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Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:29 pm
by YaTingPom
kinard wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:59 pm
YaTingPom wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:42 pm
It’s not in China’s benefit to force countries to be in their debt for life. If the countries struggle to pay off loans then it hampers development.

That’s the whole point of the Belt and Road - increase trade, invest in infrastructure so those countries are developed to then, yes you guessed it, by more Chinese products that are shipped by that same route.

It’s not fucking rocket science.
China throws a lot of aid around the planet in the way of infrastructure, loans, the hospital ship etc... and no, you don't see them calling it in. The Chinese like to cultivate meaningful relationships in business and everything for the most part, runs smoothly, though they can be easily offended.

I recall someone saying to me that the Chinese will take over the world (in the economic sense)and we agreed it was inevitable, given China's economic growth and our growing dependency on her.

It could be termed passive imperialism, but I don't have a problem with it.
Unless you think about it (in a discussion) you’d not notice and it won’t effect your life.
You’ll still be able to get 50c beers and cheap hookers!

Like I’ve said. Lots of anti Chinese rhetoric being thrown around - like they give a flying fuck.
They are in control and will be for. Ever.

If it’s not them it’ll be the Germans, Japanese, India etc etc. Who cares.

Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:01 pm
by kinard
YaTingPom wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:14 am
It’s a pretty small part of the park. 6km?
4%

Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:36 pm
by Lucky Lucan
YaTingPom wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:29 pm

You’ll still be able to get 50c beers and cheap hookers!
I'm a bit out of the loop but how is that even possible these days? Walk around Wat Phnom with a bag of cans?

Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:39 pm
by vladimir
YaTingPom wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:29 pm
Like I’ve said. Lots of anti Chinese rhetoric being thrown around - like they give a flying fuck.
They are in control and will be for. Ever.

If it’s not them it’ll be the Germans, Japanese, India etc etc. Who cares.
Indeed, America dumped Africa, and only started vocalising stuff when China/Russia got involved.

Piss, or get off the pot.

Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:21 pm
by over the rainbow
read;
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Based on interviews with Chinese defectors and newly declassified, previously undisclosed national security documents, The Hundred-Year Marathon reveals China's secret strategy to supplant the United States as the world's dominant power, and to do so by 2049, the one-hundredth anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic.
year 2049 is fast approaching

Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:51 pm
by spitthedog
over the rainbow wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:21 pm
read;
Image
Based on interviews with Chinese defectors and newly declassified, previously undisclosed national security documents, The Hundred-Year Marathon reveals China's secret strategy to supplant the United States as the world's dominant power, and to do so by 2049, the one-hundredth anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic.
year 2049 is fast approaching
Unlike the U.S, the Chinese stock market is actually down quite abit since the financial crisis.

The smart money, clearly doesnt share this optimism.

Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:59 am
by Johnsell50
Clearly, they are not doing this from the goodness of their heart. And no, I do not hate the Chinese. I think this is a very smart move. Why go to war with countries when you can buy them? I don't think it is very smart of the countries to take on debt they can't pay back, including many in America. Yes, many of these poor countries need better infrastructure but they are selling their future to get it. When China finally needs something from the rulers of these countries, like China's rule of the China sea and contested islands, or trade deals in South America: which way do you think they are going to lean?

Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:59 am
by kinard
Johnsell50 wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:59 am
I don't think it is very smart of the countries to take on debt they can't pay back, including many in America. Yes, many of these poor countries need better infrastructure but they are selling their future to get it...
It may not be smart but these countries need the aid/cash and it's symptomatic of poorer nations to think of the 'now' as the future looks pretty grim.

Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:49 am
by YaTingPom
Lucky Lucan wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:36 pm
YaTingPom wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:29 pm

You’ll still be able to get 50c beers and cheap hookers!
I'm a bit out of the loop but how is that even possible these days? Walk around Wat Phnom with a bag of cans?
Not everything revolves around PP.

Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:51 am
by YaTingPom
kinard wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:59 am
Johnsell50 wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:59 am
I don't think it is very smart of the countries to take on debt they can't pay back, including many in America. Yes, many of these poor countries need better infrastructure but they are selling their future to get it...
It may not be smart but these countries need the aid/cash and it's symptomatic of poorer nations to think of the 'now' as the future looks pretty grim.
It’s not like individuals to get into debt now is it...

The world operates on debt.

Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:21 pm
by Johnsell50
YaTingPom wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:51 am
kinard wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:59 am
Johnsell50 wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:59 am
I don't think it is very smart of the countries to take on debt they can't pay back, including many in America. Yes, many of these poor countries need better infrastructure but they are selling their future to get it...
It may not be smart but these countries need the aid/cash and it's symptomatic of poorer nations to think of the 'now' as the future looks pretty grim.
It’s not like individuals to get into debt now is it...

The world operates on debt.
There is good debt, and bad debt. Good is what you do for a temporary fix and know you will be able to pay off someday. Bad is what you can look at and know your great grandchildren will never be able to pay off and just don't care. For an individual this means bankruptcy and sometimes losing your assets. For a country it is not that simple. You either have to find a way to pay if it is ever called in, or nationalize the assets you went into debt to buy or build. This has been done before and usaullly has not worked out well.

Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:58 pm
by black69wolf69
kinard wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:59 pm
YaTingPom wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:42 pm
It’s not in China’s benefit to force countries to be in their debt for life. If the countries struggle to pay off loans then it hampers development.

That’s the whole point of the Belt and Road - increase trade, invest in infrastructure so those countries are developed to then, yes you guessed it, by more Chinese products that are shipped by that same route.

It’s not fucking rocket science.
China throws a lot of aid around the planet in the way of infrastructure, loans, the hospital ship etc... and no, you don't see them calling it in. The Chinese like to cultivate meaningful relationships in business and everything for the most part, runs smoothly, though they can be easily offended.

I recall someone saying to me that the Chinese will take over the world (in the economic sense)and we agreed it was inevitable, given China's economic growth and our growing dependency on her.

It could be termed passive imperialism, but I don't have a problem with it.
You should be, because it's imperialism 2.0 and this time round, the Chinese don't want barangs like you. You'll be tossed aside like a piece of used trash. That's if the Chinese don't laugh at your big nose and hide in the bushes while shouting "helllloooooo!" when they walk past you.

Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:06 pm
by black69wolf69
Johnsell50 wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:59 am
Clearly, they are not doing this from the goodness of their heart. And no, I do not hate the Chinese. I think this is a very smart move. Why go to war with countries when you can buy them? I don't think it is very smart of the countries to take on debt they can't pay back, including many in America. Yes, many of these poor countries need better infrastructure but they are selling their future to get it. When China finally needs something from the rulers of these countries, like China's rule of the China sea and contested islands, or trade deals in South America: which way do you think they are going to lean?
It's got nothing to do with hating the Chinese, but the Chinese are making themselves unpopular with these investments.

It's much more than merely building infrastructure, first of all, in places like Ream comes environmental destruction. Why the hell are investments like this approved inside supposed "protected" zones? I thought destroying national parks was supposed to be going the way of the dodo? Even in China, the country's leaders are preventing infrastructure developments from being built in sensitive areas.

These developers and the Cambodian government clearly have no morals and don't give a crap about destroying the environment. They won't stop until every inch of Cambodian forest is razed to the ground and Cambodia's average temperature is 5 degrees higher than it is now, with no more agriculture being possible and the place is basically just a larger version of Guangzhou or Hong Kong.

I'm also concerned about the fact that each of these projects brings in hundreds of thousands of Chinese to settle there. Did anyone ask the permission of the Cambodian people if they would like to have all these foreign Chinese as their neighbors? Imagine if hundreds of thousands of barang were transplanted to a new city built in China. Or Nigerians or Somalians or Indians for that matter. Would the Chinese be OK with that? If not, why do other countries have to accept hundreds of thousands of Chinese settlers in their countries?

None of this makes any sense. It's completely bizarre. No other country does anything this insane.

Now I am totally against the US strategy of domination by making war, but this Chinese approach isn't any better, it's simply Neo-colonialism.

Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:57 pm
by violet
If it is neo colonialism is PB a fan? Or is colonialism vs neo co like the difference between bearded men then and now?

Re: Chinese Sign off on "$ Billions" New City in Ream

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:03 pm
by black69wolf69
violet wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:57 pm
If it is neo colonialism is PB a fan? Or is colonialism vs neo co like the difference between bearded men then and now?
Not sure, just semantics probably. But whatever the "correct" terminology may be, it's a form of colonialism and should get us concerned. The locals are certainly becoming very concerned. Anyway, the full effects of all this won't be known for some years to come as few of these Chinese backed mega projects have been completed. The only one that has, King Romans in Laos, is nothing in terms of scale compared to any of the ones in Cambodia or Myanmar, that are currently under construction.