Flying with baby
Not sure which airport that was - going from Amsterdam to Madrid the security guys unpacked my little guy's Avengers figurines & had a good laugh that they were on an adventure, with some concern that Hulk might not react well to the X-Ray machine so they'd be extra careful.
What I really enjoyed was seeing the segregation of male and female passengers in Kuala Lumpur - the number of Chinese couples split up leaving one person that could speak English on one side and the other partner completely stuck about the process was an amazing clusterfuck.
Absolutely right about the luggage belts though, I don't know what it is with Chinese & even Khmer - particularly the latter; the moment they get behind the wheel of a car or a bike, or there is a queue of any description they become complete assholes. Or if there is a seafood buffet.
What I really enjoyed was seeing the segregation of male and female passengers in Kuala Lumpur - the number of Chinese couples split up leaving one person that could speak English on one side and the other partner completely stuck about the process was an amazing clusterfuck.
Absolutely right about the luggage belts though, I don't know what it is with Chinese & even Khmer - particularly the latter; the moment they get behind the wheel of a car or a bike, or there is a queue of any description they become complete assholes. Or if there is a seafood buffet.
Meum est propositum in taberna mori,
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
ut sint Guinness proxima morientis ori.
tunc cantabunt letius angelorum chori:
"Sit Deus propitius huic potatori."
Besides the suggestions above, more nappies than you think you'll need, a few changes of clothes, wet wipes, and some expressed milk if possible, so mum can rest and not have the boob out as much, bagged up under the limit for liquids with a few bottles to decant into on the air. Some baby paracetamol.
Infants will help you get priority lanes at immigration at many airports.
If older, I'd make sure you have something to keep them well occupied. Cough syrup isn't a bad idea for sedation.
Infants will help you get priority lanes at immigration at many airports.
If older, I'd make sure you have something to keep them well occupied. Cough syrup isn't a bad idea for sedation.
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It’s with a three month old...
The express/priority line is a good thing to know/remember. Is that with US immigration too?
The express/priority line is a good thing to know/remember. Is that with US immigration too?
Yes, in the US they now have a special line for half breed children that guarantees their safety and welfare for as long as it takes.FatherTime wrote:It’s with a three month old...
The express/priority line is a good thing to know/remember. Is that with US immigration too?
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1. Bring a large pillow. When we flew to the US with our 15 month old we bought two tickets. On two flights (China to LA) and (WAS to Abu Dhabi) we got lucky and had an empty seat so that was super. On two flights (SR to China, and Abu Dhabi to BKK) we didn't get so lucky. But the pillow allowed us to have him sleep on our laps.
2. thin blanket you don't care about. Something is going to go wrong and a big mess will need to be absorbed!
3. Lots of wipes & diapers. And a couple of cheap washcloths that you can use to wipe him down during the flight if needed.
4. formula. We brought a brand new (unopened) small sized can. AND we had put formula into 4 bottles we had in our carry on. That way we didn't have to open the can until the 2nd flight and went through security with the can unopened. Our experiences flying have been ok, but I've read that it can be hit/miss as it pertains to open baby formula.
5. Can of snacks - we had a gerber cheese curl type thing. More for the layovers than the flights.
6. Brought one toy for the layover - small car that he could push around. On the plane he joked with other passengers behind us, watched cartoons on the tv, and looked at videos we had loaded on my wife's phone (and we had bought/used a portable phone charger that my wife brought - allowed us to recharge the phone twice during the trip without needing a plug). And he slept a lot.
7. two change of clothes (in China there was a baby changing room and we used it to give him a quick bath and put on fresh clothes) - I had actually thought ahead and brought an empty water bottle from the plane and we used that to give him a bath/shower. And a change of clothes for yourselves! I had to change a shirt when a food tray got flipped over by my son
8. Stroller. Flying from SR to US we went through China - had to literally refuse to get on the bus from the plane as they kept telling me to go to baggage claim to get our stroller (well we weren't going to baggage claim as we were transit passengers!!!). Finally, they relented and gave us the stroller - if we weren't able to point to it across the plane I think we would have lost it. When we flew back - they wouldn't gait check the stroller for Abu Dhabi - they said there were loaners we could use (in Abu Dhabi that was true - but not in BKK). So that was messed up - we used the small baggage strollers that are around the airport in BKK as our stroller when we transferred in BKK.
