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Haha scob still got your knickers in a knot old mate..
Rice cakes if your ever up for a beer let me know I'm based in Hanoi and regularly ride motos into the mountains around northern Vietnam, just came back from Pu Luong..
I'm no English teacher, but to be legit in Vietnam you need a degree and a teaching certification.. There are plenty of "bottomfeeder" jobs available without those prerequisites however have a mate who's a mechanic by trade in AUS yet gets $25/hr to teach English...
Rice cakes if your ever up for a beer let me know I'm based in Hanoi and regularly ride motos into the mountains around northern Vietnam, just came back from Pu Luong..
I'm no English teacher, but to be legit in Vietnam you need a degree and a teaching certification.. There are plenty of "bottomfeeder" jobs available without those prerequisites however have a mate who's a mechanic by trade in AUS yet gets $25/hr to teach English...
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I lived in Ha Noi for a few years and loved it, but the weather is shite.Starving Pelican wrote:Not sure if Senor Cakes has seen his new hometown yet, but I agree with our Northerner friend in that it's a great city with a lot of history and things to see. Surprisingly good food and microbrew beer, too. And it actually has a winter!LexusSchmexus wrote:Sooooo... No answer was given. How's Hanoi ricecakes? Do you like that lake and the coffee shops? How would you rank Manila, Phnom Penh and Hanoi on a scale of 1-10?
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Summers suck. But it does have a winter.Hanno wrote:I lived in Ha Noi for a few years and loved it, but the weather is shite.Starving Pelican wrote:Not sure if Senor Cakes has seen his new hometown yet, but I agree with our Northerner friend in that it's a great city with a lot of history and things to see. Surprisingly good food and microbrew beer, too. And it actually has a winter!LexusSchmexus wrote:Sooooo... No answer was given. How's Hanoi ricecakes? Do you like that lake and the coffee shops? How would you rank Manila, Phnom Penh and Hanoi on a scale of 1-10?
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Starving Pelican wrote:Summers suck. But it does have a winter.Hanno wrote:I lived in Ha Noi for a few years and loved it, but the weather is shite.Starving Pelican wrote:Not sure if Senor Cakes has seen his new hometown yet, but I agree with our Northerner friend in that it's a great city with a lot of history and things to see. Surprisingly good food and microbrew beer, too. And it actually has a winter!LexusSchmexus wrote:Sooooo... No answer was given. How's Hanoi ricecakes? Do you like that lake and the coffee shops? How would you rank Manila, Phnom Penh and Hanoi on a scale of 1-10?
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Yes, if you are unlucky three months of drizzle, humidity, and cold.
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If you are after money in TEFL, go to the Gulf. However, there is a reason why they pay well. I'll be probably be earning less in Cambodia than what I'm saving in Oman and I still can't wait to get out of here and move to Phnom Penh! My first year was OK because everything was new, but, this year has really dragged on. BTW, Oman is widely considered as one of the most appealing countries in the GCC, the Omanis are, hands down, the friendliest of the Gulf Arabs and the city I live in is thought to be one of the nicest in the region. 'Nuff said.
The OP was talking about private tuition, which is a little bit different from classroom teaching. Twenty dollars per hour, at least for a Western native speaker, would be considered at the low end for privates in Saigon or Hanoi. However, I knew plenty of people who were doing it for that rate. As to what you get for private lessons in Cambodia, I wouldn't have a clue.
In regards to classroom teaching, I've worked in Hanoi and Saigon for ACET, and I'm about to work in Cambodia for ACE. The pay is comparable. Maybe a couple of bucks less an hour but, all in all, not much in it. It seems pretty much the same for the 'bottom feeding' schools in both countries as well. The lowest paid of the 'big chains' in VN was/is VUS and, when I was there, they were paying around $15 per hour. However, you still needed a degree and a TEFL certificate. Legend has it that the standards at VUS are/were pretty low and, if you want to do things half arsed and not have management get on your case, it is probably not a bad option . If you couldn't get a job with VUS then you are definitely at the bottom end of the market and looking at less than $15 per hour. I've heard that an unqualified Western teacher in Phnom Penh (no degree, no experience, no TEFL) can get around 10 bucks an hour without too many problems. So, once again, all in all, not that much in it. The main difference is, at least it seems to me, is that there are more 'middle' schools to choose from in Vietnam which pay OK, are decent and not overly hard for a new, qualified teacher to get into.
