Huge Issues with Phnom Penh's biggest expat school ISPP?
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Sometimes it pays off when people think you're stupid.Prahok wrote:It is somewhat insulting that the OP thought contributors to the forum would be swayed by this deluge of bile.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
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About all comments being written by the same person.
About all comments being written by the same person.
You mean compared to other schools, I suppose, not compared to other lines of work?! Those of my friends who are teachers at top international schools still have WAY more spare time than I or other friends with "business" jobs have.Hemingway wrote: Actually the workload in good international schools IS pretty heavy.
Well, duh, of course, I am comparing to other schools, otherwise the workload obviously pales in comparison to having your own business.Alex wrote:You mean compared to other schools, I suppose, not compared to other lines of work?! Those of my friends who are teachers at top international schools still have WAY more spare time than I or other friends with "business" jobs have.Hemingway wrote: Actually the workload in good international schools IS pretty heavy.
A tree born crooked will never grow straight.
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ISPP gave me my first job in Phnom Penh (substitute work). I found them to be very professional and wished that I had stayed on and not taken a full time position at WIS (I covered for the same guy 3 times in one month, he was fired)
Must say if ISR had graph charts on review score aggregates you'd be ditching ISPP stock right now!
How do you know this Vlad?vladimir wrote:afterthought @ OP; try being a school director/ principal for a day and see how much fun it is.
You become the meat in the hamburger: the board blame every problem from below on you, and the staff blame every problem from above on you.
You have to deal with teachers/ students/staff/ even owners doing all kinds of unprofessional/crazy things, but they expect you to be 'professional'.
The assumption in the post is that the teachers do no wrong, this is obviously biased.
Talk is cheap.
I wouldn't do it.
I thought we'd already established beyond refutation that you are not, nor have you ever been, a professionally recognised teacher in your life ... much less an administrator.
It was hearsay, yes?
It's a collection of professional reviews by different professional teachers over the course of at least the last three years.ken svay wrote:Huge issues and a huger post-bloody hell what to make of all this.
I am exhausted after reading it,the lassie faire line was good,obviously the OP is not a language teacher-then again maybe he is.
And a bit unfair on dr scott,described as mediocre?
This would have to be the longest post ever,wouldnt it?
ISPP is certainly outstanding at doing bum land deals,I think they have been dudded by khmers twice already and lost huge amounts of money.
Now I think that they are investing in the swamp near where hanky flies his kite.
www.internationalschoolsreview.com. It costs about $30 p.a.
Don't know if they are "language teachers" but they definitely enjoy about 10 times the means of the many unskilled workers who typically lay claim to this title in Cambodia.
To be fair, he did say "FOR A DAY"...Dengchao wrote:How do you know this Vlad?vladimir wrote:afterthought @ OP; try being a school director/ principal for a day and see how much fun it is.
You become the meat in the hamburger: the board blame every problem from below on you, and the staff blame every problem from above on you.
You have to deal with teachers/ students/staff/ even owners doing all kinds of unprofessional/crazy things, but they expect you to be 'professional'.
The assumption in the post is that the teachers do no wrong, this is obviously biased.
Talk is cheap.
I wouldn't do it.
I thought we'd already established beyond refutation that you are not, nor have you ever been, a professionally recognised teacher in your life ... much less an administrator.
It was hearsay, yes?
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@dengchao
- Whether or not some umannered, narcisistic, uninformed, boorish, arrogant yobbo who cannot spell, considers me qualified or not, is not the question.
- whether said individual, who claims to be 'qualified' does not understand that qualifications in different countries differ (duh) is immaterial: numerous websites/schools around the world accept the less than dengchao-qualified morons as teachers. Get over it, even with a monopoly you'd still have your personality, yes?
- I have done the job, and speak from personal experience. Several other people who worked at the same places/in the same position/ had the same experience, and several were better qualified than I. One left after 6 months for exactly the reasons I gave.You don't like that I did the job: I don't give a damn what you like, the fact remains. Get over it.
- Your issue is personal, not professional, and I'm pretty sure who put you up to it, but will refrain from speculation.
- I thought you were leaving in July, as you complained on this forum about your director for not renewing your contract. How could any sane person question the great dengchao's suitability for any job? Scandal!
Jesus, you didn't even know what DOS stands for.
- You don't like me, fine, the feeling is mutual.Any idiot who publicly claims he agrees with my goals and then castigates me is an irreversible idiot in my opinion.
-You whine about the US being a bully, but you exhibit exacty the same behaviour.
- Have you tried picking on anyone your size/age? So far, only Wild Turkey Man. Nice.