9. We were flying as a family so both mother and father were present. If thats not the case, you'll need a certified letter from the other spouse saying its ok for the child to travel AND you should have a copy of the birth certificate just to be on the safe side. When arriving in the US the one difficult thing was I had to scan my son's passport and then hold him up for his photo - it was tricky and took three tries. There was no sign of any priority line for those with babies that I saw - though in fairness the line we were in only took about 15 minutes to get to the machines. Surprisingly I wasn't asked about his mother (who was on the other side with her visa) by the immigration officer - was basically - welcome home. On a previous trip - arriving in Bangkok we were escorted to the front of an immigration line due to having a baby but that didn't happen in LA.
It was not my son's first flight - he had flown twice before to/from Bangkok and he enjoyed those flights. Overall it was ok. My wife was pregnant at the time so it was a long trip for her but we managed ok. We did not give him anything in terms of medicine nor would I consider doing so. We simply kept him engaged until tired and let him sleep.
One final note - my son flew out of Cambodia using his Cambodian passport at immigration (which had his exit card from our previous trip), entered the US on his US passport (when we checked in we presented his US passport to airline so they know he can enter US - did reverse when flying from US - showed Cambodia passport). When we arrived back in Cambodia the guy literally couldn't understand how our son didn't have a US stamp in his Cambodia passport. He didn't allow me to be up with my wife/son during the process - he then asked my wife where they flew in from - she said Bangkok. He then went bizerk claiming that we were doing something wrong - a manager/more senior person was called - I ignored their instructions to stay back and simply took the passports from the 1st guy and explained to the 2nd guy what was done (and that we were never "in" Bangkok - just transiting). They then both claimed that this wasn't ok - that he needed to use his US passport or he needed stamps in his Cambodia passport from Thailand and US - I simply refused to do that and told them they were incorrect. Finally another gentleman appeared - explained the situation to him and he said ok. I told my wife next time we're picking a line with a younger person or woman. Those two guys weren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
Good luck with your trip.
2. thin blanket you don't care about. Something is going to go wrong and a big mess will need to be absorbed!
3. Lots of wipes & diapers. And a couple of cheap washcloths that you can use to wipe him down during the flight if needed.
4. formula. We brought a brand new (unopened) small sized can. AND we had put formula into 4 bottles we had in our carry on. That way we didn't have to open the can until the 2nd flight and went through security with the can unopened. Our experiences flying have been ok, but I've read that it can be hit/miss as it pertains to open baby formula.
5. Can of snacks - we had a gerber cheese curl type thing. More for the layovers than the flights.
6. Brought one toy for the layover - small car that he could push around. On the plane he joked with other passengers behind us, watched cartoons on the tv, and looked at videos we had loaded on my wife's phone (and we had bought/used a portable phone charger that my wife brought - allowed us to recharge the phone twice during the trip without needing a plug). And he slept a lot.
7. two change of clothes (in China there was a baby changing room and we used it to give him a quick bath and put on fresh clothes) - I had actually thought ahead and brought an empty water bottle from the plane and we used that to give him a bath/shower. And a change of clothes for yourselves! I had to change a shirt when a food tray got flipped over by my son
8. Stroller. Flying from SR to US we went through China - had to literally refuse to get on the bus from the plane as they kept telling me to go to baggage claim to get our stroller (well we weren't going to baggage claim as we were transit passengers!!!). Finally, they relented and gave us the stroller - if we weren't able to point to it across the plane I think we would have lost it. When we flew back - they wouldn't gait check the stroller for Abu Dhabi - they said there were loaners we could use (in Abu Dhabi that was true - but not in BKK). So that was messed up - we used the small baggage strollers that are around the airport in BKK as our stroller when we transferred in BKK.