The OP was talking about private tuition, which is a little bit different from classroom teaching. Twenty dollars per hour, at least for a Western native speaker, would be considered at the low end for privates in Saigon or Hanoi. However, I knew plenty of people who were doing it for that rate. As to what you get for private lessons in Cambodia, I wouldn't have a clue.
In regards to classroom teaching, I've worked in Hanoi and Saigon for ACET, and I'm about to work in Cambodia for ACE. The pay is comparable. Maybe a couple of bucks less an hour but, all in all, not much in it. It seems pretty much the same for the 'bottom feeding' schools in both countries as well. The lowest paid of the 'big chains' in VN was/is VUS and, when I was there, they were paying around $15 per hour. However, you still needed a degree and a TEFL certificate. Legend has it that the standards at VUS are/were pretty low and, if you want to do things half arsed and not have management get on your case, it is probably not a bad option . If you couldn't get a job with VUS then you are definitely at the bottom end of the market and looking at less than $15 per hour. I've heard that an unqualified Western teacher in Phnom Penh (no degree, no experience, no TEFL) can get around 10 bucks an hour without too many problems. So, once again, all in all, not that much in it. The main difference is, at least it seems to me, is that there are more 'middle' schools to choose from in Vietnam which pay OK, are decent and not overly hard for a new, qualified teacher to get into.
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ACE is a great place to work, and does have admirable standards, but it can only ever be a stepping stone when you're young.1st Sgt Welsh wrote:
In regards to classroom teaching, I've worked in Hanoi and Saigon for ACET, and I'm about to work in Cambodia for ACE. The pay is comparable. Maybe a couple of bucks less an hour but, all in all, not much in it.
Even a teacher with just a CELTA and first degree can expect to have a full time contract offering 20 days paid hols, at the very least, and your flights immediately reimbursed upon arrival in most semi decent schools in Asia.
ACE rarely offers this, of course, and that hourly pay starts to tumble right away.
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I did private lessons for awhile in PP. The amount you are paid depends on a few factors. It is possible to earn 20+ an hour in PP1st Sgt Welsh wrote:If you are after money in TEFL, go to the Gulf. However, there is a reason why they pay well. I'll be probably be earning less in Cambodia than what I'm saving in Oman and I still can't wait to get out of here and move to Phnom Penh! My first year was OK because everything was new, but, this year has really dragged on. BTW, Oman is widely considered as one of the most appealing countries in the GCC, the Omanis are, hands down, the friendliest of the Gulf Arabs and the city I live in is thought to be one of the nicest in the region. 'Nuff said.
The OP was talking about private tuition, which is a little bit different from classroom teaching. Twenty dollars per hour, at least for a Western native speaker, would be considered at the low end for privates in Saigon or Hanoi. However, I knew plenty of people who were doing it for that rate. As to what you get for private lessons in Cambodia, I wouldn't have a clue.
In regards to classroom teaching, I've worked in Hanoi and Saigon for ACET, and I'm about to work in Cambodia for ACE. The pay is comparable. Maybe a couple of bucks less an hour but, all in all, not much in it. It seems pretty much the same for the 'bottom feeding' schools in both countries as well. The lowest paid of the 'big chains' in VN was/is VUS and, when I was there, they were paying around $15 per hour. However, you still needed a degree and a TEFL certificate. Legend has it that the standards at VUS are/were pretty low and, if you want to do things half arsed and not have management get on your case, it is probably not a bad option . If you couldn't get a job with VUS then you are definitely at the bottom end of the market and looking at less than $15 per hour. I've heard that an unqualified Western teacher in Phnom Penh (no degree, no experience, no TEFL) can get around 10 bucks an hour without too many problems. So, once again, all in all, not that much in it. The main difference is, at least it seems to me, is that there are more 'middle' schools to choose from in Vietnam which pay OK, are decent and not overly hard for a new, qualified teacher to get into.
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Given your somewhat erratic state of mind on here, you must have been pulling about $3/4 an hour?violet wrote:
I did private lessons for awhile in PP. The amount you are paid depends on a few factors. It is possible to earn 20+ an hour in PP
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VUS and VAS remind me a lot of the Cambodian schools but are much better equipped in general. !5$ p h you say? That's very low, they used to pay 18 not so long ago. The real bottom end in Vietnam are agencies that pay 12. Never heard of as low as 10. Government schools pay from 15-22. Need a degree? only so they can tick their form. lol. If your a good teacher ( even if your an alchy - I know a few), you can easily pull in over 2000 per month. More like 3000. Just got to meet the right people for the introductions is all. I get 12 -26 here in KOW doing privates but not enough hours to really save a lot so far.
