boeng Kok Lake. This area lies adjacent to ST 57, one of the biggest sex districts but one which caters almost exclusively with Cambodians. The man told Isaac that it was a strange neighborhood.
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I am not so naive as to believe all those accused are innocent. Most are patently guilty. But, given the 'Witch hunt' mentality that exists in Cambodia, I'm willing to bet some of them are innocent. The Cambodian justice system has scant regard for human rights or civil liberties. It is a wholly Machiavellian regime; pragmatic and self serving. In Cambodia you can not believe anything you see in the media. You can not believe anything the government tell you. Any opinion of guilt or innocence of those accused is uninformed. Given the vested interest of the government, the NGO's, and the Media to amass convictions, I tend to lean the other way. Not that I believe in their innocence. Rather that I would see 100 guilty men go free than see one innocent man convicted.
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(PS) I could be wrong about St 57. He was referred tp street which runs west from the Japanese Br.
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Are we on the same planet? Have you been here or do you just get that stuff off the internet? I don't believe they need to entrap pedophiles, there are enough of them who get themselves into trouble already.Mark Cicero wrote: It is a wholly Machiavellian regime; pragmatic and self serving. In Cambodia you can not believe anything you see in the media. You can not believe anything the government tell you.
I'd rather the opposite.Rather that I would see 100 guilty men go free than see one innocent man convicted.
Its a long time since that street (St. 70) was a sex district.Mark Cicero wrote:(PS) I could be wrong about St 57. He was referred tp street which runs west from the Japanese Br.
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The brothels were closed in the pre-election raids in Feb 2008, but the girls moved in mass into the street. I don't know about today, but in 2009 the street was hoppin', though the clientele was almost exclusively Cambodians.
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I always found it odd that Isaac would so often secretly tell someone what he does undercover. Should bloody keep quiet about it rather than trying to boost his bloody ego... I always had my doubts. But then he opened a bar with DF.
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indeedken svay wrote:I know harvey and isaac.
Harvey is a criminal,isaac is a pathetic bullshitter.
One would never,ever trust either of them.
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I don't know if 'the man' is guilt or not, but consider this. APLE had him under close investigation for two years. He was followed day and night. Cameras and listening devices were planted in his home (including his bedroom)' The activities for which he was charged were alleged to have occurred in his home, yet none were recorded. They. taped hours of conversations and edited out snip-its which THEY claim refer to minors, yet nothing in the snip-its indicated the age of the subjects. Wouldn't the NGO have played those parts if they existed? Much is made of his knowledge of the 'dark side' of Cambodian culture. I suspect most of you on this forum know just as much or more of what's goes on in Cambodia.. Many people know the dark side of drug trafficking. That doesn't make them drug traffickers.
At the end of this extensive investigation the man was charged with 'touching a minor', a misdemeanor, based upon claims of a girl who had been punished after the man had caught her stealing a telephone (to which she confessed). The press said there were 10 or more girls involved, yet only 5 statements were taken. Only two of those were used by the prosecution. Why? Because the other three said they had never seen him do anything wrong. The fourth testified her statement was untrue and had been manufactured by the police.
Was he guilty? Who knows? I am always suspicious when I see someone being 'Tried in the Press' and, let's face it, no one has ever been 'tried in the press' like this guy was. But the actual facts in this case were sketchy at best. This case would have been laughed out of any American court and an investigation launched of police misconduct. That's probably why he was never extradited. These days almost all Americans charged with sexual misconduct are extradited if a genuine case exists.
It would be naive to assume he was innocent. But it is equally naive to assume guilt. Which leaves us with the fundamental principle that one is assumed innocent until proven guilty by a fair and just trial. Two hundred fifty death row convictions have now been overturned in the US by DNA evidence. The real question is, “How is it they were convicted in the first place?” I fear most Americans no longer believe in that fundamental principle of 'innocent until proven guilty'.
At the end of this extensive investigation the man was charged with 'touching a minor', a misdemeanor, based upon claims of a girl who had been punished after the man had caught her stealing a telephone (to which she confessed). The press said there were 10 or more girls involved, yet only 5 statements were taken. Only two of those were used by the prosecution. Why? Because the other three said they had never seen him do anything wrong. The fourth testified her statement was untrue and had been manufactured by the police.
Was he guilty? Who knows? I am always suspicious when I see someone being 'Tried in the Press' and, let's face it, no one has ever been 'tried in the press' like this guy was. But the actual facts in this case were sketchy at best. This case would have been laughed out of any American court and an investigation launched of police misconduct. That's probably why he was never extradited. These days almost all Americans charged with sexual misconduct are extradited if a genuine case exists.
It would be naive to assume he was innocent. But it is equally naive to assume guilt. Which leaves us with the fundamental principle that one is assumed innocent until proven guilty by a fair and just trial. Two hundred fifty death row convictions have now been overturned in the US by DNA evidence. The real question is, “How is it they were convicted in the first place?” I fear most Americans no longer believe in that fundamental principle of 'innocent until proven guilty'.
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Exactly.hanky wrote:Are we on the same planet? Have you been here or do you just get that stuff off the internet? I don't believe they need to entrap pedophiles, there are enough of them who get themselves into trouble already.Mark Cicero wrote: It is a wholly Machiavellian regime; pragmatic and self serving. In Cambodia you can not believe anything you see in the media. You can not believe anything the government tell you.
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