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Re: Testosterone

Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:39 pm
by Spigzy
Good luck with Thai source steroids ... :barf:



Bit of an odd case for sure, for this guy there's probably thousands of shots without any issues ... I'll stick to eating right, compound lifts & being a skinny af natty thanks :pissed:

(he got better it seems btw, beyond all the 'scam' claim bs ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPQzliX_ew)

Re: Testosterone

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:04 am
by rgrowden
Good for you, Spigzy. Lift some iron, the testosterone will flow. At any age, too. I started lifting at age 63, noticed I was growing hair again after a couple of weeks. Still lifting, still growing hair, 4 years later. Hey, I finally found vegan protein - pea protein, I get it shipped from the US now once a month. Just pure pea protein, nothing added. Works well.

Re: Testosterone

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:35 am
by Alexandra
rgrowden wrote:Works well.
According to your vegan pea powder bro science the results are fantastic. According to actual research[1] I could sit on the couch injecting Sustanon 250 and eating peanuts and still grow bigger than with your natty vegan pea powder. Not everyone takes Testosterone to gain or sustain mass. The pea powder suggestion to people with potential health problems is laughable at best.

1: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/N ... 7043350101

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OP asked specifically for vitamin T.

Re: Testosterone

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:42 am
by Spigzy
That's a very true and depressing piece of science there Alexandra - even natural lifters powering away on a good diet and steady progressive overload are absolutely no match for a guy doing absolutely nothing but sit on a couch & injecting steroids as far as muscle growth goes; it is a truly remarkable hormone. I still prefer to get my body to some degree of fitness naturally, perhaps some misguided view that a natural route will result in a prolonged ability to enjoy sports with my son (5) which is my simple ambition, not living forever. Certainly some of these guys with huge muscles can't lift weights that a coal miner that never went to a gym wouldn't think twice about picking up in one hand- and that's all ok too; some folks want to be strong AF, some just want to look good in a mirror - some just like to drink beer among other vices! :-)

Re: the vegan protein powder, I have to say it is a whole lot more satiating than the usual whey stuff (although its crap for mixing with oats) - I use both on & off, depends on if I'm getting enough food for the day/week or not; real food can't honestly be substituted when aspiring for growth. The only essential supplement I'd say has seriously good physical impact and no downside is creatine. Above all, consistency is the key - and that ultimately is a lifestyle change, not some fitness program, fad diet, bone broth, keto, zumba or whatever; what you do must be part of your life & enjoyable, not a chore. (I still drink & never do jogging - boring AF!)

None of these supplements or diets really do anything like a shot of T; the only reason I've not tried it out is because just about every guy I know that has been on it, has struggled to get off it - I'm sure it must be hard to watch your body go from Greek God to "Mr. Muscle" (* the UK one, not the Asian one! :D); perhaps professional bodybuilders such as Dorian Yates are better pre-disposed to this as their aim is to become Mr. Olympia, and nothing else - once achieved, they can revert to their old selves; akin to Beyonce & her "Sasha Fierce" alter-ego. For the man in the street there isn't such a clear distinction.

For the dudes that take T simply to get some level of libido & confidence back, you have my sympathy - still only 40-odd here. I'm sure the medical reasons for T will come knocking one day & blokes probably should not be ashamed of needing it to enjoy a fuller life at older age. Kevin Levrone's comeback to the Olympia stage at 50+ is probably something quite inspiring in that regard... I've got time! :-)

Re: Testosterone

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:07 pm
by RobW
What happens when you stop?
Most drugs have a rebound or nasty titration of some sort.

Re: Testosterone

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:37 pm
by batshitcrazyweirdo
RobW wrote:What happens when you stop?
Most drugs have a rebound or nasty titration of some sort.
Their dick shrivels up to the same size of their brain?

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Re: Testosterone

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:46 pm
by RobW
batshitcrazyweirdo wrote:
RobW wrote:What happens when you stop?
Most drugs have a rebound or nasty titration of some sort.
Their dick shrivels up to the same size of their brain?

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Serious question.
I've met people who take it and apart from the muscle thing it seems to improve mood and a feeling of youthfulness, as well as libido.

Never met anyone that stopped, to my knowledge.

Re: Testosterone

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:50 pm
by batshitcrazyweirdo
^Oh. Maybe I'm just too young to be takin that, because my libido is off the charts, and I don't know why.

And if you never met anybody that stopped .............. does that mean once you start, you have to do it forever? Scary, right there.

Re: Testosterone

Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:14 pm
by Alexandra

Re: Testosterone

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:21 am
by Duncan
batshitcrazyweirdo wrote:^Oh. Maybe I'm just too young to be takin that, because my libido is off the charts, and I don't know why.

And if you never met anybody that stopped .............. does that mean once you start, you have to do it forever? Scary, right there.




Most men would do a cycle of several weeks on test, then stop,, to allow your body to recover and get the body to start it's natural test producing again.

