Good thing they have us clever barang around to set them straight.OrangeDragon wrote:i actually posed this question to my wife as we cruised through her families village and i saw CCP propoganda signs up in several places.
i asked her "if he's going to give away their homes, why are they still supporting him?"
her response was simple "they don't believe it's true."
turns out, none of them believe it's going to happen to them, until it does.
Land Grabbing in focus...
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I found this article very enlightening. History repeating itself.
.... (in) early 1970s, they were the largest ethnic minority in Cambodia; there were an estimated 425,000. However, by 1984, there were only 61,400 Chinese Cambodians left. ....
Chinese Cambodians play a leading role in the Cambodian business sector as well as within Cambodia's political scene. ...
Most Chinese Cambodian moneylenders wield considerable economic power over the ethnic Khmer peasants through usury. Studies in the 1950s revealed that Chinese shopkeepers in Cambodia would sell to peasants on credit at interest rates of 10-20% a month. This might have been the reason why seventy-five percent of the peasants in Cambodia were in debt in 1952, according to the Australian Colonial Credit Office. There seemed to be little distinction between Chinese and Sino-Khmer (offspring of mixed Chinese and Khmer descent) in the moneylending and shopkeeping enterprises. Chinese Cambodian entrepreneurs are also estimated to control 70% of the industrial investment and are actively engaged in trading, construction, small-scale manufacturing, and food processing.[6]
Of particular note is China's economic role in the country,[3] which encouraged Sino-Khmer businessmen to reestablish their past business which were once suppressed by the Khmer Rouge. Modern Cambodian economy is highly dependent on Sino-Khmer companies who controlled a large stake in the country's economy,[7] and their support is enhanced by the large presence of lawmakers who are of at least part-Chinese ancestry themselves.[8] The position of the Chinese minority has undergone a dramatic turn for the better and the Chinese seem to have regained much of their previous economic clout. For various reasons, including the growing economic collaboration between China and Cambodia and the huge investments being made by Chinese companies, the Chinese community has seen its numbers expand dramatically in the 2000s (decade).
IMHO, If I was in the "Sino-Khmer" Group that controlled 70% of the country by 1970, and got fucked over and lost 86% of MY TRIBE (425,000>>>61,400) ... THEN, when I had clawed my tribes way back into CONTROL, I would not give a fuck who got hurt nor how I did it. Sound reasonable ?
I found this article very enlightening. History repeating itself.
.... (in) early 1970s, they were the largest ethnic minority in Cambodia; there were an estimated 425,000. However, by 1984, there were only 61,400 Chinese Cambodians left. ....
Chinese Cambodians play a leading role in the Cambodian business sector as well as within Cambodia's political scene. ...
Most Chinese Cambodian moneylenders wield considerable economic power over the ethnic Khmer peasants through usury. Studies in the 1950s revealed that Chinese shopkeepers in Cambodia would sell to peasants on credit at interest rates of 10-20% a month. This might have been the reason why seventy-five percent of the peasants in Cambodia were in debt in 1952, according to the Australian Colonial Credit Office. There seemed to be little distinction between Chinese and Sino-Khmer (offspring of mixed Chinese and Khmer descent) in the moneylending and shopkeeping enterprises. Chinese Cambodian entrepreneurs are also estimated to control 70% of the industrial investment and are actively engaged in trading, construction, small-scale manufacturing, and food processing.[6]
Of particular note is China's economic role in the country,[3] which encouraged Sino-Khmer businessmen to reestablish their past business which were once suppressed by the Khmer Rouge. Modern Cambodian economy is highly dependent on Sino-Khmer companies who controlled a large stake in the country's economy,[7] and their support is enhanced by the large presence of lawmakers who are of at least part-Chinese ancestry themselves.[8] The position of the Chinese minority has undergone a dramatic turn for the better and the Chinese seem to have regained much of their previous economic clout. For various reasons, including the growing economic collaboration between China and Cambodia and the huge investments being made by Chinese companies, the Chinese community has seen its numbers expand dramatically in the 2000s (decade).
