The "new Burma emerges
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Just finished "the Burma Road" amazing story ; will be starting, "The River of Lost Footsteps Histories of Burma" which i have been told is a good read.
makes me want to ride the Ledo road!!
Burma will continue to grow by leaps and bounds,
hotels in Bagan/ Mandalay an even the little village we stopped for 2 nights ( Hsipaw) are seeing many new hotels going up.
Talking with the owners of the hotel in Mandalay an Hsipaw they all agreed that prices will drop as new hotels open, ( they hope by this high season)
Was talking with my horse cart driver that i took while in Bagan an he said there are 350 of them an in the high season not nearly enough.
The rich guys i met in Mogok ( who all claimed they had nothing to do with the military) all had Lamborghini's, Ferrari's , Harleys , they had them flown in from the states to Bangkok than flown over to Yangon, trucked to the owners homes an parked!! The amount of money amongst the few is amazing
Burma does not appeal to backpackers for all the reason i mentioned, just nothing for them and they will stay in Thailand,Laos and Cambodia for those things
AS to numbers of tourist; just look them up online,( workers do not come in on tourist visas) u will see Burma had at least 50% of what Cambodia did an if u take out the Vietnamese it would go to over 80%
High season tax ?? Supply and demand !
in Phuket a low season rate at a 3 star hotel is about $25, high season climbs to over $80
about the same change as one experiences in Burma
Burma is NOT outrageously expensive ( not by my standards) at least anywhere i went an i did not go to Yangon this trip
Falcon; thanks for the personal insight, get ur ass back there an i will come work for you.
makes me want to ride the Ledo road!!
Burma will continue to grow by leaps and bounds,
hotels in Bagan/ Mandalay an even the little village we stopped for 2 nights ( Hsipaw) are seeing many new hotels going up.
Talking with the owners of the hotel in Mandalay an Hsipaw they all agreed that prices will drop as new hotels open, ( they hope by this high season)
Was talking with my horse cart driver that i took while in Bagan an he said there are 350 of them an in the high season not nearly enough.
The rich guys i met in Mogok ( who all claimed they had nothing to do with the military) all had Lamborghini's, Ferrari's , Harleys , they had them flown in from the states to Bangkok than flown over to Yangon, trucked to the owners homes an parked!! The amount of money amongst the few is amazing
Burma does not appeal to backpackers for all the reason i mentioned, just nothing for them and they will stay in Thailand,Laos and Cambodia for those things
AS to numbers of tourist; just look them up online,( workers do not come in on tourist visas) u will see Burma had at least 50% of what Cambodia did an if u take out the Vietnamese it would go to over 80%
High season tax ?? Supply and demand !
in Phuket a low season rate at a 3 star hotel is about $25, high season climbs to over $80
about the same change as one experiences in Burma
Burma is NOT outrageously expensive ( not by my standards) at least anywhere i went an i did not go to Yangon this trip
Falcon; thanks for the personal insight, get ur ass back there an i will come work for you.
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What happens when you remove the Thai and Chinese from Burma's figures?
I think you will see the issues that plague Cambodia, Thailand and Vietnam writ large in Burma. It took some years for the filthy rich to emerge in Cambodia, if they're already that loaded after a few years of openness, its only going to get worse.
I think you will see the issues that plague Cambodia, Thailand and Vietnam writ large in Burma. It took some years for the filthy rich to emerge in Cambodia, if they're already that loaded after a few years of openness, its only going to get worse.
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True. I just saw on facebook this morning the nice new red Ferrari of the woman I used to do some consulting for. She's also bought a nice new matching red handbag to go with it...Phuket2006 wrote:The rich guys i met in Mogok ( who all claimed they had nothing to do with the military) all had Lamborghini's, Ferrari's , Harleys , they had them flown in from the states to Bangkok than flown over to Yangon, trucked to the owners homes an parked!! The amount of money amongst the few is amazing
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How is it that every country you live in you end up involved with princesses, kings, generals and the elite?
You just have some serious gravitas....
How is it that every country you live in you end up involved with princesses, kings, generals and the elite?
You just have some serious gravitas....
