They did - when it opened it was P.I.S.S. until somebody (me) pointed out what it meant, at which point it was changed to PSIS.cambod wrote:Should at least add "secondary" to their name so they can having a fitting acronym.foghornleghorn wrote:
Not sure, thats how it is listed on ESLbase
http://www.eslbase.com/schools/cambodia
Pannasastra International School http://www.psis.edu.kh
P.I.S.S.
good schools to apply to for celta holder
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I guess I am. I doesn't bother me to teach kids or at a uni. I have done both. I am just interested in finding a good work environment with professional co-workers and professional management. Oh, and good pay is important also. IMHO you shouldn't need to be specialist to expect a $15 floor and want a wage around $20. If a CELTA + degree + experience is not enough to justify making $20 then I will need to shift to a new country ASAP. I read you can get $35 doing IELTS prep in Vietnam.andyinasia wrote: OP - you seem to be spreading your net wide - everything from kindergarten to university. Surely you must have a specialist focus if you're expecting to be at the top end of the pay scale?
Seems that maybe there are only 1 or 2 good uni's, 1 or 2 good highschools, etc.
Trying for one category may not yield much fruit. I thought I should just try to apply to the best schools.
The trouble is that I have no idea which ones they are.
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The problem, as we said on another thread, is that most Khmer language school owners will do anything to keep their variable (e.g. labor) costs down and increase their profit margins .foghornleghorn wrote:I guess I am. I doesn't bother me to teach kids or at a uni. I have done both. I am just interested in finding a good work environment with professional co-workers and professional management. Oh, and good pay is important also. IMHO you shouldn't need to be specialist to expect a $15 floor and want a wage around $20. If a CELTA + degree + experience is not enough to justify making $20 then I will need to shift to a new country ASAP. I read you can get $35 doing IELTS prep in Vietnam.andyinasia wrote: OP - you seem to be spreading your net wide - everything from kindergarten to university. Surely you must have a specialist focus if you're expecting to be at the top end of the pay scale?
Seems that maybe there are only 1 or 2 good uni's, 1 or 2 good highschools, etc.
Trying for one category may not yield much fruit. I thought I should just try to apply to the best schools.
The trouble is that I have no idea which ones they are.
They'd rather employ a beery breathed old drunk or a straight-off-the-flight clueless inexperienced backpacker for $10 an hour than hire a much better teacher for $15-20.
It's no coincidence that the only schools in town prepared to pay $20 plus ph for properly qualified, experienced and motivated teachers are NOT owned by Khmers.
These Khmer school owners will pay lip service to the concept of quality education but ultimately, its all about money. And they love money.
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Here's a dumb question. Why do they have such a short sighted approach to making money? A school builds a reputation for excellence. Then it can promise to potential employers that its graduates are top notch. That way they can promise their grads a leg up in competition for jobs or spots at top uni's. A good rep means you can charge more. Look at the Ivy league schools in the US. What's going on in Cambodia? What am I missing? Low standards mean short term gain and long term loss.keeping_it_riel wrote:
The problem, as we said on another thread, is that most Khmer language school owners will do anything to keep their variable (e.g. labor) costs down and increase their profit margins .
They'd rather employ a beery breathed old drunk or a straight-off-the-flight clueless inexperienced backpacker for $10 an hour than hire a much better teacher for $15-20.
It's no coincidence that the only schools in town prepared to pay $20 plus ph for properly qualified, experienced and motivated teachers are NOT owned by Khmers.
These Khmer school owners will pay lip service to the concept of quality education but ultimately, its all about money. And they love money.
Sad but spot on!keeping_it_riel wrote: It's no coincidence that the only schools in town prepared to pay $20 plus ph for properly qualified, experienced and motivated teachers are NOT owned by Khmers.
At least you knew it was a stupid question.foghornleghorn wrote: Here's a dumb question. ... What am I missing?
You're not missing anything. Fortunately for the stupid Cambodian school owners, the average paying customer is TWICE as stupid.
