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LINK Khmer School Videos
We had a long thread a while back about this school, but not in this thread. There was lots of debate about the effectiveness of this technique that focuses only on listening for the first few hundred hours.
Anyway they've posted a couple of clips from lessons on youtube so I thought I would post them here so that you can all see for yourselves what it's all about.
Beginner class:
Intermediate class:
Anyway they've posted a couple of clips from lessons on youtube so I thought I would post them here so that you can all see for yourselves what it's all about.
Beginner class:
Intermediate class:
Based on the "structuro-global" methodology that appeared in France in the 70's.
Hard to implement as it takes trained teachers, but if well done, way more effective than most other "traditional" methods. They seem to be doing a good job here.
Tks for the link SM.
Hard to implement as it takes trained teachers, but if well done, way more effective than most other "traditional" methods. They seem to be doing a good job here.
Tks for the link SM.
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Actually, it's based on the Automatic Language Growth system, a version of Stephen Krashen's 'Natural Approach', as put forth by J. Marvin Brown at AUA Thailand. It is still in use there, and if you look up ALGWORLD on YouTube, you will find the exact same type of class videos, except, of course, in Thai.logos wrote:Based on the "structuro-global" methodology that appeared in France in the 70's.
Hard to implement as it takes trained teachers, but if well done, way more effective than most other "traditional" methods. They seem to be doing a good job here.
Tks for the link SM.
As to it being 'way more effective', it appears to work very well for some people, but not so well for others. I think language acquisition is a function of your learning style, and some people are more suited to this type of instruction than others.
'Way more effective', if measured as the end result, without regard to how long it takes, MIGHT apply to the ALG method; indeed I have seen graduates of that method, after three to four years, speak Thai very accurately. I have also seen Mormon missionaries, who generally complete a six-month, very intensive course before their mission, speak excellent Thai.
Thai, being a tonal language, presents different challenges than non-tonal Khmer, and so I'm not sure if the advantages of ALG in learning Thai will translate to learning Khmer, but I do intend to investigate it a bit next year...
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No. I'm just a student there but I very much enjoy the school and the approach so naturally want the place to remain in business and as with all startup businesses it needs all the help it can get, so I like to bang the drum.vladimir wrote:One question:
Do you work for them?
I attended about 20+ hours at this school but decided to stop. The reason: I don't have a way to determine the effectiveness of this approach. Effectively, i would have to attend 600+ ( =$2400 ) hours at this school before i know if it is working for me. It's a huge leap of faith that i'm just not willing to take until i meet some of their graduates who can demonstrate fluency in the language. Also, one has to wonder, if this method works,why is it it not widely used. Why only a few programs in Thailand and now Cambodia?
Doing a google on Stephan Krashen i found a scathing critique on him. It appears that he advocated just the opposite approach to his 'natural approach' to the California School System. According to the author, he was behind separate instruction for non english speaking hispanic students.
If this method is shown to be effective, great.I hope it is a successful method. The classes really are fun, the teachers are great and the flexibility is certainly one of it's advantages. But I'm not up to experimenting on this approach.
Mark
Doing a google on Stephan Krashen i found a scathing critique on him. It appears that he advocated just the opposite approach to his 'natural approach' to the California School System. According to the author, he was behind separate instruction for non english speaking hispanic students.
If this method is shown to be effective, great.I hope it is a successful method. The classes really are fun, the teachers are great and the flexibility is certainly one of it's advantages. But I'm not up to experimenting on this approach.
Mark
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I'm sorry you felt that way Mark.
For most students, the way of assessing their progress is their level of understanding. As the level of vocabulary, topics and speed of speech stay the same at beginner level, students quickly realise that they are understanding more and more easily whilst at the same time acquiring new vocabulary. The first few hours of Natural Khmer are difficult because it is a challenge to concentrate on what is going on but after a while it becomes more natural. Another way to assess progress is the level of understanding of students outside of class. What I mean by this is that students who have taken classes using a more 'traditional' method, may be able to get by and be able to say a few words (mostly with an incorrect pronunciation, which is the feedback I have heard from many expats here), but are not able to have a proper conversation because they can't understand what the Khmer people answer back. Whereas for students at our school, the opposite is true as we focus on listening and understanding rather than speeking straight away.
You mention that you would have had to have studied 600 hours before knowing if the method works for you but that is not the case. You realise well before that you're understanding increases tremendously and you will make several different steps to achieving fluency. The 600 hour mark that we advertise is a rough average we have come up with before students are able to converse freely with a Cambodian (with a good pronunciation, without having to think about the words or the structure of sentences before speaking). This of course depends on students, the exposure to Khmer they have outside of classes (if they live in a Cambodian household, are spoken to in Khmer by a spouse/partner or work with many Cambodians for exemple) and many other factors.
I'm glad you did find the classes and teachers fun and you are of course welcome back, especially if you have more doubts concerning the method.
David
For most students, the way of assessing their progress is their level of understanding. As the level of vocabulary, topics and speed of speech stay the same at beginner level, students quickly realise that they are understanding more and more easily whilst at the same time acquiring new vocabulary. The first few hours of Natural Khmer are difficult because it is a challenge to concentrate on what is going on but after a while it becomes more natural. Another way to assess progress is the level of understanding of students outside of class. What I mean by this is that students who have taken classes using a more 'traditional' method, may be able to get by and be able to say a few words (mostly with an incorrect pronunciation, which is the feedback I have heard from many expats here), but are not able to have a proper conversation because they can't understand what the Khmer people answer back. Whereas for students at our school, the opposite is true as we focus on listening and understanding rather than speeking straight away.
