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2.7 million tons of bombs on a country with a population less than New York, 30% displaced. Oh yeah, 'collateral damage'
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Different times. People remembered the blitz in the 1980s. I doubt many people remember the 70s bombs here, possibly because most died in the Carnage afterwards, for which, again, I'd argue snooky was more responsible for than Nixon/kissenger.
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It's more profitable to continue the war than win it and discontinue.
A continuing war also legitimises troop presence and airfields close to Pakistan and Iran.
Only an idiot who had never read history would ever think a conventional war in Afghanistan was winnable anyway.
Wonder what Rambo would have to say.
A continuing war also legitimises troop presence and airfields close to Pakistan and Iran.
Only an idiot who had never read history would ever think a conventional war in Afghanistan was winnable anyway.
Wonder what Rambo would have to say.
Trump is a genius!
Rambo would say something like this, I imagine:
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Why would you argue that?pedros wrote:Different times. People remembered the blitz in the 1980s. I doubt many people remember the 70s bombs here, possibly because most died in the Carnage afterwards, for which, again, I'd argue snooky was more responsible for than Nixon/kissenger.
You doubt many people remember the 70s bombs here? Really? Not the survivors I have spoken to.
A Blitz survivor can remember explicit details, a Vietnam vet gets unquestioning acceptance, Holocaust survivor gets instant credibility, but Cambodians have shite memories?
Because it suits you, or because you think it's conveniently true?
Can you back up whichever option with facts?
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I think he means that a large part of the population here were born after the 70's and many of the people who lived through the KR and bad times really don't talk about it much - especially with younger people.maven wrote:Why would you argue that?pedros wrote:Different times. People remembered the blitz in the 1980s. I doubt many people remember the 70s bombs here, possibly because most died in the Carnage afterwards, for which, again, I'd argue snooky was more responsible for than Nixon/kissenger.
You doubt many people remember the 70s bombs here? Really? Not the survivors I have spoken to.
A Blitz survivor can remember explicit details, a Vietnam vet gets unquestioning acceptance, Holocaust survivor gets instant credibility, but Cambodians have shite memories?
Because it suits you, or because you think it's conveniently true?
Can you back up whichever option with facts?
I've actually found it hard finding out family details or getting information of what happened in the KR times here with our family members as lots of the younger family who I could ask don't really know.
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I've often talked to older Cambodians and they all know what a "bey-ha-be" is.
Great video of Nixon visiting, some pretty stony-faced soldiers around!
Great video of Nixon visiting, some pretty stony-faced soldiers around!
The source for those figures later revised them down to around 500,000 tons.kinard wrote:2.7 million tons of bombs on a country
http://apjjf.org/Ben-Kiernan/4313.htmlOur 2006 article, “Bombs over Cambodia,” using the same database and analysis, calculated a figure of 2.7 million tons dropped on Cambodia in 1965-75.15 Our estimate, published in the Canadian magazine The Walrus, and in 2007 in The Asia-Pacific Journal, was widely quoted.16
But in 2010 we corrected that estimate, here in The Asia-Pacific Journal. We revised it back down to around 500,000 tons.17 In doing so we took account of the mistaken technical analysis that had impacted bombing tonnage estimates for both Laos and Cambodia.
I think the relationship has been good for the past couple of decades, a lot of recent talk has been unnecessary and damaging, especially given the nature of the current US administration.pedros wrote:Maybe it's just me, but 40 odd years does seem a long time ago, and, although I'm not a huge fan of us foreign policy, one must admit there have been some positive things from Uncle Sam in Cambodia in the past 20.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
Why the current administration? The Trump Administration has zero interest in promoting democracy or sanctioning non-democratic heads of state aside from "rocket man". The current US Ambassador to Cambodia is a holdover from the Obama admin, and is still occasionally spouting off some vague babble about "democratic values"to make himself look like a champion of the powerless like he thinks Ambassadors are supposed to do. He's definitely not doing that at Trump's bidding. It was the previous administration that did most of the relationship damage with long-standing US allies like the Philippines and Cambodia while bending over for China and cozying up to Iran.Lucky Lucan wrote:I think the relationship has been good for the past couple of decades, a lot of recent talk has been unnecessary and damaging, especially given the nature of the current US administration.
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I agree with much of what you say, I just have a feeling that the current administration might be a little less tolerant of the open criticism of the US we've seen recently. The reaction to the UN's stance on Jerusalem was interesting. The US can easily make a huge dent on local exports at a few strokes of a pen. Cambodia needs to keep on a good footing with the international community and build up trade, nor isolate itself.Edwardo wrote:Why the current administration? The Trump Administration has zero interest in promoting democracy or sanctioning non-democratic heads of state aside from "rocket man". The current US Ambassador to Cambodia is a holdover from the Obama admin, and is still occasionally spouting off some vague babble about "democratic values"to make himself look like a champion of the powerless like he thinks Ambassadors are supposed to do. He's definitely not doing that at Trump's bidding. It was the previous administration that did most of the relationship damage with long-standing US allies like the Philippines and Cambodia while bending over for China and cozying up to Iran.Lucky Lucan wrote:I think the relationship has been good for the past couple of decades, a lot of recent talk has been unnecessary and damaging, especially given the nature of the current US administration.
As for the bombing, it might have been excessive but the country was in crisis and overrun by PAVN/ NLF by 1970 and eventually the local FUNK forces. The US air support was the only thing that kept the republic alive for a long time. One thing that never seems to be mentioned much is the role of the Khmer Republics "Khmer Air Force". They didn't seem to have anything too heavy, T-28s and Spooky gunships and Bell Hueys were their main aircraft, but they did a fair amount of damage too.