So, using logic from the West and applying it to Cambodian business models is hardly relevant.
Stupid is as stupid does.
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To simplify massively, the Khmer Rouge eliminated the Cambodian intelligensia. The generation of businessmen who open schools never had an education, don't value education and made their millions by utilising abilities that didn't require education or ethics. In heir formative years they had to survive as if there was no tomorrow.
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What are you missing?foghornleghorn wrote:Here's a dumb question. Why do they have such a short sighted approach to making money? A school builds a reputation for excellence. Then it can promise to potential employers that its graduates are top notch. That way they can promise their grads a leg up in competition for jobs or spots at top uni's. A good rep means you can charge more. Look at the Ivy league schools in the US. What's going on in Cambodia? What am I missing? Low standards mean short term gain and long term loss.keeping_it_riel wrote:
The problem, as we said on another thread, is that most Khmer language school owners will do anything to keep their variable (e.g. labor) costs down and increase their profit margins .
They'd rather employ a beery breathed old drunk or a straight-off-the-flight clueless inexperienced backpacker for $10 an hour than hire a much better teacher for $15-20.
It's no coincidence that the only schools in town prepared to pay $20 plus ph for properly qualified, experienced and motivated teachers are NOT owned by Khmers.
These Khmer school owners will pay lip service to the concept of quality education but ultimately, its all about money. And they love money.
This is a developing economy, so:
- there are no jobs for graduates to go forward to, so forget advancement of the student based on a goal-oriented approach other than they'll be able to speak/use the language.
- a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush re $$, so forget forward planning... cash-on-the-nail, today, is king. Massively disruptive ego-driven management? Who cares, they're cheap. Massively disruptive ego-driven students? Who cares, they pay.
- there are no reputations built yet short of the few mentioned - ACE etc - nothing lost if the money's already been made. Afaik, there are no (zero) real and genuine connections to universities outside this country for students to continue their studies beyond the scope of schools here.
- there are no formally required quality standards to look to / be guided by and cheapest is best for the majority of locals, so piss-head DOSs, druggie and wino teachers are not weeded out as they'll work a 4 day week for peanuts using shitty books and will take all the rubbish thrown at them from both above and below as it enables them to do their sunny addiction thing in such a relaxed environment.
There is no driving force for the improvement of schools and no economic reason for the improvement of salaries - people (foreigners/westerners) work for nothing because they want to be here.
Go back 15 years or so and there was very little of anything in the EFL category compared to today - apart from one or two places (mentioned) not much improvement has been made to date other than in the sheer volume of opportunities for those wishing to study to spend their money.
Clearly this is an old post, but if you've gotten to this point, it means updated info may help.
Celta - nobody on earth gives a fuck except A.C.E.
TEFL - (see Degrees)
Degrees - nobody in Cambodia gives a fuck if you have a nice smile.
Hope that helps.
Celta - nobody on earth gives a fuck except A.C.E.
TEFL - (see Degrees)
Degrees - nobody in Cambodia gives a fuck if you have a nice smile.
Hope that helps.
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The day-to-day running of ACE/IDP is done by Cambodians and has been for the last two years. Things have drastically changed and continue to change. It's probable that hourly rates will decrease at ACE just as the working conditions have.
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Dissent will not be tolerated in Chairman Mao's education revolution.
The quote below is starting to ring true.
Are there any western run/owned Language Schools in Cambodia now? I don't think so.The problem, as we said on another thread, is that most Khmer language school owners will do anything to keep their variable (e.g. labor) costs down and increase their profit margins .
They'd rather employ a beery breathed old drunk or a straight-off-the-flight clueless inexperienced backpacker for $10 an hour than hire a much better teacher for $15-20.
It's no coincidence that the only schools in town prepared to pay $20 plus ph for properly qualified, experienced and motivated teachers are NOT owned by Khmers.
These Khmer school owners will pay lip service to the concept of quality education but ultimately, its all about money. And they love money.
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