One Belt, One Road Disaster! 500 Ghost Towns in Cambodia, Billions Invested Lost
I see the structural engineers and financial gurus are in full retard mode on 440.
Those building will not fall down. They won't rot and they won't be knocked down. The structural integrity isn't compromised because there's no facade on the front! lol
Concrete protects the rebar and neutralizes the rust (go look it up). The only reason concrete and rebar blows out is defects during manufacture, and that can be fixed.
I am well aware of the shit show in SHV. I don't live there or have any ties, and will never return. But the same old tedious replies to the same old misinformed stories is very tiresome.
Those building will not fall down. They won't rot and they won't be knocked down. The structural integrity isn't compromised because there's no facade on the front! lol
Concrete protects the rebar and neutralizes the rust (go look it up). The only reason concrete and rebar blows out is defects during manufacture, and that can be fixed.
I am well aware of the shit show in SHV. I don't live there or have any ties, and will never return. But the same old tedious replies to the same old misinformed stories is very tiresome.
Lest you be seen to be one more of said retards, could you explain further?stewie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:11 amI see the structural engineers and financial gurus are in full retard mode on 440.
Those building will not fall down. They won't rot and they won't be knocked down. The structural integrity isn't compromised because there's no facade on the front! lol
Concrete protects the rebar and neutralizes the rust (go look it up). The only reason concrete and rebar blows out is defects during manufacture, and that can be fixed.
I am well aware of the shit show in SHV. I don't live there or have any ties, and will never return. But the same old tedious replies to the same old misinformed stories is very tiresome.
I know nothing myself, but have spoken to people in construction who say given the corrupt/inferior purchasing practices for materials such as concrete, water will indeed find a way into the rebar in that climate.
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Well that's us told. Structural engineers might disagee:stewie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:11 amI see the structural engineers and financial gurus are in full retard mode on 440.
Those building will not fall down. They won't rot and they won't be knocked down. The structural integrity isn't compromised because there's no facade on the front! lol
Concrete protects the rebar and neutralizes the rust (go look it up). The only reason concrete and rebar blows out is defects during manufacture, and that can be fixed.
I am well aware of the shit show in SHV. I don't live there or have any ties, and will never return. But the same old tedious replies to the same old misinformed stories is very tiresome.
Why Do Abandoned Buildings Decay So Quickly?
Abandoned buildings decay quickly for a number of reasons, including leaks and damage in the ceiling and floor, a lack of maintenance and external factors, such as animals and the ambient weather.
In modern cities, you have likely seen people living and working in buildings that are decades, or even centuries old, depending on where you are in the world, yet they still appear to be in perfect condition.
However, if a building is left uninhabited for even a few years, it decays at an incredible rate. Why does that happen? How exactly is an inhabited building better protected than an abandoned one?
https://www.scienceabc.com/eyeopeners/w ... ickly.html
An environmental impact on the condition of an unfinished building in the OWT technology
Michał Baszeń* and Czesław Miedziałowski
Bialystok University of Technology, Department of Geology and Structural Engineering, 15-351 Bialystok, Wiejska str 45E, Poland
* Corresponding author: [email protected]
Abstract
The aim of the paper is to present the state of the building erected in the OWT technology. The construction of the building has not been completed due to the financial problems of the late 90's of the XX century. As a result of the long-term environmental impact, the object was degraded due to the lack of a flat roof and windows. The impact of precipitation, wind and biological corrosion led to significant degradation and deterioration of structural elements and joints. The paper will present examples of damage caused by environmental impacts. Examples of damage of wall and floor elements as well the deeply corroded steel plate joints will be presented. Highly grown lichens, mosses or mold will be also presented as the examples of biological interactions onto the surface of constructional elements. Structural elements have been tested in a nondestructive manner using sclerometer tests. The results will be described and the conclusions will be presented. The analyzed object presents in an interesting manner that environmental influences could destructively affect the construction of precast RC structural elements, which constitute a significant percentage of the Polish construction market.
https://www.e3s-conferences.org/article ... 00005.html
Atmospheric deterioration of ceramic building materials and future trends in the field: a review
Abstract
Multiple techniques have been developed and implemented around the world to monitor structures and minimize the costs of repairing, maintaining, and losing ceramic building materials due to environmental factors. Understanding the different degradation phenomena that affect ceramic building materials and evaluating their condition can help reduce material losses caused by deterioration and the need for interventions. This study reviews the main forms of atmospheric degradation that affect ceramic materials and the commonly employed methods to evaluate their deterioration. The aim is to illustrate the different types of atmospheric deterioration that affect ceramic materials and to demonstrate the current monitoring methods and testing. In addition to a literature review, a bibliometric analysis was conducted to highlight the available tools to counter atmospheric deterioration. The analysis shows that CO2, sulfates, and temperature are the most important types of degradation for ceramic construction materials. It was also discovered that due to their porous nature, ceramic construction materials require careful control as contaminants and water can easily penetrate them. The two most severe types of deterioration identified in this analysis for reinforced concrete were chloride-induced corrosion and carbonation.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 4023022351
Deterioration and defects – what are the risks to the safety and service life of concrete structures?
