My housekeeper's daughter has taken a test to enroll at RUPP's IFL but she failed it.
I would like recommendations about good quality English language centers, that are affordable.
I guess that places like ACE would be the best but they may be too much for her mom's wallet and my wallet.
She is also already studying at RULE for a bachelor, so evening classes would be best.
Thanks in advance for your feedback!
Recommendations for English language center?
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Joon, what about PUC?
Vanda Institute has a language centre on 271(probably the closest to your place)
The place that used to be New World (can't keep track of the changes)
ICS, opposite Pencil
Western
CIA runs classes, I think, probably one of the better ones, but in St. 2004
Limkokwing University also has an English Programme St. 1986
Almost every uni/school now runs GEP classes for outside students
Vanda Institute has a language centre on 271(probably the closest to your place)
The place that used to be New World (can't keep track of the changes)
ICS, opposite Pencil
Western
CIA runs classes, I think, probably one of the better ones, but in St. 2004
Limkokwing University also has an English Programme St. 1986
Almost every uni/school now runs GEP classes for outside students
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
Thanks for the leads, Vladimir.
I would like her to have really good English because I believe that's what will help her eventually to not only succeed in her undergraduate studies but also to land a job when she graduates and to teach herself where needed.
RUPP's IFL was first choice because I know for a fact that students who graduate in English from there have excellent English and it's not too pricey as it is public.
I will have a look at all the institutions you listed.
But would greatly appreciate others' feedback on the quality of English teaching.
I would like her to have really good English because I believe that's what will help her eventually to not only succeed in her undergraduate studies but also to land a job when she graduates and to teach herself where needed.
RUPP's IFL was first choice because I know for a fact that students who graduate in English from there have excellent English and it's not too pricey as it is public.
I will have a look at all the institutions you listed.
But would greatly appreciate others' feedback on the quality of English teaching.
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I spent the whole weekend judging an English-speaking competition, with 250 participants of all ages. These events give me a chance to see outcomes in schools and universities where I have no insight into the process.
To be honest, many of the IFL participants were absolutely outstanding, so it's a pity she didn't get in, but that's a reflection of their uncompromising standards - they do take the best rather than anyone with a fistful of dollars.
However, apart from IFL, what I witnessed was quite interesting. I saw many very impressive English speakers from a huge diversity of schools. What I didn't see, IFL aside, was 3 or 4 places dominating the competition. There were even a good number from the public schools that we tend to castigate. This suggests to me that there is now a good amount of good teaching spread out across the city and that all the ones vlad lists together with many more have decent teachers.
In addition, as an examiner I do go into a few schools and I often come across a batch of students who are excellent followed by a batch who are poor - indicating the fault line between one teacher and another.
A final point is that in both the competition and in my examining and IELTS work, I do notice that a lot of the better students are speccy four-eyes with urgent unmade-up faces - the antithesis of a jessy, if you like. Gavinmac could be in a room with 100 such girls and not notice one of them!
From my observations then, my conclusions are less than earth-shattering.
1. Schools with good reputations might have some poor teachers; conversely schools with modest reputations can have some excellent teachers.
2. There are a lot of good teachers and diligent students about these days.
3. A good student is as much a result of parenting that values education and the personal qualities of that student as of the school itself.
I appreciate that these points sound like trite edinwigan-esque cliches, but my point is that until very recently, they were not the case here.
To be honest, many of the IFL participants were absolutely outstanding, so it's a pity she didn't get in, but that's a reflection of their uncompromising standards - they do take the best rather than anyone with a fistful of dollars.
However, apart from IFL, what I witnessed was quite interesting. I saw many very impressive English speakers from a huge diversity of schools. What I didn't see, IFL aside, was 3 or 4 places dominating the competition. There were even a good number from the public schools that we tend to castigate. This suggests to me that there is now a good amount of good teaching spread out across the city and that all the ones vlad lists together with many more have decent teachers.
In addition, as an examiner I do go into a few schools and I often come across a batch of students who are excellent followed by a batch who are poor - indicating the fault line between one teacher and another.
A final point is that in both the competition and in my examining and IELTS work, I do notice that a lot of the better students are speccy four-eyes with urgent unmade-up faces - the antithesis of a jessy, if you like. Gavinmac could be in a room with 100 such girls and not notice one of them!
From my observations then, my conclusions are less than earth-shattering.
1. Schools with good reputations might have some poor teachers; conversely schools with modest reputations can have some excellent teachers.
