They have intensive courses over the break and teachers who stay can work over this time. Soon there will be some breaking news about ACE. Watch this space.erictheking wrote:Even if they paid half a salary during this month their package would look much better to teachers outside of Cambodia. To effectively be jobless and without pay over the Christmas break for those continuing to work with them is ridiculous.
ACE school has Khmer teachers?
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The prospect of working over Christmas to keep the pennies rolling in hardly fills a potential applicant with joy.Stanisław wrote:They have intensive courses over the break and teachers who stay can work over this time. Soon there will be some breaking news about ACE. Watch this space.erictheking wrote:Even if they paid half a salary during this month their package would look much better to teachers outside of Cambodia. To effectively be jobless and without pay over the Christmas break for those continuing to work with them is ridiculous.
I said earlier on in the thread that they do a good job, but they could do an even better one by offering more full time deals, full medical cover and flights both to and from Cambodia.
Do this and they'll get it back in commitment twice over from teachers, but they currently have no need to up their game because they just don't have any serious competition in the country.
I am watching this space though...
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No, there are not enough classes over the Xmas break for all teachers to work. Effectively, teachers are only paid nine months of the year. The school is definitely in decline but as there is no competition... and it's still making money...
It may be the highest paying school in Cambodia but that's all it has going for it now. The Khmer's have taken the company over and it is a race to the bottom. IMHO it's no longer a good place to work unless you are just passing through. It's a shame really, the students deserve more!
It may be the highest paying school in Cambodia but that's all it has going for it now. The Khmer's have taken the company over and it is a race to the bottom. IMHO it's no longer a good place to work unless you are just passing through. It's a shame really, the students deserve more!
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Exactly. This is the great existential crisis of cambodia. Not just in the teaching profession either.erictheking wrote: I said earlier on in the thread that they do a good job, but they could do an even better one by offering more full time deals, full medical cover and flights both to and from Cambodia.
Do this and they'll get it back in commitment twice over from teachers, but they currently have no need to up their game because they just don't have any serious competition in the country.
I am watching this space though...
I really feel for the teachers who do their best and have to eat so much shit in the process. It's a totally unacceptable situation.
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Yeah - true as well. 'No competition' in the Cambodian sense, doesn't mean a race to the top necessarily. It can also mean a collective, industry wide lethargic crawl to the bottom.Hot_Pink_Urinal_Mint wrote:No, there are not enough classes over the Xmas break for all teachers to work. Effectively, teachers are only paid nine months of the year. The school is definitely in decline but as there is no competition... and it's still making money...
It may be the highest paying school in Cambodia but that's all it has going for it now. The Khmer's have taken the company over and it is a race to the bottom. IMHO it's no longer a good place to work unless you are just passing through. It's a shame really, the students deserve more!
Haha - my money’s on Playboy
There are some of us who have been saying this for fkn years.I really feel for the teachers who do their best and have to eat so much shit in the process. It's a totally unacceptable situation.
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For me this is all deja vu.
I spent 7 years at Pannasastra, which at the start was certainly the best university in the country, and best English language school after, arguably IFL and then ACE. Every term we'd be corralled into a whole-school staff meeting where the management would repeat the same mantra about how we're the biggest, and every year I'd sabotage my chances of promotion by pointing out how the quality was being sacrificed on the altar of quantity.
In the academic faculty I'd repeat the same practice by pointing out in some detail exactly how we could improve quality without costing any money, and each time I'd be told with some exasperation that we were doing a better job than everyone else (in Cambodia, of course); therefore, there was no need to improve.
ACE are suffering the same complacency along with the effects of economy of scale. By opening new campuses they're having to go for quantity over quality in recruiting teachers, and will be in for a rude shock down the line when the newer, better managed schools suddenly start producing better results.
I spent 7 years at Pannasastra, which at the start was certainly the best university in the country, and best English language school after, arguably IFL and then ACE. Every term we'd be corralled into a whole-school staff meeting where the management would repeat the same mantra about how we're the biggest, and every year I'd sabotage my chances of promotion by pointing out how the quality was being sacrificed on the altar of quantity.
