Who knows their beer?
Who knows their beer?
Hi Everyone
Who truly knows their beer? Who for example can genuinely tell me the difference between an Anchor and a Calsberg or a Cambodia or a Ganzberg?
Whats the difference between draft and bottled beer? Do you know how its made?
We all drink it but I wanted to try a small study to see who truly knows their beer....
I look forward to your comments.....please try and keep most of them serious.
Bob
Who truly knows their beer? Who for example can genuinely tell me the difference between an Anchor and a Calsberg or a Cambodia or a Ganzberg?
Whats the difference between draft and bottled beer? Do you know how its made?
We all drink it but I wanted to try a small study to see who truly knows their beer....
I look forward to your comments.....please try and keep most of them serious.
Bob
I brewed beer for over 10 years back in the states, so i guess i know a thing or two. Basically the brands you mentioned are all of the same style, light lager. The differences come from the types of malt, hops and yeast used in the recipe. Also the water in the area of the brewery can affect the flavor. There are over 40 types of malt and even more varieties of hops and yeast a brewer can use when making a recipe, so there's basically an infinite range of beers one can make. Although a limit to the number of good ones.
As far as packaging - bottled beer and draft are done the same way - forcing CO2 into the container and sealing it; unless the beer is bottle conditioned, like many Belgian ales. This means they add a bit more yeast to the beer at bottling and it ferments again slightly in the bottle leaving behind a slight yeast bed in the bottle. Can't speak for canning as I never did that, but I imagine it's similar to bottling.
Draft usually tastes better, provided the lines are cleaned often and the kegs are stored properly because light can affect the flavor of beer. That's why most beer is bottled in brown bottles because it blocks most of the light. If you've ever gotten a "skunky" tasting beer from a green or clear bottle it's most likely due to overexposure to light. However, draft here tastes bad quite often due to lines not being clean or kept cold as well as the keg.
Cambodia is definitely not an ideal country for storing beer, but sometimes one has to make sacrifices, and you can get Sierra Nevada here on a regular basis now and some of the Belgian restaurant are stocking high quality Belgian ales now, so life is getting better
As far as packaging - bottled beer and draft are done the same way - forcing CO2 into the container and sealing it; unless the beer is bottle conditioned, like many Belgian ales. This means they add a bit more yeast to the beer at bottling and it ferments again slightly in the bottle leaving behind a slight yeast bed in the bottle. Can't speak for canning as I never did that, but I imagine it's similar to bottling.
Draft usually tastes better, provided the lines are cleaned often and the kegs are stored properly because light can affect the flavor of beer. That's why most beer is bottled in brown bottles because it blocks most of the light. If you've ever gotten a "skunky" tasting beer from a green or clear bottle it's most likely due to overexposure to light. However, draft here tastes bad quite often due to lines not being clean or kept cold as well as the keg.
Cambodia is definitely not an ideal country for storing beer, but sometimes one has to make sacrifices, and you can get Sierra Nevada here on a regular basis now and some of the Belgian restaurant are stocking high quality Belgian ales now, so life is getting better
If you ask me why I'm drunk all the time, levels my head and eases my mind. - Bob Dylan "I Shall be Free"
Beer
Stout - Guinness/Murphys, etc.
Ale/Pale Ale/Bitters - Abbott Ale, Bishop's Finger, Spitfire, Flowers, Coopers, etc.
Everything else is a bunch of gold coloured liquid filled with gas and should only be consumed in absolute emergencies and the absence of availability of proper beer.
Budweiser should just be poured directly into the drain, even in the absence of proper beer or gold coloured bubbly liquid.
S'ooooom orkun!
Stout - Guinness/Murphys, etc.
Ale/Pale Ale/Bitters - Abbott Ale, Bishop's Finger, Spitfire, Flowers, Coopers, etc.
Everything else is a bunch of gold coloured liquid filled with gas and should only be consumed in absolute emergencies and the absence of availability of proper beer.
Budweiser should just be poured directly into the drain, even in the absence of proper beer or gold coloured bubbly liquid.
S'ooooom orkun!
Meum est propositum in taberna mori,
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
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Budweiser is a fine beer. I wouldn't drink a Guinness if you bought it for me. Beer should be/do five things: get you drunk, taste good, be cold, be inexpensive, and not get you hung over.Spigzy wrote:Beer
Stout - Guinness/Murphys, etc.
Ale/Pale Ale/Bitters - Abbott Ale, Bishop's Finger, Spitfire, Flowers, Coopers, etc.
Everything else is a bunch of gold coloured liquid filled with gas and should only be consumed in absolute emergencies and the absence of availability of proper beer.
Budweiser should just be poured directly into the drain, even in the absence of proper beer or gold coloured bubbly liquid.
S'ooooom orkun!
That being said, the best beer in the world is Beer Lao.
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You should be fined for saying that. It may be the king of advertising but it is no 'king of beers'!nightmare.believer wrote: Budweiser is a fine beer.