There are loads of bombing maps available for Cambodia because of US information laws, but they only show one side. The PAVN airforce did bombing raids during the 80s too, often targeting camps straddling the border. The Thais regularly shelled and bombed these areas too, while supplying Chinese/ German/ Singaporean etc arms to the "resistance"forces. There is a whole smorgasbord of weapons and buried UXOs out there, luckily it is decreasing but it can't all be blamed on one country.
Romantic Cambodia is dead and gone. It's with McKinley in the grave.
“The still-incomplete [Pentagon] database (it has several “dark” periods) reveals that . . . over 10 per cent of this bombing was indiscriminate, with 3,580 of the sites listed as having “unknown” targets and another 8,238 sites having no target listed at all …Lucky Lucan wrote:The source for those figures later revised them down to around 500,000 tons.kinard wrote:2.7 million tons of bombs on a country
“Cambodia became in 1969-73 one of the most heavily-bombarded countries in history (along with North Korea, South Vietnam, and Laos).
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Data shows 15,488 shot dead in U.S. in 2017.
Published: 02/01/2018
WASHINGTON, Jan. 1 (Xinhua) -- 15,488 people were shot dead across the United States in 2017, according to the latest data published Monday by tracking website Gun Violence Archive.
The country witnessed a total of 61,089 shooting incidents, which took 15,488 lives while left 31,058 wounded in the past year, the data shows.
Among the dead and injured, 727 were children under 11 years old and more than 3,200 were teens aged from 12 to 17
U.S. Boy in jail after killing parents, sister on New Year Eve.
Published: 02/01/2018
WASHINGTON, Jan. 1 (Xinhua) -- Fifteen minutes before the arrival of the year 2018, shots fired at a home in northeastern U.S. state of New Jersey, leaving four people dead and a 16-year-old boy in jail.
Among the dead were the boy's parents and 18-year-old sister, Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office said in a news release on Monday.
The fourth dead is a 70-year-old person who lived with the family.
Investigators believe a "Century Arms semiautomatic rifle" was used in the deadly shooting, according to the new release.
It's unclear whether anyone else was in the house at the time of the shooting. The motive of the killing is also under investigation
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yes so its being investigated and so that makes it all ok sure glad it you not me being in that place
Published: 02/01/2018
WASHINGTON, Jan. 1 (Xinhua) -- 15,488 people were shot dead across the United States in 2017, according to the latest data published Monday by tracking website Gun Violence Archive.
The country witnessed a total of 61,089 shooting incidents, which took 15,488 lives while left 31,058 wounded in the past year, the data shows.
Among the dead and injured, 727 were children under 11 years old and more than 3,200 were teens aged from 12 to 17
U.S. Boy in jail after killing parents, sister on New Year Eve.
Published: 02/01/2018
WASHINGTON, Jan. 1 (Xinhua) -- Fifteen minutes before the arrival of the year 2018, shots fired at a home in northeastern U.S. state of New Jersey, leaving four people dead and a 16-year-old boy in jail.
Among the dead were the boy's parents and 18-year-old sister, Monmouth County Prosecutor's Office said in a news release on Monday.
The fourth dead is a 70-year-old person who lived with the family.
Investigators believe a "Century Arms semiautomatic rifle" was used in the deadly shooting, according to the new release.
It's unclear whether anyone else was in the house at the time of the shooting. The motive of the killing is also under investigation
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yes so its being investigated and so that makes it all ok sure glad it you not me being in that place
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Most things I think same way, but this part I strongly desagree.Lucky Lucan wrote:As for the bombing, it might have been excessive but the country was in crisis and overrun by PAVN/ NLF by 1970 and eventually the local FUNK forces. The US air support was the only thing that kept the republic alive for a long time. One thing that never seems to be mentioned much is the role of the Khmer Republics "Khmer Air Force". They didn't seem to have anything too heavy, T-28s and Spooky gunships and Bell Hueys were their main aircraft, but they did a fair amount of damage too.
There are loads of bombing maps available for Cambodia because of US information laws, but they only show one side. The PAVN airforce did bombing raids during the 80s too, often targeting camps straddling the border. The Thais regularly shelled and bombed these areas too, while supplying Chinese/ German/ Singaporean etc arms to the "resistance"forces. There is a whole smorgasbord of weapons and buried UXOs out there, luckily it is decreasing but it can't all be blamed on one country.
Situation wasnt easy in Cambodia late -60s. How that can be, neiberhood world bigest militarypower try win small country army. And lost soldiers all time.
Losts have to be reason! Laos and Cambodia must help enemy! Laos isint broblem, but on Cambodia have this Prince/primeminister how have connections. So goverment is wrong side, lets help somebody how want to become new leader...
Now there is goverment how doesent care small bombings rattanakiri area. That goverment stay happy as long dollars and weapons aid coming on time.
After first bombings people on countryside even didnt know how or why there come bic airplanes on sky. Before goverment planes atac time after time but not this scale. That was breiking point rise of Khmer Rouge. People have two choice, escape to cities or join rebels. What you think how separation go? Young health people go fight, last escape to relatives or slums in bigest cities.
That part is true allso my oppinion, not only US was responsible. China build connections between Rouge and Sihanouk. That explain why allso non communists (maybe should say noin political?) People allso join "revolution" .
US can explain black to white if want, but without them actions I cant see how Khmer Rouge get support to win sivil war. That Time S-E asia was many players but US was key player Cambodian situation.
Somebody say that people doesent remember bombings so well anymore. Well, here in Cambodian-Thai border I speak sometimes older people. And usually they still wonder how that was possible that time and why so few farangs/barangs even know what happend that time? Everybody ask Pol Pot and horror time but nobody ask things what went wrong before that.
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