I hear some southern cities are looking for people like you. You work it out.
Your knickers are way too much in a bunch.
- Whether or not some umannered, narcisistic, uninformed, boorish, arrogant yobbo who cannot spell, considers me qualified or not, is not the question.
- whether said individual, who claims to be 'qualified' does not understand that qualifications in different countries differ (duh) is immaterial: numerous websites/schools around the world accept the less than dengchao-qualified morons as teachers. Get over it, even with a monopoly you'd still have your personality, yes?
- I have done the job, and speak from personal experience. Several other people who worked at the same places/in the same position/ had the same experience, and several were better qualified than I. One left after 6 months for exactly the reasons I gave.You don't like that I did the job: I don't give a damn what you like, the fact remains. Get over it.
- Your issue is personal, not professional, and I'm pretty sure who put you up to it, but will refrain from speculation.
- I thought you were leaving in July, as you complained on this forum about your director for not renewing your contract. How could any sane person question the great dengchao's suitability for any job? Scandal!
Jesus, you didn't even know what DOS stands for.
- You don't like me, fine, the feeling is mutual.Any idiot who publicly claims he agrees with my goals and then castigates me is an irreversible idiot in my opinion.
-You whine about the US being a bully, but you exhibit exacty the same behaviour.
- Have you tried picking on anyone your size/age? So far, only Wild Turkey Man. Nice.
I hear some southern cities are looking for people like you. You work it out.
Your knickers are way too much in a bunch.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
Wondering where teachers find the time to post such a letters ... And answer them
The live is A and B over the C of D, So I'm definitely à nOn-p00npie
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Wow, I should have checked back sooner. Yes, the reviews are from professional teachers on internationalschoolsreview.com and over a period of the last three years. I also agree that they should be taken with a grain of salt and frankly could care less about their perceptions of their working conditions but was more interesting in the reemerging theme of major problems at the helm which may lead to the school vanishing once they are evicted from their current unsustainable location. The word on the street is they are getting kicked out after next year. Add to this the smoke and mirrors surrounding a possible moving to the swampland outside of the city and it just is looking very shady. Take from it what you will but I would look into it very closely when deciding between ISPP and Northbridge (the two IB schools in Phnom Penh)
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Vladimir, I'm certainly not having a pop at you (Dengchao seems to be a bit of a knob anyway), but what constitutes a qualified teacher? I'd like to hear Dengchao's take on this too.vladimir wrote:@dengchao
- Whether or not some umannered, narcisistic, uninformed, boorish, arrogant yobbo who cannot spell, considers me qualified or not, is not the question.
- whether said individual, who claims to be 'qualified' does not understand that qualifications in different countries differ (duh) is immaterial: numerous websites/schools around the world accept the less than dengchao-qualified morons as teachers. Get over it, even with a monopoly you'd still have your personality, yes?
- I have done the job, and speak from personal experience. Several other people who worked at the same places/in the same position/ had the same experience, and several were better qualified than I. One left after 6 months for exactly the reasons I gave.You don't like that I did the job: I don't give a damn what you like, the fact remains. Get over it.
- Your issue is personal, not professional, and I'm pretty sure who put you up to it, but will refrain from speculation.
- I thought you were leaving in July, as you complained on this forum about your director for not renewing your contract. How could any sane person question the great dengchao's suitability for any job? Scandal!
Jesus, you didn't even know what DOS stands for.
- You don't like me, fine, the feeling is mutual.Any idiot who publicly claims he agrees with my goals and then castigates me is an irreversible idiot in my opinion.
-You whine about the US being a bully, but you exhibit exacty the same behaviour.
- Have you tried picking on anyone your size/age? So far, only Wild Turkey Man. Nice.
I hear some southern cities are looking for people like you. You work it out.
Your knickers are way too much in a bunch.
I'm qualified on the UK's National Qualification Framework at level 7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_(ELT) but have never had the desire to, and never will have, the intention to complete a PGCE (Qualified Teacher Status); a qualification which is also level 7 but (unlike mine) requires no previous experience in a classroom, and which is generic and not necessarily compatible with EFL methodology (I currently work with a number of PGCE qualified UK teachers who find parts of EFL quite difficult) but essential for UK schools.
Personally, I believe that a CELTA-qualified teacher with 2/3 years experience would be perfectly able to teach EFL to a very high standard (at ACE, perhaps) and, in my experience, be much more suitable than many QTS bodies who often bring nothing to the party other than a fairly large chip on their shoulders and the rigid L1 expectations of students (there is the occasional exception though )
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