Concrete structures can be affected by a range of defects and deterioration. These can impact on both the safety and service life of structures.
The most common forms of defects and deterioration that may occur in concrete structures, how they occur and what the potential effects on structural safety and service life are discussed in this article. References are provided for further information.
Introduction
The deterioration mechanisms and defects can be grouped broadly into five categories:
Early age
Environmental
Chemical
Design and construction
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http://mpwrandr.co.uk/deterioration-def ... tructures/
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Some fine real estate agent type bullshit going on in this thread.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 1816302999Results show that there is an alarming decrease in structural integrity and durability functions in abandoned reinforced concrete buildings with time. Eventually, performance-depreciation versus age graph was developed for assessing life-span limit beyond which unacceptable mechanical properties are eminent. Based on the surrounding exposure conditions, an abandoned reinforced concrete building could fail to perform acceptable designed strength functions within a period of twelve (12) years.
Principal factors of degradation associated with the surrounding environments include; inclement weather, alternate wetting and drying, temperature variations and presence of aggressive agents in the adjacent soil. Continuous actions of these factors affect weak spots on the concrete surface and the reinforcing steels, thereby, rendering both materials vulnerable to irreversible damages. Eventually, the intended life-span of the building could never be achieved.
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Suggesting that all these shells were even started properly means that you either have a short memory, or are an idiot.
Sihanoukville 2019: The building, which was owned by a Chinese national, collapsed on June 22, killing 28 workers and injuring 26 others
Kep 2020: On January 4, an under-construction building collapsed in Kep province, killing 36, including children, and injuring 23 others.
Building codes weren't even a thing before these events.
https://capitalcambodia.com/building-co ... ing-codes/
Sihanoukville 2019: The building, which was owned by a Chinese national, collapsed on June 22, killing 28 workers and injuring 26 others
Kep 2020: On January 4, an under-construction building collapsed in Kep province, killing 36, including children, and injuring 23 others.
Building codes weren't even a thing before these events.
https://capitalcambodia.com/building-co ... ing-codes/
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Bringing the news. You stay classy, nas, Cambodia.
Ahh, the old graphic that only tells part of the narrative!
Pakistan's debt to China is about $17B, give or take, that is true but what % of the debt do you think that is? 90%, or even 50%, or $30%?
Nope, it is around 15%. Total around $121 billion.
They owne US$7.4 billion to International Monetary Fund, and US$12 billion to international bonds such as Eurobond, and Sukuk. and $33B to other donors.
Chinese interest rates are lower than IMF but come with more caveats.
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There is an interesting article on the East Asia Forum site that notes that the true Chinese debt may be closer to USD67 billion as Chinese companies are setting up in Pakistan and taking Chinese loans to build energy infrastructure, and this is being recorded by the Pakistani government as foreign direct investment rather than debt held by these companies.bonce wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:49 pmAhh, the old graphic that only tells part of the narrative!
Pakistan's debt to China is about $17B, give or take, that is true but what % of the debt do you think that is? 90%, or even 50%, or $30%?
Nope, it is around 15%. Total around $121 billion.
They owne US$7.4 billion to International Monetary Fund, and US$12 billion to international bonds such as Eurobond, and Sukuk. and $33B to other donors.
Chinese interest rates are lower than IMF but come with more caveats.
The problem here is the Chinese companies' debt payments contribute to an already negative balance of trade, so the government has to borrow further to ensure sufficient foreign currency for debt repayments by these companies.
https://eastasiaforum.org/2024/03/05/fo ... nterprises.
Interesting!
So, for example, the new Siem Reap airport (SAI), as I understand it, was developed by a private company under a Build, Operate, Transfer (BOT) agreement, such that the Cambodian Government took on no debt, has no/little skin in the game and the Cambodian people have little financial risk, even if it loses $ the next 10-20 years. That said, if what Prahok mentions applies to SAI, airport owners' debts to China will mean they will be straining every single day to send cash home, extracting it at every opportunity rather than spending it on enhancements or maintenance.
