Thoughts on the International Primary Curriculum?
^ Not nonsense. Even the old fashioned Singaporeans are slowly implementing it with their "Teach Less, Learn More" education policies.
You're an English teacher Detroit Muscle aren't you? Have a look at Krashen's Theories ( Famous Quote: "Language acquisition does not require extensive use of conscious grammatical rules, and does not require tedious drill." ) He's got some theories about the preference for *acquisition* of language over *learning*...not my area but similar to some of the social constructivist theories of primary school education I believe.
You're an English teacher Detroit Muscle aren't you? Have a look at Krashen's Theories ( Famous Quote: "Language acquisition does not require extensive use of conscious grammatical rules, and does not require tedious drill." ) He's got some theories about the preference for *acquisition* of language over *learning*...not my area but similar to some of the social constructivist theories of primary school education I believe.
Yes, price is the key here. Glad to see somebody is budgeting on some things at least. Even if six grand is 'chicken feed' or some other stupid statement a lot of posters make. After all, one could save that much in a year just by paying the real prices for goods and services here. Getting tired of posting this truth now.Joon wrote:The Lycée Descartes offers preferential tuition fees for French and/or Khmer children:
- Primary (kindergarten to grade 5) = USD4,155 per year
- Junior high school (grade 6 to 9) = USD4,890 per year
- Highschool (grade 10 to 12) = USD5,525 per year
Add to the above USD975 for first enrollment fee, and then USD355 enrollment fee for the following years.
For other children, the rates are higher:
- Primary = USD5,568
- Junior high = USD6,546
- Highschool = USD7,407
- First enrollment fee = USD1,195
- Regular enrollment fee = USD407
Then there are the costs for lunch and textbooks and whatnot.
CIA seem to be a very good school. They are an international school with lower fees than Northbridge etc.
I think they are around $500 p month for the first grade, rising upwards as the child gets older. That would be almost comparable to The Lycée Descartes prices. If you haven't already, you should check them out.
http://ciaschool.edu.kh/
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The problem with the Lycee is that it's obviously the French curriculum and teaching style, which is quite rote.
5K or even 10K in fees is reasonably achievable for anyone established here, but it doesn't scale very well...
5K or even 10K in fees is reasonably achievable for anyone established here, but it doesn't scale very well...
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ICAN is about $10,500 per year for the primary years and about $13,500 for middle years. I think on balance in terms of teachers, curriculum, location, facility, environment and standards they are on par with ISPP and Northbridge but about 30% cheaper.LexusSchmexus wrote:I don't have any children (that I know of), but could you guys post the fees of the abovementioned schools? I'm kind or curious as to what yearly tuition costs are like here (not counting ISPP/Northbridge). Joon, how much does the Lycée cost for non-citizens?
The best thing for me about ICAN is who doesn't go there (i.e. those who aren't paying for their own lunch). There's a waiting list for most years so that makes it difficult for short term placement NGO's and embassy staff to get their kids in and it's not the most expensive so that keeps the children of the political elite away. My oldest has been there over five years now and still has mostly the same kids in his class that he started with. ISPP and Northbridge are like a revolving door. The downside is that there is no high school, so when they are year 10 they will need to move to ISPP or Northbridge.
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Why will they? iCAN follows the British Curriculum, does it not? After Checkpoint (English, Maths & Science year 9), some parents might want their children to move on to IGCSE & AS/A Levels (CIE).starkmonster wrote:iCAN... The downside is that there is no high school, so when they are year 10 they will need to move to ISPP or Northbridge.
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I don't think there's a decent school offering GCSE's and A Levels in Phnom Penh. The good high schools are both IB.
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That's a fairly heavy bill. I'm thinking I might have to relocate back west for a while.
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Zaman offers them...oh, wait, you said...starkmonster wrote:I don't think there's a decent school offering GCSE's and A Levels in Phnom Penh. The good high schools are both IB.
ירי ילדים והפצצת אזרחים דורש אומץ, כמו גם הטרדה מינית של עובדי ההוראה.