9. We were flying as a family so both mother and father were present. If thats not the case, you'll need a certified letter from the other spouse saying its ok for the child to travel AND you should have a copy of the birth certificate just to be on the safe side. When arriving in the US the one difficult thing was I had to scan my son's passport and then hold him up for his photo - it was tricky and took three tries. There was no sign of any priority line for those with babies that I saw - though in fairness the line we were in only took about 15 minutes to get to the machines. Surprisingly I wasn't asked about his mother (who was on the other side with her visa) by the immigration officer - was basically - welcome home. On a previous trip - arriving in Bangkok we were escorted to the front of an immigration line due to having a baby but that didn't happen in LA.
It was not my son's first flight - he had flown twice before to/from Bangkok and he enjoyed those flights. Overall it was ok. My wife was pregnant at the time so it was a long trip for her but we managed ok. We did not give him anything in terms of medicine nor would I consider doing so. We simply kept him engaged until tired and let him sleep.
One final note - my son flew out of Cambodia using his Cambodian passport at immigration (which had his exit card from our previous trip), entered the US on his US passport (when we checked in we presented his US passport to airline so they know he can enter US - did reverse when flying from US - showed Cambodia passport). When we arrived back in Cambodia the guy literally couldn't understand how our son didn't have a US stamp in his Cambodia passport. He didn't allow me to be up with my wife/son during the process - he then asked my wife where they flew in from - she said Bangkok. He then went bizerk claiming that we were doing something wrong - a manager/more senior person was called - I ignored their instructions to stay back and simply took the passports from the 1st guy and explained to the 2nd guy what was done (and that we were never "in" Bangkok - just transiting). They then both claimed that this wasn't ok - that he needed to use his US passport or he needed stamps in his Cambodia passport from Thailand and US - I simply refused to do that and told them they were incorrect. Finally another gentleman appeared - explained the situation to him and he said ok. I told my wife next time we're picking a line with a younger person or woman. Those two guys weren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
Good luck with your trip.
Appreciate your input twiceayear.
I refuse to go out with nothing more than a whimper followed by a small farting sound and a shit stain on my bed sheets..
Just thought I'd share that with you.
Just thought I'd share that with you.
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I would think Cambodian immigration of all countries would be used to this, with the number of dual nationals coming in and out. If you applied their logic, then you could never ever use two passports, it would be a massive catch 22.twiceayear wrote: One final note - my son flew out of Cambodia using his Cambodian passport at immigration (which had his exit card from our previous trip), entered the US on his US passport (when we checked in we presented his US passport to airline so they know he can enter US - did reverse when flying from US - showed Cambodia passport). When we arrived back in Cambodia the guy literally couldn't understand how our son didn't have a US stamp in his Cambodia passport. He didn't allow me to be up with my wife/son during the process - he then asked my wife where they flew in from - she said Bangkok. He then went bizerk claiming that we were doing something wrong - a manager/more senior person was called - I ignored their instructions to stay back and simply took the passports from the 1st guy and explained to the 2nd guy what was done (and that we were never "in" Bangkok - just transiting). They then both claimed that this wasn't ok - that he needed to use his US passport or he needed stamps in his Cambodia passport from Thailand and US - I simply refused to do that and told them they were incorrect. Finally another gentleman appeared - explained the situation to him and he said ok. I told my wife next time we're picking a line with a younger person or woman. Those two guys weren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
In most countries you just need to leave on the passport that you enter on. Interestingly enough, that is not the case in the U.S. They do not track to match your exit to your entry, so you can exit on a different passport than you entered on, even if the passport you're exiting on has no U.S. visa in it. I guess they're just happy to see you go...
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Empty bottles to fill with water airside.
Extra nappies and wipes.
Change of clothes for baby and perhaps yourself.
Take warm clothes and earbuds.
You should wear a money belt and carry all passports and tickets. Be in charge of all luggage and travel details so your wife can focus on keeping the baby happy. Book a bassinet and front row seat.
Extra nappies and wipes.
Change of clothes for baby and perhaps yourself.
Take warm clothes and earbuds.
You should wear a money belt and carry all passports and tickets. Be in charge of all luggage and travel details so your wife can focus on keeping the baby happy. Book a bassinet and front row seat.
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In my experience airlines automatically assign you seats in baby rows when you travel with infants.
I hated it as you cannot stretch your barang legs properly and get to enjoy at close range the screams from the neighboring brats.
