Looks like we're back to our usual circular discussions. As I stated, I have never encountered anyone doing the work of an engineer (not a draughtsman, not a technical writer, not an engineering technician, not someone involved in IT, someone who actually works in a real engineering profession doing real engineering things) but who never attended a university in my 27 year career. I asked if you knew someone. You apparently don't. When I say "engineer", and using your example, I mean someone who does or can do the full structural analysis from the foundation through the footings through the columns, to the beams to the walls to the roof, and including things like wind load, snow load, seismic, etc., etc., etc. Not drawing them. Analyzing them and designing the rebar, concrete mix and all the other associated bits. Preparing the full structural design so that it's documented and can be submitted to the proper engineer for signing off. That's what I mean.OrangeDragon wrote:No, they just have to make the drawing and hand it to the 1 'engineer' on the team to look over and sign off on. In such a way you can have 20 people doing the work with 1 staff 'engineer' just signing off on it.Jacked Camry wrote:Dude, you're still talking IT. When you find someone working as a civil/mechanical/geotechnical/metallurgical/electrical engineer, then let me know. And the licensing issues are not stoic. They're related to liability. For example, you CANNOT submit engineering drawings for a building without a signature and stamp from a registered Professional Engineer in the USA or Canada. Cannot. Under any circumstances. Rejected. So while it would in theory be possible for a self-taught civil engineer to design the thing, he/she'd have had to go through the whole licensing rigamarole to be able to be registered and have the right to submit the drawing for approval.OrangeDragon wrote:http://www.geek.com/news/engineers-with ... ee-554635/Jacked Camry wrote: If you could send the link that would be good, but I strongly suspect that "science and engineering employees" does not equal "engineers", in other words, there are very few of those people who would be working as defacto or accredited engineers. I know that in my 27 year career that I have never met one.
unfortunately i didn't check the date, and now the source report it links to seems to be a dead link, and the NSF website is fuckall useless to try and navigate for finding it.
Like i'd said, it was just a quick google with some information that seemed relevant. it's altogether likely they're doing engineering work, but not CALLING themselves engineers to avoid stoic licensure issues, but you know... still doing engineering.
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sorry... i was referring to your "For example, you CANNOT submit engineering drawings for a building without a signature and stamp from a registered Professional Engineer in the USA or Canada. Cannot." segment. And explaining how you can. You just employ 1 engineer who does nothing all day but review and sign off on the work the 'not engineers' are doing.
Structural engineering was never my thing... and I can't say I know any people in that industry one way or another. Only mechanical engineering. And I know plenty of guys designing and building heavy industrial mechanical equipment without their engineering degrees. I built the software the machines ran on in fact...
Structural engineering was never my thing... and I can't say I know any people in that industry one way or another. Only mechanical engineering. And I know plenty of guys designing and building heavy industrial mechanical equipment without their engineering degrees. I built the software the machines ran on in fact...
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No, because the "not engineers" in that scenario are actually students or graduates - still formally studying engineering - at various stages in their careers.OrangeDragon wrote:You just employ 1 engineer who does nothing all day but review and sign off on the work the 'not engineers' are doing.
JC's guy sounds like the Indiana Jones of Architecture... in a mech eng environment that whole match would be done by a team, headed by a chief engineer, who would pass-off the team's work. You wouldn't make the team without formal study and qualification.
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Okay, fair enough. For the mechanical design, I would again suggest that this works for some things, but you'd never design an airplane that way.OrangeDragon wrote:sorry... i was referring to your "For example, you CANNOT submit engineering drawings for a building without a signature and stamp from a registered Professional Engineer in the USA or Canada. Cannot." segment. And explaining how you can. You just employ 1 engineer who does nothing all day but review and sign off on the work the 'not engineers' are doing.
Structural engineering was never my thing... and I can't say I know any people in that industry one way or another. Only mechanical engineering. And I know plenty of guys designing and building heavy industrial mechanical equipment without their engineering degrees. I built the software the machines ran on in fact...
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For a guy who claims to be opposed to racism, you make a lot of posts using the term "chink."vladimir wrote: It's interesting that Nigerians/Africans are often singled out here in what is a clearly racist way, but people squeal about sexism when a (Jewish) female is given her due for writing boring stuff.
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Depends on how big the job is. If you're talking about a high rise, then you'd have a team. If it's a house, one guy could do it. I've done it myself for reasonably sized hydraulic structures, it's a bit of a bitch, but as an engineer, you have to know how to do the whole 9 yards. It's become a lot easier now with CAD systems.Chuangt2u wrote:No, because the "not engineers" in that scenario are actually students or graduates - still formally studying engineering - at various stages in their careers.OrangeDragon wrote:You just employ 1 engineer who does nothing all day but review and sign off on the work the 'not engineers' are doing.
JC's guy sounds like the Indiana Jones of Architecture... in a mech eng environment that whole match would be done by a team, headed by a chief engineer, who would pass-off the team's work. You wouldn't make the team without formal study and qualification.
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Someone look out the window. Any flying pigs?vladimir wrote:I would, however, agree with JC
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Yeah, you punk Saffer.gavinmac wrote:For a guy who claims to be opposed to racism, you make a lot of posts using the term "chink."vladimir wrote: It's interesting that Nigerians/Africans are often singled out here in what is a clearly racist way, but people squeal about sexism when a (Jewish) female is given her due for writing boring stuff.
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Thank you for pointing that out. We all need help in doing the right thing occasionally.
Chinks is only meant to refer to those people that are killing the wildlife and stealing/destroying resources in many countries worldwide.
Their behaviour has earned them this title.
HR: I somewhat doubt an Ozzie has room to talk about punkishness on a Cambodian forum. Keep it for the phone-time and bar invasions/dumping illegal immigrants section.
Chinks is only meant to refer to those people that are killing the wildlife and stealing/destroying resources in many countries worldwide.
Their behaviour has earned them this title.
HR: I somewhat doubt an Ozzie has room to talk about punkishness on a Cambodian forum. Keep it for the phone-time and bar invasions/dumping illegal immigrants section.
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No it hasn't. You are conflating an ethnic group with a nation.vladimir wrote: Their behaviour has earned them this title.
Usage of highly charged racial slurs prevent rational debate and cause unnecessary and maybe even unintended offense. You should scrub this word from your lexicon, just as one should never use "the n word". Just because you will get beat up less using one than the other, doesn't make one word more acceptable than the other.
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Is it acceptable for a Chinese person to use the "C" word-Chink, not cunt- just as some African Americans believe they are justified in reclaiming the "N" word?
I am a fan of the chinkstronaut Eddie Huang. If you haven't seen his show Fresh off the Boat, have a look on youtube. It would be great if he made an episode in Cambodia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fANM7Yooiw8
I am a fan of the chinkstronaut Eddie Huang. If you haven't seen his show Fresh off the Boat, have a look on youtube. It would be great if he made an episode in Cambodia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fANM7Yooiw8
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I was talking about the Chinese nationals that kill wildlife for medical/sex potions/exotic foods and those who rape the environment. They are Chinks.If it makes you any happier, Americans or Khmers who do the same thing also get labelled. Their countrymen who don't participate do not deserve such a label.Capital_9 wrote:No it hasn't. You are conflating an ethnic group with a nation.vladimir wrote: Their behaviour has earned them this title.
Usage of highly charged racial slurs prevent rational debate and cause unnecessary and maybe even unintended offense. You should scrub this word from your lexicon, just as one should never use "the n word". Just because you will get beat up less using one than the other, doesn't make one word more acceptable than the other.
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