Dutch-Kiwi, Willemijn Vermaat, destroys statue at Angkor Wat
Released later and has left Cambodia
http://www.cambodiadaily.com/news/touri ... tue-69638/
http://www.cambodiadaily.com/news/touri ... tue-69638/
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I thought this quote from Chakara Lim of the New Zealand Khmer Trust took the biscuit:
So a statue can become Buddha? I think this guy has missed the point completely. In the early years of Buddhism, the Buddha wasn't even represented in any kind of human form. That only came about much later with the Greco-Hellenistic influenced Gandhara culture. Since then the Buddha has often been portrayed in a human form. It's dumb idolatry to think that the statue is actually anything other than a focal point for worship.Chakara Lim wrote:There are mainly new statues there that have had a ritual process to become Buddha, as well as old stone ones that are big. But most of the old ones have been damaged or removed.
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There are millions of people living in America, for example, of Irish, Italian, German etc. extraction. Why, in the event of negative publicity, should they focus on their country of origin despite the fact that they may have lived in the US/NZ for 100 years or more?Bosco wrote:According to her Facebook page she works for the Sustainability Trust. Quite ironic. I'm surprised no Kiwi's have disowned her obviously Dutch name, Willemijn Vermaat, as yet.
The woman is a citizen of NZ. End.
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Strange as it might seem, the first images of Buddha were actually images of Jesus. Jesus had been living for many years in Kashmir as a revered Buddhist monk but died around the time of the 4th Buddhist Synod was held there in 72AD. The synod was looking at ways to help the Sangha to differentiate itself from other competing religions. They had been using the wheel and a tree as symbols, but both of those symbols were already prominent Hindu symbols.Lucky Lucan wrote:I thought this quote from Chakara Lim of the New Zealand Khmer Trust took the biscuit:
So a statue can become Buddha? I think this guy has missed the point completely. In the early years of Buddhism, the Buddha wasn't even represented in any kind of human form. That only came about much later with the Greco-Hellenistic influenced Gandhara culture. Since then the Buddha has often been portrayed in a human form. It's dumb idolatry to think that the statue is actually anything other than a focal point for worship.Chakara Lim wrote:There are mainly new statues there that have had a ritual process to become Buddha, as well as old stone ones that are big. But most of the old ones have been damaged or removed.
It was fortuitous, then, that the revered monk Jesus passed away when he did. For some time it had already been the fashion to make amulets of revered monks, as it still is today, particularly in Thailand but elsewhere in the Buddhist world, so while looking for a symbol to promote Buddhism the synod struck upon the idea of representing Buddha as a human. They were looking for a model, particularly one who had a range of unique features, when Jesus died and the first images were made of him. Jesus had such remarkable scars as the healed wounds of his pierced hands and feet received during his crucifixion, and both features were incorporated into the new icon as the typical swirls in the centre of the hands and feet of intricate Buddhist images.
There are some references to the dates of the 4th Buddhist Synod (or Council) here... http://www.gktoday.in/buddhist-councils/
And some academic waffling about the evolution of the Buddha image here... http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-ADM/huntin.htm
As well as some historical details to the life of Jesus in Kashmir here... http://www.searchkashmir.org/2009/05/or ... t-yus.html
But I can't actually find any reference to the book from where I garnered most of this information which was called "Jesus of Kashmir". There are numerous references to "Jesus In Kashmir", but that ain't the book I'm looking for, so you'll just have to take my word for it, Jesus actually is Buddha...
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Whoa, I'll have what he's having.Falcon Randwick wrote:Strange as it might seem, the first images of Buddha were actually images of Jesus. Jesus had been living for many years in Kashmir as a revered Buddhist monk but died around the time of the 4th Buddhist Synod was held there in 72AD. The synod was looking at ways to help the Sangha to differentiate itself from other competing religions. They had been using the wheel and a tree as symbols, but both of those symbols were already prominent Hindu symbols.Lucky Lucan wrote:I thought this quote from Chakara Lim of the New Zealand Khmer Trust took the biscuit:
So a statue can become Buddha? I think this guy has missed the point completely. In the early years of Buddhism, the Buddha wasn't even represented in any kind of human form. That only came about much later with the Greco-Hellenistic influenced Gandhara culture. Since then the Buddha has often been portrayed in a human form. It's dumb idolatry to think that the statue is actually anything other than a focal point for worship.Chakara Lim wrote:There are mainly new statues there that have had a ritual process to become Buddha, as well as old stone ones that are big. But most of the old ones have been damaged or removed.
It was fortuitous, then, that the revered monk Jesus passed away when he did. For some time it had already been the fashion to make amulets of revered monks, as it still is today, particularly in Thailand but elsewhere in the Buddhist world, so while looking for a symbol to promote Buddhism the synod struck upon the idea of representing Buddha as a human. They were looking for a model, particularly one who had a range of unique features, when Jesus died and the first images were made of him. Jesus had such remarkable scars as the healed wounds of his pierced hands and feet received during his crucifixion, and both features were incorporated into the new icon as the typical swirls in the centre of the hands and feet of intricate Buddhist images.