2. There are a lot of good teachers and diligent students about these days.
3. A good student is as much a result of parenting that values education and the personal qualities of that student as of the school itself.
I appreciate that these points sound like trite edinwigan-esque cliches, but my point is that until very recently, they were not the case here.
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That's great, insightful feedback, Andy, thanks.
And it's good to know! A little bit worried though that it's also a matter of luck with getting a good teacher or not.
She's a really good kid, and nothing like a superficial, shallow girlie girl. But she's still a bit naive, I guess
And it's good to know! A little bit worried though that it's also a matter of luck with getting a good teacher or not.
She's a really good kid, and nothing like a superficial, shallow girlie girl. But she's still a bit naive, I guess
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Joon: meet her teacher and check his/her credentials and do a CRC if you can
Very few schools do them, I would go so far as to say 99%.
It may save you and her a lot of problems down the road
Very few schools do them, I would go so far as to say 99%.
It may save you and her a lot of problems down the road
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
I would agree that each school/ university has both good and bad teachers. Luck of the draw unless you try and meet the teachers, Maybe choose a campus of the target uni near your niece's home and speak to the DOS at a campus to give you the heads up, and meet the teachers outside the campus at break time for a chat. I know there are some very good, highly qualified teachers (one with 3 BA's in dif subjects) that teach at PUC ESL and I know some total drunks who teach there also.
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"Reading made Don Quixote a gentleman. Believing what he read made him mad."
"Reading made Don Quixote a gentleman. Believing what he read made him mad."
What's a CRC, vlad?
She and her mom live with me at home, so it's not an issue. But I think we will take into consideration location, so that English classes are close to her university (RULE, on Monivong bvd, Boeung trabek area). I don't want her to have to travel long distances.
By the way, what are your thoughts about American Intercon School/Institute?
She and her mom live with me at home, so it's not an issue. But I think we will take into consideration location, so that English classes are close to her university (RULE, on Monivong bvd, Boeung trabek area). I don't want her to have to travel long distances.
By the way, what are your thoughts about American Intercon School/Institute?
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andyinasia wrote:I spent the whole weekend judging an English-speaking competition, with 250 participants of all ages. These events give me a chance to see outcomes in schools and universities where I have no insight into the process.
To be honest, many of the IFL participants were absolutely outstanding, so it's a pity she didn't get in, but that's a reflection of their uncompromising standards - they do take the best rather than anyone with a fistful of dollars.
However, apart from IFL, what I witnessed was quite interesting. I saw many very impressive English speakers from a huge diversity of schools. What I didn't see, IFL aside, was 3 or 4 places dominating the competition. There were even a good number from the public schools that we tend to castigate. This suggests to me that there is now a good amount of good teaching spread out across the city and that all the ones vlad lists together with many more have decent teachers.
In addition, as an examiner I do go into a few schools and I often come across a batch of students who are excellent followed by a batch who are poor - indicating the fault line between one teacher and another.
A final point is that in both the competition and in my examining and IELTS work, I do notice that a lot of the better students are speccy four-eyes with urgent unmade-up faces - the antithesis of a jessy, if you like. Gavinmac could be in a room with 100 such girls and not notice one of them!
From my observations then, my conclusions are less than earth-shattering.
1. Schools with good reputations might have some poor teachers; conversely schools with modest reputations can have some excellent teachers.
2. There are a lot of good teachers and diligent students about these days.
3. A good student is as much a result of parenting that values education and the personal qualities of that student as of the school itself.
I appreciate that these points sound like trite edinwigan-esque cliches, but my point is that until very recently, they were not the case here.
Omg I met AiA and didn't even know it!
Joon: I personally know a few wonderful teachers at Western International who teach GEP. If you're willing to try that option, you'd have to go and meet the teacher before paying for anything.
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Joon, if you do live with her try to get it in her head that English-language media consumption is from now on an everyday habit, regardless of courses/teachers picked. Would make a world of difference after a year or so if she could stick to such regime all through her spare time. Movies, series, news, sites, forums, you name it. Of course we all might prefer even "real literature" but realistically speaking, the former might be more feasible..
A buddy-of-mine's gf understands and speaks English unusually well, turns out the one decisive leisure-time choice all throughout her teenage years was going for the English-language movies and series all the time!
A buddy-of-mine's gf understands and speaks English unusually well, turns out the one decisive leisure-time choice all throughout her teenage years was going for the English-language movies and series all the time!