Best advice, travel with a nanny and put her in baby row. Sit a few rows back, get some sleep and keep your energy for later. It might sound cynical but it's the voice of experience over naive idealism.
I hated it as you cannot stretch your barang legs properly and get to enjoy at close range the screams from the neighboring brats.
Best advice, travel with a nanny and put her in baby row. Sit a few rows back, get some sleep and keep your energy for later. It might sound cynical but it's the voice of experience over naive idealism.
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Excellent.twiceayear wrote:1. Bring a large pillow. When we flew to the US with our 15 month old we bought two tickets. On two flights (China to LA) and (WAS to Abu Dhabi) we got lucky and had an empty seat so that was super. On two flights (SR to China, and Abu Dhabi to BKK) we didn't get so lucky. But the pillow allowed us to have him sleep on our laps.
2. thin blanket you don't care about. Something is going to go wrong and a big mess will need to be absorbed!
3. Lots of wipes & diapers. And a couple of cheap washcloths that you can use to wipe him down during the flight if needed.
4. formula. We brought a brand new (unopened) small sized can. AND we had put formula into 4 bottles we had in our carry on. That way we didn't have to open the can until the 2nd flight and went through security with the can unopened. Our experiences flying have been ok, but I've read that it can be hit/miss as it pertains to open baby formula.
5. Can of snacks - we had a gerber cheese curl type thing. More for the layovers than the flights.
6. Brought one toy for the layover - small car that he could push around. On the plane he joked with other passengers behind us, watched cartoons on the tv, and looked at videos we had loaded on my wife's phone (and we had bought/used a portable phone charger that my wife brought - allowed us to recharge the phone twice during the trip without needing a plug). And he slept a lot.
7. two change of clothes (in China there was a baby changing room and we used it to give him a quick bath and put on fresh clothes) - I had actually thought ahead and brought an empty water bottle from the plane and we used that to give him a bath/shower. And a change of clothes for yourselves! I had to change a shirt when a food tray got flipped over by my son
8. Stroller. Flying from SR to US we went through China - had to literally refuse to get on the bus from the plane as they kept telling me to go to baggage claim to get our stroller (well we weren't going to baggage claim as we were transit passengers!!!). Finally, they relented and gave us the stroller - if we weren't able to point to it across the plane I think we would have lost it. When we flew back - they wouldn't gait check the stroller for Abu Dhabi - they said there were loaners we could use (in Abu Dhabi that was true - but not in BKK). So that was messed up - we used the small baggage strollers that are around the airport in BKK as our stroller when we transferred in BKK.
9. We were flying as a family so both mother and father were present. If thats not the case, you'll need a certified letter from the other spouse saying its ok for the child to travel AND you should have a copy of the birth certificate just to be on the safe side. When arriving in the US the one difficult thing was I had to scan my son's passport and then hold him up for his photo - it was tricky and took three tries. There was no sign of any priority line for those with babies that I saw - though in fairness the line we were in only took about 15 minutes to get to the machines. Surprisingly I wasn't asked about his mother (who was on the other side with her visa) by the immigration officer - was basically - welcome home. On a previous trip - arriving in Bangkok we were escorted to the front of an immigration line due to having a baby but that didn't happen in LA.
It was not my son's first flight - he had flown twice before to/from Bangkok and he enjoyed those flights. Overall it was ok. My wife was pregnant at the time so it was a long trip for her but we managed ok. We did not give him anything in terms of medicine nor would I consider doing so. We simply kept him engaged until tired and let him sleep.
One final note - my son flew out of Cambodia using his Cambodian passport at immigration (which had his exit card from our previous trip), entered the US on his US passport (when we checked in we presented his US passport to airline so they know he can enter US - did reverse when flying from US - showed Cambodia passport). When we arrived back in Cambodia the guy literally couldn't understand how our son didn't have a US stamp in his Cambodia passport. He didn't allow me to be up with my wife/son during the process - he then asked my wife where they flew in from - she said Bangkok. He then went bizerk claiming that we were doing something wrong - a manager/more senior person was called - I ignored their instructions to stay back and simply took the passports from the 1st guy and explained to the 2nd guy what was done (and that we were never "in" Bangkok - just transiting). They then both claimed that this wasn't ok - that he needed to use his US passport or he needed stamps in his Cambodia passport from Thailand and US - I simply refused to do that and told them they were incorrect. Finally another gentleman appeared - explained the situation to him and he said ok. I told my wife next time we're picking a line with a younger person or woman. Those two guys weren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
Good luck with your trip.