Other men would have blood tests and find they have low test levels and take testosterone to get their levels up to normal or above. Yep, for those it's scary when you stop so they continue on test. forever. It's called HRT,,, Hormone Replacement Therapy

Ask a female going through menopause and you will understand what its like. Men have the same symptoms when their hormones get low or out balance.


A similar situation would be a diabetic . Would you expect a diabetic to stop taking insulin if their body does not produce it's own insulin.

Re: Testosterone

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:38 pm
by batshitcrazyweirdo
Duncan wrote:
batshitcrazyweirdo wrote:^Oh. Maybe I'm just too young to be takin that, because my libido is off the charts, and I don't know why.

And if you never met anybody that stopped .............. does that mean once you start, you have to do it forever? Scary, right there.




Most men would do a cycle of several weeks on test, then stop,, to allow your body to recover and get the body to start it's natural test producing again.

Other men would have blood tests and find they have low test levels and take testosterone to get their levels up to normal or above. Yep, for those it's scary when you stop so they continue on test. forever. It's called HRT,,, Hormone Replacement Therapy

Ask a female going through menopause and you will understand what its like. Men have the same symptoms when their hormones get low or out balance.


A similar situation would be a diabetic . Would you expect a diabetic to stop taking insulin if their body does not produce it's own insulin.
I can't say I know how that feels at all. I can say I have never introduced my body to anything unnatural like that, and I never would.

Surely there are other ways. If not, well, what about all the side effects? Sorry, but I would have my dick drop off first.

And continuing to do it is like doing meth to me. It will rot you out. You think you can find a balance, but in the end I doubt one single person has.

And comparing testosterone to diabetes is a far cry.

Re: Testosterone

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:29 pm
by Duncan
batshitcrazyweirdo wrote:
Duncan wrote:
batshitcrazyweirdo wrote:^Oh. Maybe I'm just too young to be takin that, because my libido is off the charts, and I don't know why.

And if you never met anybody that stopped .............. does that mean once you start, you have to do it forever? Scary, right there.




Most men would do a cycle of several weeks on test, then stop,, to allow your body to recover and get the body to start it's natural test producing again.

Other men would have blood tests and find they have low test levels and take testosterone to get their levels up to normal or above. Yep, for those it's scary when you stop so they continue on test. forever. It's called HRT,,, Hormone Replacement Therapy

Ask a female going through menopause and you will understand what its like. Men have the same symptoms when their hormones get low or out balance.


A similar situation would be a diabetic . Would you expect a diabetic to stop taking insulin if their body does not produce it's own insulin.
I can't say I know how that feels at all. I can say I have never introduced my body to anything unnatural like that, and I never would.

Surely there are other ways. If not, well, what about all the side effects? Sorry, but I would have my dick drop off first.

And continuing to do it is like doing meth to me. It will rot you out. You think you can find a balance, but in the end I doubt one single person has.

And comparing testosterone to diabetes is a far cry.

Go and do your research before you start talking batshitcrazyweardo stuff.

Testosterone is not unnatural stuff.

If you are doing the HTR right,,, what side affect are you talking about ?


And by the way,, I have been on HTR for 20 years now and have done a lot of research on the subject. I have even put some doctors in their place when General Practitioner Doctors have told me bullshit expecting me to believe them and they get upset when I have made another appointment with them just to show them papers and facts from some research material.. Hormones is a specialized subject and GP 's are not specialists .

Re: Testosterone

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:43 pm
by batshitcrazyweirdo
Duncan wrote:
batshitcrazyweirdo wrote:
Duncan wrote:
batshitcrazyweirdo wrote:^Oh. Maybe I'm just too young to be takin that, because my libido is off the charts, and I don't know why.

And if you never met anybody that stopped .............. does that mean once you start, you have to do it forever? Scary, right there.




Most men would do a cycle of several weeks on test, then stop,, to allow your body to recover and get the body to start it's natural test producing again.

Other men would have blood tests and find they have low test levels and take testosterone to get their levels up to normal or above. Yep, for those it's scary when you stop so they continue on test. forever. It's called HRT,,, Hormone Replacement Therapy

Ask a female going through menopause and you will understand what its like. Men have the same symptoms when their hormones get low or out balance.


A similar situation would be a diabetic . Would you expect a diabetic to stop taking insulin if their body does not produce it's own insulin.
I can't say I know how that feels at all. I can say I have never introduced my body to anything unnatural like that, and I never would.

Surely there are other ways. If not, well, what about all the side effects? Sorry, but I would have my dick drop off first.

And continuing to do it is like doing meth to me. It will rot you out. You think you can find a balance, but in the end I doubt one single person has.

And comparing testosterone to diabetes is a far cry.

Go and do your research before you start talking batshitcrazyweardo stuff.

Testosterone is not unnatural stuff.

If you are doing the HTR right,,, what side affect are you talking about ?


