Young and in Love. But is it enough?

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Re: Young and in Love. But is it enough?

Postby logos » Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:54 am

If you just have the local ceremony and throw a big party, the Khmers are usually happy, and can skip all the formal paperwork, thus being 'married' but not in the eyes of the law.

Until one of those days you decide it's time to visit your folk back in good ole USA or England and then the real fun begins
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Re: Young and in Love. But is it enough?

Postby otis » Sat Jul 01, 2017 1:28 am

"If you just have the local ceremony and throw a big party, the Khmers are usually happy, and can skip all the formal paperwork, thus being 'married' but not in the eyes of the law."

My gf says that these kinds of less formal marriages are recorded in some way at the Sangat. Anyone know about this?
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Re: Young and in Love. But is it enough?

Postby PSD_Kiwi » Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:47 am

^ you have to seek permission from the Sangkat, so it most likely is recorded, but it is in no way officially recognized if one of the partners is a foreigner. These unofficial weddings are more about the Cambodian partner and her family saving face (& hopefully making a little money from the wedding gifts).

There have been a few cases recently where these unofficial wedding parties between foreigners and locals have been shut down by the authorities because the couple have not gained permission from the MoFAIC and MoI to marry...if they'd paid enough tea money to the Sangkat they most likely wouldn't have had an issue.
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Re: Young and in Love. But is it enough?

Postby YaTingPom » Sat Jul 01, 2017 10:31 am

I know a couple (Khmer and Yank) who've been together for 10 years and they have never officially married in Cambodia. They were however married in the USA and see no point in doing it now.

There was a thread recently where a few couples (barang, Khmer) had transfered their foreign marriage certificate to Khmer at the ministry. Does anyone know anymore about this?
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Re: Young and in Love. But is it enough?

Postby PSD_Kiwi » Sat Jul 01, 2017 12:39 pm

^ IIRC that was Lonestar, that is the first and only time Ive heard of someone successfully having their marriage abroad officially recognized here, and getting a Cambodian marriage certificate issued on that basis. According to the written law, marriage to a Cambodian citizen in another country is recognized by the Cambodian government.
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Re: Young and in Love. But is it enough?

Postby otis » Sat Jul 01, 2017 2:11 pm

"you have to seek permission from the Sangkat, so it most likely is recorded, but it is in no way officially recognized if one of the partners is a foreigner. These unofficial weddings are more about the Cambodian partner and her family saving face (& hopefully making a little money from the wedding gifts).

There have been a few cases recently where these unofficial wedding parties between foreigners and locals have been shut down by the authorities because the couple have not gained permission from the MoFAIC and MoI to marry...if they'd paid enough tea money to the Sangkat they most likely wouldn't have had an issue."


Assuming all is OK w. the Sangkat, because of tea money or a good personal relationship between the girl's family and the Sangkat, does that enable the couple to get a family book and other documentation that they can show a foreign government?
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Re: Young and in Love. But is it enough?

Postby PSD_Kiwi » Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:13 pm

^ No, it most certainly does not.
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Young and in Love. But is it enough?

Postby ricecakes » Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:58 pm

logos wrote:just can't get married in Cambodia if you're a foreign male over 50 I think. .


Govt doing everyone a bloody favor there as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Young and in Love. But is it enough?

Postby LaudJohn » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:30 pm

jaz9339 wrote:Dear fellow expats,

I'm looking for advice


Welcome,

This is a great friendly place to ask for advice from anonymous people.


jaz9339 wrote: My girlfriend, 25, and I, 31, are in love with each other. In fact I have been looking at rings so that I can propose to her soon,


Yep, love is a wonderful fleeting thing that will not last. Well, it may last until you cannot afford to give her what she demands.

Sex may be wonderful and frequent and an expression of love but the frequency will reduce dramatically after you get married and almost dry up after a couple of kids. Your life will revolve around making her happy at whatever the expense after all, "happy wife, happy life".

jaz9339 wrote: of which I am sure she will say yes,


No sh1t Sherlock. You have the magic combination of a pulse, an American Passport, an income and the prospect of a life outside of Cambodia where she can get a passport (3 years residence if married to a US citizen) and unfettered travel around the world, good education for the kids and the prospect of supplying heaps of money to the family.

jaz9339 wrote: we are both professional English teachers, eager to stay here in Phnom Penh.


What?? You consider you are a "professional English teacher"???? You need a pulse and the coincidence of being born an native English speaker to get a job as an English teacher in Cambodia.

The word professional is used too easily, yes it means you get paid for doing the job.

The fact is that there are limited barriers to entry as n English Teacher here. I have met barely literate native English speakers who maul the language in their vernacular who are paid to teach English in Cambodia.

Generally a profession has barriers to entry. A one month CELTA is hardly a barrier to entry. However you seem to live in a love filled fantasy world so who am I to disabuse you.



jaz9339 wrote:My concern is that my salary as an English Teacher here in Cambodia is not enough to meet the minimum monthly salary of $2550.00,


No real professional in Cambodia has trouble meeting that income requirement. If you earn less than a burger flipper in the west and call yourself a professional you are possibly seriously deluded. The minimum wage in many US states is now $15 per our so $2,400 plus per month, yet you call yourself a professional ?????? ... next thing you will try to tell me is that your girlfriend really loves you for you rather than your pulse, passport and income.


jaz9339 wrote: also Since I am young I do not have enough resources saved up, as say some of my other fellow expats who have come here to retire. Also I have been teaching abroad for 4 years now, and have never made that much money a month.


You are 31 and have nothing behind you?? You have been working professionally for 4 years and have no savings??? You are a professional and have never made much money... again, deluded.




jaz9339 wrote:I appreciate any assistance you may have on this mater.


You are welcome, after all this is a friendly forum.

Wake up and go home and get a haircut and get a real job - train and get a profession that has barriers to entry or a trade that pays well.

Then apply for her to join you so she can screw you over later in the divorce.
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Re: Young and in Love. But is it enough?

Postby logos » Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:49 am

Jaz you're in luck, that was Laudjohn on a good day :D
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