There are some references to the dates of the 4th Buddhist Synod (or Council) here... http://www.gktoday.in/buddhist-councils/
And some academic waffling about the evolution of the Buddha image here... http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-ADM/huntin.htm
As well as some historical details to the life of Jesus in Kashmir here... http://www.searchkashmir.org/2009/05/or ... t-yus.html
But I can't actually find any reference to the book from where I garnered most of this information which was called "Jesus of Kashmir". There are numerous references to "Jesus In Kashmir", but that ain't the book I'm looking for, so you'll just have to take my word for it, Jesus actually is Buddha...
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bigphatt + sailors + fairiesbigphatt wrote:has the world stopped spinning ?
I thought every single NZer was a fairy godmother..
SHATTERED !!!!
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Lucky Lucan wrote:I thought this quote from Chakara Lim of the New Zealand Khmer Trust took the biscuit:
So a statue can become Buddha? I think this guy has missed the point completely. In the early years of Buddhism, the Buddha wasn't even represented in any kind of human form. That only came about much later with the Greco-Hellenistic influenced Gandhara culture. Since then the Buddha has often been portrayed in a human form. It's dumb idolatry to think that the statue is actually anything other than a focal point for worship.Chakara Lim wrote:There are mainly new statues there that have had a ritual process to become Buddha, as well as old stone ones that are big. But most of the old ones have been damaged or removed.
You're talking about Theravadan doctrine only, though. The statues (rupas) at Angkor were made initially by Hindus and then Mahayana Buddhists. In those schools of thought a statue becomes 'empowered' through a special ceremony by which the material object becomes a very real and immediate representation of the god, buddha or bodhisattva, indistinguishable from the being.
Today, Tibetan Buddhism strongly adheres to this belief, whereas Zen was a strong reaction against it.
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There is a book called Jesus Lived in India by Holger Kersten. I think this is the most popular English language book on the subject, but there is another German book called Starb Jesus in Kaschmir? Das Geheimnis seines Lebens und Wirkens in Indien.Falcon Randwick wrote:Strange as it might seem, the first images of Buddha were actually images of Jesus. Jesus had been living for many years in Kashmir as a revered Buddhist monk but died around the time of the 4th Buddhist Synod was held there in 72AD. The synod was looking at ways to help the Sangha to differentiate itself from other competing religions. They had been using the wheel and a tree as symbols, but both of those symbols were already prominent Hindu symbols.Lucky Lucan wrote:I thought this quote from Chakara Lim of the New Zealand Khmer Trust took the biscuit:
So a statue can become Buddha? I think this guy has missed the point completely. In the early years of Buddhism, the Buddha wasn't even represented in any kind of human form. That only came about much later with the Greco-Hellenistic influenced Gandhara culture. Since then the Buddha has often been portrayed in a human form. It's dumb idolatry to think that the statue is actually anything other than a focal point for worship.Chakara Lim wrote:There are mainly new statues there that have had a ritual process to become Buddha, as well as old stone ones that are big. But most of the old ones have been damaged or removed.
It was fortuitous, then, that the revered monk Jesus passed away when he did. For some time it had already been the fashion to make amulets of revered monks, as it still is today, particularly in Thailand but elsewhere in the Buddhist world, so while looking for a symbol to promote Buddhism the synod struck upon the idea of representing Buddha as a human. They were looking for a model, particularly one who had a range of unique features, when Jesus died and the first images were made of him. Jesus had such remarkable scars as the healed wounds of his pierced hands and feet received during his crucifixion, and both features were incorporated into the new icon as the typical swirls in the centre of the hands and feet of intricate Buddhist images.
There are some references to the dates of the 4th Buddhist Synod (or Council) here... http://www.gktoday.in/buddhist-councils/
And some academic waffling about the evolution of the Buddha image here... http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-ADM/huntin.htm
As well as some historical details to the life of Jesus in Kashmir here... http://www.searchkashmir.org/2009/05/or ... t-yus.html
But I can't actually find any reference to the book from where I garnered most of this information which was called "Jesus of Kashmir". There are numerous references to "Jesus In Kashmir", but that ain't the book I'm looking for, so you'll just have to take my word for it, Jesus actually is Buddha...
If you go to Srinigar, you can visit the tomb. I went there myself in the early 90s.
Kiwi admits smashing Buddha statue in Cambodian temple.
A New Zealand woman accused of destroying a Buddha statue at the ancient Angkor Wat temple complex in Cambodia has admitted doing it because it "didn't belong" in the temple....wtf
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=11342146
A New Zealand woman accused of destroying a Buddha statue at the ancient Angkor Wat temple complex in Cambodia has admitted doing it because it "didn't belong" in the temple....wtf
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=11342146
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