IMHO, If I was in the "Sino-Khmer" Group that controlled 70% of the country by 1970, and got fucked over and lost 86% of MY TRIBE (425,000>>>61,400) ... THEN, when I had clawed my tribes way back into CONTROL, I would not give a fuck who got hurt nor how I did it. Sound reasonable ?
The Earth is degenerating these days. Bribery and corruption abound.
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and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching.
--Assyrian Stone Tablet, c.2800 BCE
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I really doubt those statistics are at all accurate. Because of the links between China and the resistance, the ethnic Chinese were repressed in the PRK period. Chinese languages weren't taught in schools, and Ethic Chinese were for the most part not allowed to work in civil service. So in 1984 if one were ethnic Chinese, you'd most likely hide it. I know a whole lot of Sino-Khmers, and most have lived here all their lives.Milord wrote: .... (in) early 1970s, they were the largest ethnic minority in Cambodia; there were an estimated 425,000. However, by 1984, there were only 61,400 Chinese Cambodians left. ....
IMHO, If I was in the "Sino-Khmer" Group that controlled 70% of the country by 1970, and got fucked over and lost 86% of MY TRIBE (425,000>>>61,400) ... THEN, when I had clawed my tribes way back into CONTROL, I would not give a fuck who got hurt nor how I did it. Sound reasonable ?
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
LL, setting numbers/stats aside, consider "Loss of Face" alone, Then would you agree? ... (control issue that is)
btw pls read the whole damn article. It's fascinating.
I'm sure you have read and talked more about this issue than I have. How else to explain the current state of affairs?
p.s.: interesting parallel with old Chinese hospital group controlling Chinese power and todays Red Cross structure.
pps: same banning of Jews from gov and banks in Euro-american countries till 60's. hence trade/teacher/lawyer focus
btw pls read the whole damn article. It's fascinating.
I'm sure you have read and talked more about this issue than I have. How else to explain the current state of affairs?
p.s.: interesting parallel with old Chinese hospital group controlling Chinese power and todays Red Cross structure.
pps: same banning of Jews from gov and banks in Euro-american countries till 60's. hence trade/teacher/lawyer focus
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Children no longer mind their parents, every man wants to write a book,
and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching.
--Assyrian Stone Tablet, c.2800 BCE
Children no longer mind their parents, every man wants to write a book,
and it is evident that the end of the world is fast approaching.
--Assyrian Stone Tablet, c.2800 BCE
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No, although many were city-dwellers, I don't believe the Chinese were singled out in the DK period. I also don't believe there is any vindictiveness on their part, they are primarily concerned with making money, as they always have been. I'll check the rest of the article later as I'm on my way out the door now.Milord wrote:LL, setting numbers/stats aside, consider "Loss of Face" alone, Then would you agree? ... (control issue that is)
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Exactly... however, one would hope as a planet we could learn from our mistakes. Later, after the world had figured out what fuckery that had been, a whole lot of money has been given in return. Treaty money is great (i wish more of the current generation of kids on the reservations would take advantage of it and go to school instead of becoming degenerate thug alcoholics) but there's a second aspect to the genocide of natives that people often overlook.Milord wrote:OD, I agree with your concerns for your in-laws, so understand my comments are not meant to undermine that situation.OrangeDragon wrote:Another issue i've seen is the definition of "state" land. I've cited in another thread my in-laws here. They worked their land since before the KR came, during, and now after... and are at risk. ...
..... it's just that in the west people are compensated with a fair market value instead of being driven out with clubs and guns.
How were your ancestors land claims treated? Honest question, I don't know your tribe. My guess is pretty shitty.
Once killing off a people fails, frequently the second approach is to breed them out of existence. Attack their bloodlines and their culture instead of their bodies. It's much less obvious at first. People give SR shit for his nationalism, but eventually when every khmer is really just a 75%+ vietnamese/thai who lives here... what's a khmer? it's already heavily the case here, with so many mixed... i can't really hate someone for trying to prevent a genocide of their people.