IF this is true (I'm ignorant, thoughts above are mere idle speculation), I think I'll go there next year to buy some lightly used high quality a/c units. Maybe I'll even drop in this year to scope out good bits to buy, automatic glass doors and such.
So, for example, the new Siem Reap airport (SAI), as I understand it, was developed by a private company under a Build, Operate, Transfer (BOT) agreement, such that the Cambodian Government took on no debt, has no/little skin in the game and the Cambodian people have little financial risk, even if it loses $ the next 10-20 years. That said, if what Prahok mentions applies to SAI, airport owners' debts to China will mean they will be straining every single day to send cash home, extracting it at every opportunity rather than spending it on enhancements or maintenance.
IF this is true (I'm ignorant, thoughts above are mere idle speculation), I think I'll go there next year to buy some lightly used high quality a/c units. Maybe I'll even drop in this year to scope out good bits to buy, automatic glass doors and such.
Interesting.Prahok wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 3:09 pmThere is an interesting article on the East Asia Forum site that notes that the true Chinese debt may be closer to USD67 billion as Chinese companies are setting up in Pakistan and taking Chinese loans to build energy infrastructure, and this is being recorded by the Pakistani government as foreign direct investment rather than debt held by these companies.bonce wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 1:49 pmAhh, the old graphic that only tells part of the narrative!
Pakistan's debt to China is about $17B, give or take, that is true but what % of the debt do you think that is? 90%, or even 50%, or $30%?
Nope, it is around 15%. Total around $121 billion.
They owne US$7.4 billion to International Monetary Fund, and US$12 billion to international bonds such as Eurobond, and Sukuk. and $33B to other donors.
Chinese interest rates are lower than IMF but come with more caveats.
The problem here is the Chinese companies' debt payments contribute to an already negative balance of trade, so the government has to borrow further to ensure sufficient foreign currency for debt repayments by these companies.
https://eastasiaforum.org/2024/03/05/fo ... nterprises.
Now let's look at the UK and the USA external debt...
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Not entirely. The asset is a key component to a significant contributor to the Cambodian economy. If it doesn't function, or function well, then the economy suffers. If the company defaults, then depending on loan terms the Chinese bank may take possession (which they would not like at all), or the Cambodian Government may have to step in and adopt the debt and the operational mess (if they are a guarantor, which is possible).Guest9999 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2024 11:03 pmthe Cambodian Government took on no debt, has no/little skin in the game and the Cambodian people have little financial risk, even if it loses $ the next 10-20 years.
That is a real risk if the business model fails. It's in everyone's interest that it doesn't.they will be straining every single day to send cash home, extracting it at every opportunity rather than spending it on enhancements or maintenance.
In the end, debt itself isn't a problem if it is invested in activities that provide a greater return.
This has been the issue with BRI investments; poor investment choices driven by politics rather than financial acumen. This appears to be changing as Chinese banks have badly burned their fingers, contributing to the current credit crunch within China.
Careful!. You'll be labelled a conspiracy theorist or a commie, next.bonce wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2024 7:09 amNow let's look at the UK and the USA external debt...
Thanks for those great articles about buildings. Nice Google foo you have.
They said nothing about the buildings falling down, which is what everyone is bleating on about like sheep. Sure, they will degrade. Cheers caption obvious.
Those two buildings that collapsed were two out of how many? Buildings under construction that collapse happen in every western country, including the UK and the USA. It is not endemic in Cambodia.
You are just grabbing at straws because you all hate SHV for some odd reason.
Try and have an educated opinion.
They said nothing about the buildings falling down, which is what everyone is bleating on about like sheep. Sure, they will degrade. Cheers caption obvious.
Those two buildings that collapsed were two out of how many? Buildings under construction that collapse happen in every western country, including the UK and the USA. It is not endemic in Cambodia.
You are just grabbing at straws because you all hate SHV for some odd reason.
Try and have an educated opinion.
Perhaps your own opinion would change if you actually visited.stewie wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2024 7:22 amThanks for those great articles about buildings. Nice Google foo you have.
They said nothing about the buildings falling down, which is what everyone is bleating on about like sheep. Sure, they will degrade. Cheers caption obvious.
Those two buildings that collapsed were two out of how many? Buildings under construction that collapse happen in every western country, including the UK and the USA. It is not endemic in Cambodia.
You are just grabbing at straws because you all hate SHV for some odd reason.
Try and have an educated opinion.
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