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Yeah, let's go clear off topic with some typical US bashing about something that happened (according to you) 130 years ago (WTF?) and miss the whole point in current events.zerotwosixty wrote:The US had a similar treaty with Korea in the 1880s, yet turned a blind eye when the Japanese invaded.Cambo11 wrote:
The US has a solemn treaty to defend Thailand if needed. Of course it would also defend its ally Japan.
In 1876, Korea established a trade treaty with Japan after Japanese ships approached Ganghwado and threatened to fire on the Korean capital city. Treaty negotiations with the Americans and with several European countries were made possible by the completion of this initial Japanese overture.[4]
Negotiations with China were a significant feature of the process which resulted in this treaty.[5]
Treaty provisions[edit]
The United States and Korea negotiated and approved a 14 article treaty. The treaty established mutual friendship and mutual assistance in case of attack; and the treaty also addressed such specific matters as extraterritorial rights for American citizens in Korea and most favored nation trade status.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean%E2% ... d_Commerce
The (on topic) point is that the US and Japan are showing Thailand that it ain't the only game in town, and that its lack of loyalty to its allies is probably going to lose it some serious auto and electronics manufacturing to Burma.
30 CEO's of major Japanese companies and a similar number of them from the US went to Yangon and bought large chunks of industrial land, and Japan cut a deal to build a deep water port at Yangon.
Don't forget this point before you get to a pad and pencil: That kind of thing is real news. While you have your pencil out - 130 years ago ain't news.
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I dunno. Trust me, I've asked myself the same question numerous times. At least in Myanmar the Generals didn't end up trying to fuck me over. Quite the opposite, I have a beautiful portrait of my wife and child when she was just three months old, painted by the former deputy chief of military intelligence. He's a dab hand at painting and a spot on photographer, he's had a couple of books of his photos published, great stuff. These days he spends most of his time documenting Myanmar cultural activities such as dance and music. The rest of the time he spends meditating in this sort of hut he has at one of his houses...ricecakes wrote:FR
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Do you work for the diplomatic corps?
They seem to often be either the most deeply loved, or hotly despised, by the local elites.
They seem to often be either the most deeply loved, or hotly despised, by the local elites.
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Nah, I'm a freelance journeyman. I've done a bunch of different shit in my decade or so in Asia, but tend to spend most of my time teaching these days. It's a living...
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Interesting one this. It's nuts, but not a bubble in the traditional sense as there is not a dollar of credit in the system, so theoretically it can't burst.Falcon Randwick wrote:It's a bubble economy
It can and probably will once credit arrives - as you say in the form of foreign investment, most likely.
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Within the circle they pay each other in $US cash. Nothing else will do.
Oh yeah, to give you an idea of the rapidity of the expansion of the bubble, the woman I was consulting for wanted to buy a hotel (hence her contractual employment of my good self) and one place she had her eye on sold before she could buy it in August 2010 for $2.4 million. In December of the same year it was back on the market without any refurbishment, I believe the skanky ho hole hadn't even been cleaned, for a cool $3 million...
Oh yeah, to give you an idea of the rapidity of the expansion of the bubble, the woman I was consulting for wanted to buy a hotel (hence her contractual employment of my good self) and one place she had her eye on sold before she could buy it in August 2010 for $2.4 million. In December of the same year it was back on the market without any refurbishment, I believe the skanky ho hole hadn't even been cleaned, for a cool $3 million...
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It's a demand bubble; the Burmese are asking ridiculous prices on the expectation that foreigners will buy at any price to establish a foothold. Gold rush mentality. Problem is that local consumption or foreign tourism isn't like something you can dig out of the ground. Once the newness wears off, the demand crashes, investments are sold for a fraction they were bought...RobW wrote:Interesting one this. It's nuts, but not a bubble in the traditional sense as there is not a dollar of credit in the system, so theoretically it can't burst.Falcon Randwick wrote:It's a bubble economy
It can and probably will once credit arrives - as you say in the form of foreign investment, most likely.
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My great-uncle Jimmy fought there in WW2. The day he died they actually shut down the Liverpool docks. The below quote is from some Jewish web site (he was a Levene), His story is also told in the book "From Dingle to Delhi". http://books.google.co.ke/books/about/F ... edir_esc=yPhuket2006 wrote:After my recent visit there i have been spurned on to read an learn more about the New Burma
what i have found is amazing,
first; never knew that so much fighting was done between British/US/Chinese forces vs the Japanese during ww2 and so many people died an cities/towns destroyed.