Tribes in america have caught on to this finally... but sadly really late in the game. Of native people in america, about 15% are still 100% blood... and for them marrying a white or one of us halfies is pretty much forbidden to try and preserve some of our race.
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Taking someones land is not a new issue in this world, it's been going on ever since man was created by GOD. In fact it was GOD that stole the land off the Palistinians and gave it to the jews.
I am just a nobody
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But one day I will be a somebody really important
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Interesting article in yesterday's PPP. More than 1000 hectares of community forest in Oddar Meanchey, designated for a carbon credit project, have been illegally seized and cleared-by villagers.
Fits in with what I have observed up there. The only illegal logging of native forest I have seen in Oddar Meanchey has come from local villagers, not land grabbing okhnas.
Waiting to see the reaction from the NGOs if authorities try to remove them from the land they have illegally seized.
Fits in with what I have observed up there. The only illegal logging of native forest I have seen in Oddar Meanchey has come from local villagers, not land grabbing okhnas.
Waiting to see the reaction from the NGOs if authorities try to remove them from the land they have illegally seized.
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There are very few mixed Thais here. There are some mixed Vietnamese - but there are far fewer Vietnamese here than the opposition/KR would like you to think. In general Khmers and Vietnamese don't intermarry anyway. There are quite a lot of Sino-Khmers, but then the Chinese have been settling here for almost a millennium.OrangeDragon wrote:
Once killing off a people fails, frequently the second approach is to breed them out of existence. Attack their bloodlines and their culture instead of their bodies. It's much less obvious at first. People give SR shit for his nationalism, but eventually when every khmer is really just a 75%+ vietnamese/thai who lives here... what's a khmer? it's already heavily the case here, with so many mixed... i can't really hate someone for trying to prevent a genocide of their people.
There have been Malays, Javanese, Chinese, Chams, Filipinos, Hilltribes and various other groups mixing with Khmers since the year dot, and there have been influxes of Portuguese, Spanish, English and French over the last 500 years. To speak of a "pure" Khmer race is just ridiculous, and I'm not sure where you're going with this ignorant nationalism.
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personally i think this approach to it is ignorant... however i didn't present any nationalism... at best it could be called racism, though in reality it was expressing an understanding of an attempt at cultural preservation.Lucky Lucan wrote:ignorant nationalism.
i know there's a lot of mixing (though i didn't know the exact breakdowns), even my wife looks a fair smidge more chinese than khmer (25% C / 75% K)... i simply see it as a culture wanting to prevent themselves from being bread into complete non existence. as mentioned, it's the tactic used against the native Americans to near success, and now THEY are in a panic because of it. hell it was the premise for that scottish william wallice movie...
it's no secret that it happens, nor is it a new concept. it's just a shame a culture wanting to prevent it is seen in such a negative light for doing so.
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....and a lot of the Vietnamese here are Catholics, so loved by the Vietnamese government.Lucky Lucan wrote:but there are far fewer Vietnamese here than the opposition/KR would like you to think
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Father, I have sinned.Uncle Monty wrote:....and a lot of the Vietnamese here are Catholics, so loved by the Vietnamese government.Lucky Lucan wrote:but there are far fewer Vietnamese here than the opposition/KR would like you to think
Say 20 Hai Maly's and do not sin again. Oh, and one other thing...
Yes, father?
Don't tell Mommy or Daddy about this, it's our seclet.
@OD: 'wanting to prevent themselves from being bread into complete non existence.'
Well that explains the knom pang. Jesus Crust!
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Yes, that might be a better term for it. You really need to stop believing that trash posted on sites like KI media. You're just presenting the same xenophobic crap that Pol Pot/Sam Rainsy have been spouting for decades. Sam Rainsy is half Vietnamese himself and Pol Pot was Sino-Khmer. I hope you realize that most of that content comes from completely out-of-touch overseas Cambodians who haven't been here in a long time and still think this country is a puppet-state of Vietnam.OrangeDragon wrote:personally i think this approach to it is ignorant... however i didn't present any nationalism... at best it could be called racism.Lucky Lucan wrote:ignorant nationalism.
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