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always request a bassinet in advance, (even when your infant is getting too large for the bassinets size), so that you get a bulkhead seat, and bring two pacifiers just in case you loose one.
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and if you have a collapsible buggy with storage bag: do not use the storage bag for the buggy, personnel will not recognize it as a buggy any more, and will not offload it with the other buggies, but it will arrive days later as lost luggage.
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Great advice guys (especially twiceayear). I’ll let you know if we have any lessons learned after our first long leg.
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We've now taken over 20 flights with the little guy, and have learned a few best practices. I won't be as thorough as Twiceayear above, as he had great advice and I don't want to be repetitive but just offer a few extra insights.
First off, if you can swing it, business class or premium economy are really, really nice once you start traveling with a baby in your lap. Although you might not normally think of spending this extra money on a short flight, to say Bangkok or Kuala Lumpur, it can be surprisingly affordable. One of the main advantages is the extra baggage weight, on top of easy check in, lounge access, and the comfort of a larger seat (and more attentive flight crew). You can find business class r/t to Bangkok on Thai Airways for under $350, and I flew business to KL on Malindo for less than an economy seat on Malaysian Air (which, you can bid to upgrade for as low as $80 extra). Once flying with a baby you'll realize just how much more crap you need to bring, from diapers and changes of clothes, to a travel crib and whatever else your wife jams in. On a Europe to US r/t, we opted for Premium Economy -- it wasn't too much more, but the added space on a long flight was so nice, and something to consider knowing you'll have a little heavy pocket of heat on your lap for the whole time.
Managing jet lag can be a little tricky, and it is much easier traveling west than east. If possible, keep in mind flight times and the baby's sleeping schedule. We left Bangkok at 11 PM, but were able to get the kid asleep at 10 PM and walk onto the plane with him asleep. He slept almost the entire flight, so when we arrived in Europe at 6 AM he was waking up, and really didn't have any jet lag. However, we left the US at something like 5 PM, landing in Europe at 6 AM, and he missed half his night and jet lag was a nightmare. In the future we'll be more mindful on flight times for long haul flights.
Bring a changing pad and don't be shy about changing the baby wherever you need to. Two people changing the baby will make it quicker and way less stressful, especially as you're rushing around with baggage, etc.
Don't be shy about using priority lines. There is normally a "special assistance" check-in line, and then many airports will let you use the priority immigration lanes, or security lines, etc. In the West they will specifically tell you to use these, while it varies in Asian airports. Phnom Penh will guide you to these (not that it's fully necessary), as will BKK. The Vietnamese airports have been less helpful, but why not still try?
Not only does the baby need extra clothes, but so does each parent. Bring an extra shirt or two just in case he drools/throws up/pees on you.
Other passengers are way more understanding and friendly and helpful than I expected. Not really a tip, just nice to keep in mind that most people have empathy for you, and will help if needed.
Everything takes longer with a baby. Even with priority access, somehow everything from checking in to security takes at least twice as long. Arrive earlier than you would on your own, as babies can definitely sense stress and you rushing around to get to the airport and maneuver there will then stress the kid out too. And the last thing you want is to be rushing to a gate and then have the kid drop a massive one into his diaper and need to deal with that.
Bring the stroller and car seat to the gate, and then talk with them and get a clear sense of how it will be returned to you -- once you get off the plane, or at the baggage carousal. Collecting it at baggage (sometimes oversize, sometimes not) is more common, but if you have a layover they will try to get it to you once you leave the plane.
Because of the above, if you collect it at baggage, you may get off the plane and could have an entire hour (as happened to us in Europe) without the stroller, meaning you have to walk a long way, clear immigration, etc, before you get it. Therefore, it's really useful to bring a baby carrier in your hand luggage, so that you can strap him on once you land and easily navigate all of the above before he's back in his seat.