See also 'Jews with the Chindits' - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/js ... ugar5.html
3777022 Pte G. /James or Josh “Lefty” Levene/Levine, DCM, from 51, Caryl Gdns. tenements, Toxteth, Liverpool, son of a Jewish Liverpool docker - 77th Brigade under Brig Mike Calvert - 1st bat. Kings Liverpool Reg. - won DCM at Battle of Mogaung, Burma 1944, first town to be re-taken from the Japs in Burma. Citation written by Major F C Freeman of Caldy, Wirral - personal interview - mention found in “Liverpool Echo” 27.4.45 and LG 26.4.45 page 2212 - “cool under fire and in very close proximity to the enemy, he cleaned his muddy bren gun and calmly drove off the Japanese, saving the day”. Gazetted 26.4.45, Levene developed cerebal palsy and died in 1948 - Liverpool docks closed in his honour. DCM mentioned in Jewish Year Book 1945/46. Confirmed in War Diary of Kings Reg. page 129, footnote. Letter from eye-witness comrade Jack Lindo, who writes “Jimmy was firing his bren gun from the hip position, blasting the Japs from the tops of the Bashas. A very brave act indeed. He just went about his business quietly, not shouting, just shooting from the hip....he earned his medal that day. The village was holding up the 77th Brigade advance”. He says the name “Lefty” was given him because of his likeness to a famous American boxer of the period.
Citation in “Register of the DCM” by G A Brown, Western Canadian Distributors, 1993, page 289 - “On 3rd June 1944 Pte Levene was Bren gunner on the point section of the King’s Comp. (att. 1st bat. Lancs Fus.) near Loihinche. The column had halted at the base of Point 1094 where the track split into three branches. Pte Levene suddenly spotted the enemy lying in wait on the right of the track some 15 yards away. He fired a full magazine at them inflicting several casualties before they replied. There is no doubt that but for his quick observation and prompt action the enemy would have inflicted heavy casualties upon his platoon. He then crossed a track covered by enemy fire and drove an enemy LMG from our right flank saving further casualties to our troops. On the morning of the 18th June Pte Levene’s platoon was leading the assault on Naungkaiktaw. During the advance, ignoring heavy fire, he was always in the front. When his platoon was eventually halted owing to the platoon on the left being held up, he ran forward onto a bunker in an exposed position and killed six Japs as they intended to withdraw. He then remained in this position cutting off one of their two lines of withdrawal and killed several more. There is no doubt that his gallant action enabled his platoon to advance.
Later in the morning of the 18th June he and his section were sent to reinforce a platoon that was attacking and clearing Naungkaiktaw and had suffered casualties. He was quite unshaken by earlier experiences and was seen to engage and kill more of the enemy. He set an excellent example by his cool and fearless conduct throughout. He showed complete contempt of danger and exposed himself freely to enemy fire in order to use his Bren to the best advantage and was invaluable in clearing further strongpoints and eventually putting surviving enemy to flight”. James died in Dec 1948 at Newton hospital near Liverpool after three years in hospital, aged 33 years. He was not married. - obituary in “Liverpool Echo” 22.12.48, buried at Allerton RC cemetery 23.12.48 with full military honours with Major Freeman attending. Photo at AJEX museum.
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Evidently my great uncle also served with the British army in Burma. Apparently he went abit nuts after he came back. I guess it might have been something to do with witnessing the Burmese cutting off the Japanese soldiers ears.
My burmese lady friends tell me that the local ladies used to smear their bodies with the equivalent of prahok to keep the japs from getting hold of them.
I was recently quite surprised to hear ASK say that she ''liked the generals''. It kind of made me wonder whether she was more leadership motive minded than i'd originally thought?
My burmese lady friends tell me that the local ladies used to smear their bodies with the equivalent of prahok to keep the japs from getting hold of them.
I was recently quite surprised to hear ASK say that she ''liked the generals''. It kind of made me wonder whether she was more leadership motive minded than i'd originally thought?
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