Yep, unless is extraordinarily bright, an English course should just be a back up to her language studies.metaleap wrote:Joon, if you do live with her try to get it in her head that English-language media consumption is from now on an everyday habit, regardless of courses/teachers picked. Would make a world of difference after a year or so if she could stick to such regime all through her spare time. Movies, series, news, sites, forums, you name it. Of course we all might prefer even "real literature" but realistically speaking, the former might be more feasible..
A buddy-of-mine's gf understands and speaks English unusually well, turns out the one decisive leisure-time choice all throughout her teenage years was going for the English-language movies and series all the time!
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"Reading made Don Quixote a gentleman. Believing what he read made him mad."
"Reading made Don Quixote a gentleman. Believing what he read made him mad."
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Yes, i fully endorse what metaleap says - don't depend too much on the school.
I always tell my students, 'I can teach you for 3 hours per week; if you rely on that 3 hours per week to learn English, you will never learn'. The point that I made earlier about many schools having good and bad teachers is a universalism - in my old days teaching in England every year students would say to me 'I'll take the course if you are the teacher, but not if xxx is the teacher'. But this is something neither the teacher nor the student can control (normally). What's more, a good teacher may leave before the term starts, or during it.
A more particular point is that when I taught English at PUC (about 8 years ago now) they had a policy of not allowing any teacher to take a class for two successive terms. I believe the intention was to ensure a class didn't get stuck with a shit teacher for too long, but of course it applies to good teachers too. I wonder how many schools have this policy.
So in short, it is a lottery although you can improve your chances with sufficient research and inquiry. However you should focus on what you can control, namely the extra-curricular work of exposing the student to as much English as possible - maybe not gangsta rap lyrics, but in my opinion (contra Scooby slagging me off elsewhere) I think low-brow means such as Facebook - appropriately used, is to be encouraged if high literature doesn't motivate.
I always tell my students, 'I can teach you for 3 hours per week; if you rely on that 3 hours per week to learn English, you will never learn'. The point that I made earlier about many schools having good and bad teachers is a universalism - in my old days teaching in England every year students would say to me 'I'll take the course if you are the teacher, but not if xxx is the teacher'. But this is something neither the teacher nor the student can control (normally). What's more, a good teacher may leave before the term starts, or during it.
A more particular point is that when I taught English at PUC (about 8 years ago now) they had a policy of not allowing any teacher to take a class for two successive terms. I believe the intention was to ensure a class didn't get stuck with a shit teacher for too long, but of course it applies to good teachers too. I wonder how many schools have this policy.
So in short, it is a lottery although you can improve your chances with sufficient research and inquiry. However you should focus on what you can control, namely the extra-curricular work of exposing the student to as much English as possible - maybe not gangsta rap lyrics, but in my opinion (contra Scooby slagging me off elsewhere) I think low-brow means such as Facebook - appropriately used, is to be encouraged if high literature doesn't motivate.
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Good points, Metaleap. My own English proficiency during teenhood went up when video games I wanted to play were only in English
Then I only watched movies and series with subtitles. And books in English when I came to live here.
Will try to get some some book and media library at home. And will introduce Internet at the right time.
Edit: thanks for more feedback, Andy! Though I'll still wait a few more months before introducing her to Facebook!
Damn, I just realized I need to set up an email address and teach her how to use it for her university assignments and such.
Then I only watched movies and series with subtitles. And books in English when I came to live here.
Will try to get some some book and media library at home. And will introduce Internet at the right time.
Edit: thanks for more feedback, Andy! Though I'll still wait a few more months before introducing her to Facebook!
Damn, I just realized I need to set up an email address and teach her how to use it for her university assignments and such.
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I don't know her age but the following will be extremely useful resources in her free time.Joon wrote:Good points, Metaleap. My own English proficiency during teenhood went up when video games I wanted to play were only in English
Then I only watched movies and series with subtitles. And books in English when I came to live here.
Will try to get some some book and media library at home. And will introduce Internet at the right time.
Edit: thanks for more feedback, Andy! Though I'll still wait a few more months before introducing her to Facebook!
Damn, I just realized I need to set up an email address and teach her how to use it for her university assignments and such.
This one is aimed at teens and the wordshake game (Study Break-Games-Wordshake) is particularly hard to put down: http://learnenglishteens.britishcouncil.org/
This is for young learners: http://learnenglishkids.britishcouncil.org/en/
They cover all areas, are fun and, importantly, they're free to use.
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