Keep in mind that not only does everything take longer, but everything is now more expensive. If you used to take the MRT around Bangkok and order the smallest Grab cars, you (and your wife) might now decide to take larger cars to be safer, or so you can fit that giant stroller she brings along in the trunk. Just something to keep in mind.
I guess I didn't offer too many tips, just some things to keep in mind. Traveling with a baby can be easy enough, just do everything you can to reduce the stress levels involved, and give the kid as much attention as possible.
First off, if you can swing it, business class or premium economy are really, really nice once you start traveling with a baby in your lap. Although you might not normally think of spending this extra money on a short flight, to say Bangkok or Kuala Lumpur, it can be surprisingly affordable. One of the main advantages is the extra baggage weight, on top of easy check in, lounge access, and the comfort of a larger seat (and more attentive flight crew). You can find business class r/t to Bangkok on Thai Airways for under $350, and I flew business to KL on Malindo for less than an economy seat on Malaysian Air (which, you can bid to upgrade for as low as $80 extra). Once flying with a baby you'll realize just how much more crap you need to bring, from diapers and changes of clothes, to a travel crib and whatever else your wife jams in. On a Europe to US r/t, we opted for Premium Economy -- it wasn't too much more, but the added space on a long flight was so nice, and something to consider knowing you'll have a little heavy pocket of heat on your lap for the whole time.
Managing jet lag can be a little tricky, and it is much easier traveling west than east. If possible, keep in mind flight times and the baby's sleeping schedule. We left Bangkok at 11 PM, but were able to get the kid asleep at 10 PM and walk onto the plane with him asleep. He slept almost the entire flight, so when we arrived in Europe at 6 AM he was waking up, and really didn't have any jet lag. However, we left the US at something like 5 PM, landing in Europe at 6 AM, and he missed half his night and jet lag was a nightmare. In the future we'll be more mindful on flight times for long haul flights.
Bring a changing pad and don't be shy about changing the baby wherever you need to. Two people changing the baby will make it quicker and way less stressful, especially as you're rushing around with baggage, etc.
Don't be shy about using priority lines. There is normally a "special assistance" check-in line, and then many airports will let you use the priority immigration lanes, or security lines, etc. In the West they will specifically tell you to use these, while it varies in Asian airports. Phnom Penh will guide you to these (not that it's fully necessary), as will BKK. The Vietnamese airports have been less helpful, but why not still try?
Not only does the baby need extra clothes, but so does each parent. Bring an extra shirt or two just in case he drools/throws up/pees on you.
Other passengers are way more understanding and friendly and helpful than I expected. Not really a tip, just nice to keep in mind that most people have empathy for you, and will help if needed.
Everything takes longer with a baby. Even with priority access, somehow everything from checking in to security takes at least twice as long. Arrive earlier than you would on your own, as babies can definitely sense stress and you rushing around to get to the airport and maneuver there will then stress the kid out too. And the last thing you want is to be rushing to a gate and then have the kid drop a massive one into his diaper and need to deal with that.
Bring the stroller and car seat to the gate, and then talk with them and get a clear sense of how it will be returned to you -- once you get off the plane, or at the baggage carousal. Collecting it at baggage (sometimes oversize, sometimes not) is more common, but if you have a layover they will try to get it to you once you leave the plane.
Because of the above, if you collect it at baggage, you may get off the plane and could have an entire hour (as happened to us in Europe) without the stroller, meaning you have to walk a long way, clear immigration, etc, before you get it. Therefore, it's really useful to bring a baby carrier in your hand luggage, so that you can strap him on once you land and easily navigate all of the above before he's back in his seat.
Keep in mind that not only does everything take longer, but everything is now more expensive. If you used to take the MRT around Bangkok and order the smallest Grab cars, you (and your wife) might now decide to take larger cars to be safer, or so you can fit that giant stroller she brings along in the trunk. Just something to keep in mind.
I guess I didn't offer too many tips, just some things to keep in mind. Traveling with a baby can be easy enough, just do everything you can to reduce the stress levels involved, and give the kid as much attention as possible.
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