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This is pretty much spot on. Recipe-wise, mechanics-wise, every pale, fizzy, tasteless Asian rice lager you're going to find in this country and most of its neighbors is essentially identical. You're going to get minor differences based on fermentation temperatures, water pH and hardness, slightly different yeast strains ... but for the most part, they're 50%+ rice malt extract, ~25% pilsener malt extract, and the rest is dextrose or some other cheap fermentable, with trace amounts of kitchen-sink pelletized hops added as a bittering agent. There are exceptions - the occasional dark lager and slightly-better-tasting Pilsener (Kingdom), the stuff Himiwari does, and, of course, the increasingly-more-frequently-available foreign export stouts, which are essentially the same recipe as above but with heavily kilned barley used in lieu of the pilsener malt extract. The dextrose and rice are still present in the latter, of course, or else you'd never get an 8% abv finished product. If you're just looking to get drunk, they'll do the drink. But if you're looking to convince yourself you're more than just an alcoholic by carefully wrapping your illusion up in the facade of an appreciation for fine craft, you ought look elsewhere.beerbaron wrote:I brewed beer for over 10 years back in the states, so i guess i know a thing or two. Basically the brands you mentioned are all of the same style, light lager. The differences come from the types of malt, hops and yeast used in the recipe. Also the water in the area of the brewery can affect the flavor. There are over 40 types of malt and even more varieties of hops and yeast a brewer can use when making a recipe, so there's basically an infinite range of beers one can make. Although a limit to the number of good ones.
As far as packaging - bottled beer and draft are done the same way - forcing CO2 into the container and sealing it; unless the beer is bottle conditioned, like many Belgian ales. This means they add a bit more yeast to the beer at bottling and it ferments again slightly in the bottle leaving behind a slight yeast bed in the bottle. Can't speak for canning as I never did that, but I imagine it's similar to bottling.
Draft usually tastes better, provided the lines are cleaned often and the kegs are stored properly because light can affect the flavor of beer. That's why most beer is bottled in brown bottles because it blocks most of the light. If you've ever gotten a "skunky" tasting beer from a green or clear bottle it's most likely due to overexposure to light. However, draft here tastes bad quite often due to lines not being clean or kept cold as well as the keg.
Cambodia is definitely not an ideal country for storing beer, but sometimes one has to make sacrifices, and you can get Sierra Nevada here on a regular basis now and some of the Belgian restaurant are stocking high quality Belgian ales now, so life is getting better
Source: Avid homebrewer for quite some time, co-owner of a craft brewery, and former alleged town drunk (not former because I've given it up, but I'm outclassed in PP).
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I'm an american... FROM St. Louis.... and I agree (with Nasty Canasta).Nasty Canasta wrote:You should be fined for saying that. It may be the king of advertising but it is no 'king of beers'!nightmare.believer wrote: Budweiser is a fine beer.
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Sorry for singling out Budweiser, of course any Australian would castigate you for recommending Fosters which is an abomination attributed to Australians but none of them actually buy it; only Aussie soap (opera) lovers in the UK ever bought the crap thinking it'd turn them into Jason Donovan and let them bag Kylie ... hmm, Kylie ... actually it was quite a good beer.
Meum est propositum in taberna mori,
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
I think Kingdom Gold is one of the best value beers you can buy here, a carton of 24 cans for about $8, far better than Anchor and Angkor which I dont believe is of very good quality. It has a sweeter european taste, and I believe their better quality is their desire to capture the premium beer market.
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Cheers OD!OrangeDragon wrote:I'm an american... FROM St. Louis.... and I agree (with Nasty Canasta).Nasty Canasta wrote:You should be fined for saying that. It may be the king of advertising but it is no 'king of beers'!nightmare.believer wrote: Budweiser is a fine beer.
I think Budweiser is comparable to a burger from McDonald's - millions of people obviously like them, but they are just crap. You wonder about some peoples taste buds...I would guess most kids back home wouldn't have eaten a decent hamburger, ever, and grow up with an acquired taste for crappy junk food. Spose it's the same for Bud, Fosters and a lot of the other 'National' beers people tacitly learn to like them or are socialised to like them. Each to their own though.
infinitus wrote:I think Kingdom Gold is one of the best value beers you can buy here, a carton of 24 cans for about $8, far better than Anchor and Angkor which I dont believe is of very good quality. It has a sweeter european taste, and I believe their better quality is their desire to capture the premium beer market.
Trust you to pick the cheapest possible option.
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I'll grant you that, but what precisely are you referring to?johnnyj wrote:You lot are a bunch of uncultured heathens!
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Yeah... i will say the stuff we have in the states isn't as bad as what's here. different brewing facility, sits too long, something.... the stuff here is so bad i can't finish one. the stuff in the US i can drink, just not something i go for when there are other options. bud light is a little better... just because it's a little more watered down to not as much of the shit taste i imagine. miller light is a pretty decent US beer, in fact it's my normal "go to" beer there especially when outdoors in the summer. light and refreshing.Nasty Canasta wrote:Cheers OD!OrangeDragon wrote:I'm an american... FROM St. Louis.... and I agree (with Nasty Canasta).Nasty Canasta wrote:You should be fined for saying that. It may be the king of advertising but it is no 'king of beers'!nightmare.believer wrote: Budweiser is a fine beer.
I think Budweiser is comparable to a burger from McDonald's - millions of people obviously like them, but they are just crap. You wonder about some peoples taste buds...I would guess most kids back home wouldn't have eaten a decent hamburger, ever, and grow up with an acquired taste for crappy junk food. Spose it's the same for Bud, Fosters and a lot of the other 'National' beers people tacitly learn to like them or are socialised to like them. Each to their own though.
Those who begin coercive elimination of dissent soon find themselves exterminating dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only the unanimity of the graveyard.
Robert H. Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
Robert H. Jackson, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette
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