East West offer both iGCSE and A-Levels. Their fees are roughly half of ican. http://www.ewiscambodia.org/index.php/school-fees
...I'm also hearing that Northbridge are seriously (idiotically IMO) considering switching from IB to A-Levels to differentiate themselves from ISPP...but that could well be a baseless rumor and only speculation.
...I'm also hearing that Northbridge are seriously (idiotically IMO) considering switching from IB to A-Levels to differentiate themselves from ISPP...but that could well be a baseless rumor and only speculation.
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Tell me about it, one kid there was bad, two is brutal. Makes me take birth control a little seriously.Lucky Lucan wrote:That's a fairly heavy bill. I'm thinking I might have to relocate back west for a while.
I think Eastwest are a cheaper alternative that follows the UK system right through to GCSE's and A Levels. They are my current fallback plan.
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The thing with Eastwest is that it all looks good on paper, but I don't know anyone who has kids there.
Does anyone have first hand experience of the place?
Does anyone have first hand experience of the place?
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Don't get me wrong, it would also be my first choice if I had kids. A standard that will be recognized everywhere, good location etc. Is it partly subsidized? Still, five thousand per year ads up quickly (especially if you have a second one, like Starkmonster). My fall-back plan is to send them to the west to live with their grand-parents/aunt/uncle once they reach high school age. Then again, the school situation here might change drastically in the next ten years. I didn't know half these schools existed.logos wrote:Like most int'l French lycées, Descartes is one of the top schools in PP, with probably (certainly if you're not American) a more suitable curriculum than Northbridge or ISPP, for 50% of the price (or better if you're French). Add to it exposure to, and proficiency in foreign languages that you simply don't get in English speaking schools. That'd be my first choice if I have kids who need to go to school in Cambodia.
I remember reading and researching chinese khmer schools a few years ago, some of which also offered a strong curriculum. Anybody been there yet ?
I used to always hear that as well, but I think that may be a slightly outdated notion. Most French I know are pretty well-spoken and some of the most vocal/independent thinkers I know.electron wrote:The problem with the Lycee is that it's obviously the French curriculum and teaching style, which is quite rote.
5K or even 10K in fees is reasonably achievable for anyone established here, but it doesn't scale very well...
Thanks everyone for suggestions and insights!
I forgot to precise one thing and it is that his dad and I also wish for our son to know about his country of birth too, so we are also looking for Khmer classes at the same school, or even the Khmer primary curriculum being proposed.
The school I visited offers a bi-lingual program (half-day for IPC and half-day for Khmer program). Do the other schools also propose such dual program or at least some Khmer language classes?
I forgot to precise one thing and it is that his dad and I also wish for our son to know about his country of birth too, so we are also looking for Khmer classes at the same school, or even the Khmer primary curriculum being proposed.
The school I visited offers a bi-lingual program (half-day for IPC and half-day for Khmer program). Do the other schools also propose such dual program or at least some Khmer language classes?
Footprints offer a Khmer competent http://www.footprintsschool.edu.kh/prim ... s-1-5.html
(They're also opening a campus for grades 1 & 2 in BKK1 soon)
East-West also offer it http://www.ewiscambodia.org/index.php/c ... elementary
Both of the above (to the best of my knowledge) only offer the Khmer language/literature component of the Cambodian curriculum, so probably only an hour/a class a day rather than half day for those kids who's parents want them to follow it (whilst those non-Cambodian kids who haven't opted to study it split off and do another subject like music or art]...logic being maths and science are universal and can be learnt/taught in English.
(They're also opening a campus for grades 1 & 2 in BKK1 soon)
East-West also offer it http://www.ewiscambodia.org/index.php/c ... elementary
Both of the above (to the best of my knowledge) only offer the Khmer language/literature component of the Cambodian curriculum, so probably only an hour/a class a day rather than half day for those kids who's parents want them to follow it (whilst those non-Cambodian kids who haven't opted to study it split off and do another subject like music or art]...logic being maths and science are universal and can be learnt/taught in English.
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