And by the way,, I have been on HTR for 20 years now and have done a lot of research on the subject. I have even put some doctors in their place when General Practitioner Doctors have told me bullshit expecting me to believe them and they get upset when I have made another appointment with them just to show them papers and facts from some research material.. Hormones is a specialized subject and GP 's are not specialists .
Calm doon, Duncan. I said I didn't know what it feels like.

You haven't been specific about what you take it for, so I cannot comment on it. And you haven't shown me those tests. Was there precursors or other anomalies in your tests? You seem very defensive, and I am just trying to get a grip on it.

Do you never ask yourself if there has been any adverse effects? Do you piss more? Do you eat more? Do you shag more? Do you exercise more? Do you put your research online so they can document it?

Hormones is just as specialized as any other subject. You are patronizing it and quite frankly, I do not believe you.

I'd sure like to see those 'papers and facts' you have, that's for sure.

Re: Testosterone

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:40 pm
by Mèo Đen
batshitcrazyweirdo wrote:
I'd sure like to see those 'papers and facts' you have, that's for sure.
Here's one:

Adverse effects of testosterone replacement therapy: an update on the evidence and controversy
Anthony Grech, John Breck, and Joel Heidelbaugh Ther Adv Drug Saf. 2014 Oct; 5(5): 190–200.

The available evidence indicates that TRT is largely considered to be safe in most men, with a small inherent risk of adverse events in selected high-risk populations of men with multiple medical comorbidities. TD is associated with an increased risk of development of cardiovascular and metabolic disease; however, the nature of the relationship remains unclear and recent evidence suggests that TRT may increase risk of adverse cardiovascular events in men with significant comorbidities. TRT has been associated with occasional modest increases in serum PSA, yet within safe clinical parameters, and without substantial compelling evidence to support an increased risk of prostate cancer. LUTS appear to remain stable or improve slightly with the use of TRT, which offers a differing viewpoint to previously held opinions. There remain little data on TRT relating to long-term OSA outcomes; however, current evidence suggests TRT may transiently worsen objective OSA parameters then resolve. TRT appears to be associated with erythrocytosis, yet data on the significance of this trend related to patient outcomes are lacking.

At this time, TRT remains a largely beneficial option in improving health-related quality of life in men with serum TD and associated symptoms. As of January 2014, the FDA stated they are investigating the potential link but have not concluded ‘FDA-approved testosterone treatment increases the risk of stroke, heart attack, or death’. Clinicians should exercise caution when considering TRT for men with multiple cardiovascular comorbidities and utilize shared decision making with informed consent. As with any therapeutic intervention, clinicians should discuss the benefits and potential risks of hormone replacement therapy with men prior to initiating treatment, as well as discuss provisions for ongoing management and surveillance.

Complete paper here:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4212439/

Re: Testosterone

Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:23 pm
by batshitcrazyweirdo
Mèo Đen wrote:
batshitcrazyweirdo wrote:
I'd sure like to see those 'papers and facts' you have, that's for sure.
Here's one:

Adverse effects of testosterone replacement therapy: an update on the evidence and controversy
Anthony Grech, John Breck, and Joel Heidelbaugh Ther Adv Drug Saf. 2014 Oct; 5(5): 190–200.

The available evidence indicates that TRT is largely considered to be safe in most men, with a small inherent risk of adverse events in selected high-risk populations of men with multiple medical comorbidities. TD is associated with an increased risk of development of cardiovascular and metabolic disease; however, the nature of the relationship remains unclear and recent evidence suggests that TRT may increase risk of adverse cardiovascular events in men with significant comorbidities. TRT has been associated with occasional modest increases in serum PSA, yet within safe clinical parameters, and without substantial compelling evidence to support an increased risk of prostate cancer. LUTS appear to remain stable or improve slightly with the use of TRT, which offers a differing viewpoint to previously held opinions. There remain little data on TRT relating to long-term OSA outcomes; however, current evidence suggests TRT may transiently worsen objective OSA parameters then resolve. TRT appears to be associated with erythrocytosis, yet data on the significance of this trend related to patient outcomes are lacking.

At this time, TRT remains a largely beneficial option in improving health-related quality of life in men with serum TD and associated symptoms. As of January 2014, the FDA stated they are investigating the potential link but have not concluded ‘FDA-approved testosterone treatment increases the risk of stroke, heart attack, or death’. Clinicians should exercise caution when considering TRT for men with multiple cardiovascular comorbidities and utilize shared decision making with informed consent. As with any therapeutic intervention, clinicians should discuss the benefits and potential risks of hormone replacement therapy with men prior to initiating treatment, as well as discuss provisions for ongoing management and surveillance.

Complete paper here:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4212439/
Yer not Duncan, but you'll do.

I .... it ... they ... if ... but ... maybe ... mother may I?

I can give you a Dr. Batshit recommendation why you all blither on like some hens in a cage.

Abstinence.