In the academic faculty I'd repeat the same practice by pointing out in some detail exactly how we could improve quality without costing any money, and each time I'd be told with some exasperation that we were doing a better job than everyone else (in Cambodia, of course); therefore, there was no need to improve.
ACE are suffering the same complacency along with the effects of economy of scale. By opening new campuses they're having to go for quantity over quality in recruiting teachers, and will be in for a rude shock down the line when the newer, better managed schools suddenly start producing better results.
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I work in another country in Asia at the moment and we have a duty of care to staff. That starts with their flights here, accommodation on arrival for up to two weeks, full visa and medical coverage, a very competitive salary and 2 months paid holidays. All of our admin and HR staff are local and they always tell me that when they first arrived they couldn't believe the package we offer- they'd never had more than 10 days off in a year in their lives, let alone paid!Petrol Head wrote:Exactly. This is the great existential crisis of cambodia. Not just in the teaching profession either.erictheking wrote: I said earlier on in the thread that they do a good job, but they could do an even better one by offering more full time deals, full medical cover and flights both to and from Cambodia.
Do this and they'll get it back in commitment twice over from teachers, but they currently have no need to up their game because they just don't have any serious competition in the country.
I am watching this space though...
I really feel for the teachers who do their best and have to eat so much shit in the process. It's a totally unacceptable situation.
They soon realise why we treat our staff like this though. We get almost 100% commitment, very few sick days, high quality teaching (with an emphasis on professional development) and a willingness to speak to parents, which means they feel genuinely involved in the progress of their children.
Needless to say, we have waiting lists for most classes.
We do get one or two staff who occasionally take the piss and are eventually released, but what we lose there we make tenfold in the business because we treat people so well.
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Yep - respect goes both ways. Some of the deficits in working conditions raised in this thread are outrageous. Even subsidized health insurance is totally unacceptable in such a hazard fraught location.
ACE and the rest of them deserve all the HR problems they get.
ACE and the rest of them deserve all the HR problems they get.
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Short courses over Christmas, if you're a lucky chosen one, which eases the financial burden. It's a pretty stressful time, tho, financially, if you're a sessional teacher.
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There IS free health insurance for sessional teachers at ACE - but only for accidents - and only in a second rate hospital i.e Calamette NOT The Royal Phnom Penh. However, if you opt into AETNA (around $400-800 per year) ACE pay 50% which they take in 4 instalments. AETNA are superb and cough up for everything. That's ONE positive thing about ACE.Chuangt2u wrote:Insurance?
For teachers in Cambodia with no contract?
hahahahahahaha
Unionise?
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What's with the "watching this space" thing? Is something going down??? Take over? Float on the Stock Exchange? Float on the Mekong?erictheking wrote:Petrol Head wrote:erictheking wrote:
I am watching this space though...
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From what I heard from a friend that is a tutor and charging $25 an hour tailored to the students and only takes ACE students:
1) You cannot ask questions and so they do not learn.
2) Some students are nervous and shy, so they do not tell the teacher they do not understand what they are saying.
3) Homework is photocopied instead of a book. And also tests are photocopied and are not prepared by the teachers.
Whoever said this is a fine institution ... maybe in Cambodia. But my friend is making a boatload of money off the school. Teaching their students.
1) You cannot ask questions and so they do not learn.
2) Some students are nervous and shy, so they do not tell the teacher they do not understand what they are saying.
3) Homework is photocopied instead of a book. And also tests are photocopied and are not prepared by the teachers.
Whoever said this is a fine institution ... maybe in Cambodia. But my friend is making a boatload of money off the school. Teaching their students.
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What does the school charge students?
Surely it would be in the Board's interests to have a profit-sharing incentive for staff?
Just like any smart company does?
Surely it would be in the Board's interests to have a profit-sharing incentive for staff?
Just like any smart company does?
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