Of course the main thing is that you just have to prepare your lessons and teach. No exam marking, curriculum writing etc etc. Your 15-up is for teaching only. Also, they don't take every holiday off under the sun unless you work for a government school. Then it nearly 3 months in the summer that you have to cover for. More people around now so it's getting harder.
But if you guys think its harder in Vietnam, who am I to argue.
Of course the main thing is that you just have to prepare your lessons and teach. No exam marking, curriculum writing etc etc. Your 15-up is for teaching only. Also, they don't take every holiday off under the sun unless you work for a government school. Then it nearly 3 months in the summer that you have to cover for. More people around now so it's getting harder.
But if you guys think its harder in Vietnam, who am I to argue.
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I know a few businesses that paid $35 plus hourly for a business English course. I believe that you can get much more as well.
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Yep, I work for agencies here and they get that, pass it on to me for 26. I really should get off my ass and get some cards printed up.GMJS-440 wrote:I know a few businesses that paid $35 plus hourly for a business English course. I believe that you can get much more as well.
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When I was in Vietnam, which is over two years ago now, the starting wage at VUS was 15 bucks an hour. At least that's what I heard. However, I never worked there and maybe I was misinformed, or maybe the pay has gone up since then . I was making just over three grand a month when I was working full-time at RMIT Vietnam. The British Council paid about the same. However, they were two of the best-paying gigs in Vietnam and most EFL teachers in Hanoi or Saigon, or at least most of the ones I knew, were pulling in just under two grand a month gross. They were working mostly at the big language mills though and they had degrees and TEFL certificates.Mr Lovejuice wrote:VUS and VAS remind me a lot of the Cambodian schools but are much better equipped in general. !5$ p h you say? That's very low, they used to pay 18 not so long ago. The real bottom end in Vietnam are agencies that pay 12. Never heard of as low as 10. Government schools pay from 15-22. Need a degree? only so they can tick their form. lol. If your a good teacher ( even if your an alchy - I know a few), you can easily pull in over 2000 per month. More like 3000. Just got to meet the right people for the introductions is all. I get 12 -26 here in KOW but not enough hours to really save a lot so far.
Also, another thing I should have taken into account, is the unpaid holidays which appear to be much more numerous in Cambodia than they are in Vietnam.
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I was in Vietnam over 3 years ago, and the wages were coming down as the amount of foreigners piling over to teach increased. I'm surprised you only got 3000 pm at RMIT. 3000/ 160 hours (40 pw) = 18.75 ph plus benefits like return flight, health package etc. Is that all they give for someone with an education degree and a CELTA?1st Sgt Welsh wrote:When I was in Vietnam, which is over two years ago now, the starting wage at VUS was 15 bucks an hour. At least that's what I heard. However, I never worked there and maybe I was misinformed, or maybe the pay has gone up since then . I was making just over three grand a month when I was working full-time at RMIT Vietnam. The British Council paid about the same. However, they were two of the best-paying gigs in Vietnam and most EFL teachers in Hanoi or Saigon, or at least most of the ones I knew, were pulling in just under two grand a month gross. They were working mostly at the big language mills though and they had degrees and TEFL certificates.Mr Lovejuice wrote:VUS and VAS remind me a lot of the Cambodian schools but are much better equipped in general. !5$ p h you say? That's very low, they used to pay 18 not so long ago. The real bottom end in Vietnam are agencies that pay 12. Never heard of as low as 10. Government schools pay from 15-22. Need a degree? only so they can tick their form. lol. If your a good teacher ( even if your an alchy - I know a few), you can easily pull in over 2000 per month. More like 3000. Just got to meet the right people for the introductions is all. I get 12 -26 here in KOW but not enough hours to really save a lot so far.
Also, another thing I should have taken into account, is the unpaid holidays which appear to be much more numerous in Cambodia than they are in Vietnam.
You'd be better off in China.
Definitely not the best gigs in Vietnam if that's all they're paying. My friend earns 35 p h in a good private school in HCMC. They have another branch in Hanoi. He makes 35 ph - 3000 for just 22 hours. Another guy I know who just left PP 6 months ago was earning 35 doing privates in Hanoi.
The best earners I found, were the younger teachers who worked two jobs at language schools for $18 (or more) ( 22 x 4 = 88 x 18 = 1,584 x 2 = 3,168) plus some privates. Plenty of work if you can get it.
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