violet wrote:ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:violet wrote:ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:violet wrote:Phuket2006 wrote:violet wrote:Am I wrong in thinking phuketdick2000 has never had a position where he had to negotiate salary and therefore obviously doesn’t understand that it is quite common not to state salary in many job advertisments and not the usual practise to ask what the salary is in the pre/early stages of a job application. It can actually cost a person a chance of securing the job to ask that at the ‘wrong’ time.
I understand, and appreciate, that the person (...cough) who set up the Cambodia Jobs FB group has a policy that salary/expected salary should be stated in posts but it really isn’t done all over the world ( yes, i realise that is no argument for operating differently)
Kinda correct, any jobs i have had, ( except those i had when i was under 30 and never in se asia) , they came to me and i told them what i wanted.
so ur saying u apply for a job not knowing what they are going to pay you? Wow
My point is it isn’t an uncommon situation in the corporate world, so a person needs to have a good idea of what the salary range is and then negotiate.
So PR’s comment was to ask for salary... you ridiculed this and now agree that you need to know the range. How do you know the range if you don’t ask the people who know - not some forum of random folk.
I recruited many people in the U.K. in the corporate world. This question, which often was asked prior to interview shortlisting, was always viewed neutrally.
Ambition is positive. People don’t work for the love of the job, people work because they need to. Remuneration is an important part of the job offer.
Um your ability to follow along seems to have been impaired. I did not remotely ridicule the OP. I ridiculed Richard
asking here is completely different to asking the job advertiser.
And your ability to follow is non existent. I never said you ridiculed the OP. What is the point of debating with you. You seem best suited to the BSCW thread.
I questioned the point of asking here - there is no issue with asking the job advertiser as PhuketRichard suggested.
Are you aware that in some countries salaries are not included in advertisements (or at least they didn't use to)? My experiences are different to yours, which does not make me wrong.
PS I agree. The bscw thread is a talent of mine.
Yes I’m aware.
In the U.K. I recruited many staff in the corporate world - just because it isn’t included doesn’t mean you can’t ask.
If it is included you get loads of redundant applications from folks thinking ‘oh I’d like that salary’.
If it isn’t included you get applications from people who consider themselves a fit for the job.
If I am recruiting someone and they don’t ask about the salary then that is a red flag to me. People (generally) work because they need to, not because they want to work. Remuneration is one of the most significant parts of the job.
You say you shouldn’t ask the advertiser what the salary is - that is stupid advice. Maybe it’s not wrong, but it’s silly.
Send a CV to the employer with a cover letter (everyone should have an up to date CV). Tell them that you are interested and have the skills and experiences for the role, and say prior to moving forward with the application could you enquire what the salary range is.
Asking about the salary is a neutral question. It won’t (shouldn’t) be viewed negatively. PR’s advice (which you mocked) was spot on.