You mention that you would have had to have studied 600 hours before knowing if the method works for you but that is not the case. You realise well before that you're understanding increases tremendously and you will make several different steps to achieving fluency. The 600 hour mark that we advertise is a rough average we have come up with before students are able to converse freely with a Cambodian (with a good pronunciation, without having to think about the words or the structure of sentences before speaking). This of course depends on students, the exposure to Khmer they have outside of classes (if they live in a Cambodian household, are spoken to in Khmer by a spouse/partner or work with many Cambodians for exemple) and many other factors.
I'm glad you did find the classes and teachers fun and you are of course welcome back, especially if you have more doubts concerning the method.
David
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Smart move.mreib wrote:I attended about 20+ hours at this school but decided to stop. The reason: I don't have a way to determine the effectiveness of this approach. Effectively, i would have to attend 600+ ( =$2400 ) hours at this school before i know if it is working for me. It's a huge leap of faith that i'm just not willing to take until i meet some of their graduates who can demonstrate fluency in the language. Also, one has to wonder, if this method works,why is it it not widely used. Why only a few programs in Thailand and now Cambodia?
Doing a google on Stephan Krashen i found a scathing critique on him. It appears that he advocated just the opposite approach to his 'natural approach' to the California School System. According to the author, he was behind separate instruction for non english speaking hispanic students.
If this method is shown to be effective, great.I hope it is a successful method. The classes really are fun, the teachers are great and the flexibility is certainly one of it's advantages. But I'm not up to experimenting on this approach.
Mark
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Why is it a smart move?cambod wrote:Smart move.mreib wrote:I attended about 20+ hours at this school but decided to stop. The reason: I don't have a way to determine the effectiveness of this approach. Effectively, i would have to attend 600+ ( =$2400 ) hours at this school before i know if it is working for me. It's a huge leap of faith that i'm just not willing to take until i meet some of their graduates who can demonstrate fluency in the language. Also, one has to wonder, if this method works,why is it it not widely used. Why only a few programs in Thailand and now Cambodia?
Doing a google on Stephan Krashen i found a scathing critique on him. It appears that he advocated just the opposite approach to his 'natural approach' to the California School System. According to the author, he was behind separate instruction for non english speaking hispanic students.
If this method is shown to be effective, great.I hope it is a successful method. The classes really are fun, the teachers are great and the flexibility is certainly one of it's advantages. But I'm not up to experimenting on this approach.
Mark
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The last time I saw Gary he joined me in the intermediate lunchtime class to follows stories in the local press. I could tell by the questions he was asking that he understood the important parts of the stories discussed, for me that was pretty impressive for someone who's only been here a few months. I know quite a few people who have been here a few years who can speak quite a lot but soon get lost when someone starts speaking back.Username Taken wrote:.
I'd be interested to hear Gray Pilgrim's evaluation of the program. He arrived here in June with no previous Khmer language skills and started these classes almost immediately. So if he managed to keep up with it for the past 5 months, . . . . . .
From here: http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/view ... 6&start=15Gray Pilgrim wrote:I'm traveling from the Philippines and arriving in PP this weekend and plan to start Natural Khmer classes early next week. Thank you all for the encouraging comments about this natural learning method. I'd like to attend 25-30 hours per week and see what happens. (I'm retired with a pension so I have plenty of free time.)
I also have a friend who's attended the RUPP class, he's been here full time about a year or so and he has got to an impressive conversational level, but he clearly has a knack for languages as he speaks a few others already and is very dedicated to practising with any local who will listen.
I went back for a lesson yesterday and today after a month away and have to say that it felt good.
I read about the place in the paper today and it rang a bell, I watched some of the video and it looks like it would work for me.I can speak a lot now but I still dont understand enough, but if I applied myself for a few months I know I could conquer it now.
I might go for one session and see how it goes.....
I might go for one session and see how it goes.....
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I think people like us who've been here a while and lived in households where Khmer is the dominant language get the most out of it. I tend to hear the same things over and over at home, that place exposed me to lots of new vocab and really sparked my interest in taking my Khmer to the next level. I just wish I had time to go more often.
My other new found learning resource is ABC radio. It's like a phone in station that people call to report crimes and accidents. Very interesting content and they tend to talk in a more informal way than things like the TV news.
My other new found learning resource is ABC radio. It's like a phone in station that people call to report crimes and accidents. Very interesting content and they tend to talk in a more informal way than things like the TV news.
ABC radio, that sounds good.
I speak khmer here in snooky almost all the time and the khmets are genuine when they that say that you speak khmer jrown.
I was at the beach the other day and there was a french khmer family group at the next table. Their khmer was so pure and clear, it was amazing how correct it was.The language has become so informal and bastardised now I believe.
I speak khmer here in snooky almost all the time and the khmets are genuine when they that say that you speak khmer jrown.
I was at the beach the other day and there was a french khmer family group at the next table. Their khmer was so pure and clear, it was amazing how correct it was.The language has become so informal and bastardised now I believe.
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Me too, usually involving numbers and this word "loy".starkmonster wrote: I tend to hear the same things over and over at home
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