Marrying a Cambodian Citizen in Singapore
You are right. But it was one and only way to bring my fiancee to Moscow for a long time. I guess $5K mentioned by your girlfriend it's not for the paperwork but for the ceremony.
You are in Cambodia, right? So the number of trips is irrelevant for you. Gather docs, take docs to ministry of foreign affairs, buy tea, sign some shit, go get 'health check', wait. Get a callback a week week later, return to mfa, collect your docs and head to the anti trafficking office on on Norodom, wait around 5 hours, buy tea, wait a month, return for 'in depth interview', wait another 3 months. Get a call, get certificate. Done. Actual time spent doing stuff, 3 - 4 business days.thisisbox wrote:So it took roughly 5-6 months for the whole process and you had to make 2 seperate trips to Cambodia. That does sound like a lot of work and pretty expensive too and could have been even more from what I've heard others pay. My fiancee said she knows someone's husband ended up paying $5k! That's just crazy. I'm glad it went well for you.yg11 wrote:No. I prepared all papers in Russia it took one month or two. Come to Cambodia for 10 days passed an interview in MIA after one busy day in MFA. That's it. 4 months later I come again and we go to Sangkat to finalize the process. Happy ending. Expencive BTW. Officially 400-600. But 1k+ tee money and tickets, visa, etc.
$1.3k—2k seems about the norm with the current anti trafficking laws. Some pay more, some pay less. Who cares. That office on Norodom must take in excess of $10-15k per day in tea related revenue.
$5k open and shut for legals and party is about right, depending on where/how you party, and how many bottles of rum are pocketed. The party will cost more, but it's pay-per-view so the more you get to attend, the more you'll recoup.
Either way, so plan for a November wedding at the earliest if you decide to do it here and let her family do what they do. Paperwork won't be ready before that.
I don't live in Cambodia no. I live in the UK where I have a business to run so a bit difficult for me to stay away for prolonged periods. A few weeks or more is OK, but not several months.epidemiks wrote:You are in Cambodia, right? So the number of trips is irrelevant for you. Gather docs, take docs to ministry of foreign affairs, buy tea, sign some shit, go get 'health check', wait. Get a callback a week week later, return to mfa, collect your docs and head to the anti trafficking office on on Norodom, wait around 5 hours, buy tea, wait a month, return for 'in depth interview', wait another 3 months. Get a call, get certificate. Done. Actual time spent doing stuff, 3 - 4 business days.thisisbox wrote:So it took roughly 5-6 months for the whole process and you had to make 2 seperate trips to Cambodia. That does sound like a lot of work and pretty expensive too and could have been even more from what I've heard others pay. My fiancee said she knows someone's husband ended up paying $5k! That's just crazy. I'm glad it went well for you.yg11 wrote:No. I prepared all papers in Russia it took one month or two. Come to Cambodia for 10 days passed an interview in MIA after one busy day in MFA. That's it. 4 months later I come again and we go to Sangkat to finalize the process. Happy ending. Expencive BTW. Officially 400-600. But 1k+ tee money and tickets, visa, etc.
$1.3k—2k seems about the norm with the current anti trafficking laws. Some pay more, some pay less. Who cares. That office on Norodom must take in excess of $10-15k per day in tea related revenue.
$5k open and shut for legals and party is about right, depending on where/how you party, and how many bottles of rum are pocketed. The party will cost more, but it's pay-per-view so the more you get to attend, the more you'll recoup.
Either way, so plan for a November wedding at the earliest if you decide to do it here and let her family do what they do. Paperwork won't be ready before that.
I have to assess the situation a bit more but thanks for the info.
No! If you deal with the right people, it costs less than $300!epidemiks wrote:
$1.3k—2k seems about the norm with the current anti trafficking laws. Some pay more, some pay less.
I'm not a negative person, I encourage people all the time...it's usually to f**k off! But, whatever.
Like I said, some pay more, some pay less. Reported costs I've seen for the legal process from start to finish range from 1.3 to 2k. 300 would drop the average, but 'dealing with the right people' usually involves knowing something, or someone, others don't. If you know who to deal with, feel free to share for the benefit of others.PSD_Kiwi wrote:No! If you deal with the right people, it costs less than $300!epidemiks wrote:
$1.3k—2k seems about the norm with the current anti trafficking laws. Some pay more, some pay less.
I have previously posted the business card of the right person to deal with on a previous thread, I also posted this on a previous thread.....
First of all, you will need to go to the MoFA in Phnom Penh and meet and speak to Mr Ung Vantha in the Legal & Consular Department, this man will give you the application forms and lists of required documents, he will not accept any money .Mr. Ung Vantha, phone number, 016608586. Do not deal with anyone else, as they will all ask for ridiculous sums of money.
You will need to present the following to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs;
1. "Application for foreigner to marry Khmer citizen" (provided by MoFA)
2. Certificate of non-impediment/single status/divorce certificate (if applicable)/ex-spouses death certificate (if applicable)
3. Criminal record check from your country of citizenship
4. Passport with valid E type (Ordinary MEEV) visa, minimum 6 months validity
5. Letter of employment/proof of salary minimum $2500USD p/m (Male only?) Work permit/work book if employed in Cambodia.
6. Letter from your Embassy - permission/consent to marry
7. Pre-nuptial Medical certificate from Calmette Hospital (no older than 3 months)
8. 2x passport photos
NOTE: Foreign males must be under 50 years old to legally marry a Cambodian citizen in Cambodia
All above documents must be notarised/certified from your nearest Embassy except 1,6 and 7.
Khmer partner will need to present;
1. "Certificate of celibacy, widowhood, divorce" (single status) from Sangkat
2. National ID card
3. Birth Certificate
4. Family Book or Residence de carnet.
5. Pre-nuptial Medical certificate from Calmette Hospital (no older than 3 months)
6. 2x passport photos
Note: The blood tests are for HIV, Hepatitis, etc, chest x-ray is for TB. Cost from Calmette for the blood tests, x-ray and medical certificate is $120 per couple ($60 each). You will need to take your passport/national ID card, as well as 1x passport photo per person.
Once the MoFA processes the documents which takes about 1-2 weeks, you will be issued a letter which you must submit with all of your documents to the Ministry of Interior. You will both be interviewed by someone in the MoI, and if they are satisfied it will take approximately another 2+ months for them to issue an authorisation to marry letter, which you will then need to submit to your partners Sangkat, who will then issue you with your marriage certificate.
MOI:
Do not go to the Main MoI compound. You need to go across the road to the iCon building (216 Norodom Blvd) and go to the 3rd floor to an office called “National Committee to Lead the Suppression of Human Trafficking, Smuggling, Labour Exploitation and Sexual Exploitation in Woman and Children” (S.T.S.L.S). Take all of your completed documentation and letter from the MoFA with you and try to arrive early (by 0900hrs at the latest).
There all of your documentation will be checked, and if anything is not in order they will inform you of what you need to fix.
Once everything is in order, you will pay the official $200 fee, which you will receive a receipt for, and then be interviewed by several people, mostly regarding things like how you met your partner, how long you’ve been together, have you travelled together on holiday, how long have you lived/been travelling to Cambodia, what is your job, family members names and contact details, what are your plans, do you plan to take her overseas and exploit her, etc…Its not as daunting as you may think. Your partner will be near you the entire time, so if there any language barriers, ask her to translate for you.
Once everything is in order, it can take anywhere up to 4 months before you receive the letter of permission to marry from the MoI, which you then take to your partner's Sangkat in order to be issued your official marriage certificate. There is no requirement for a wedding ceremony in order to be issued a marriage certificate.
For foreigners marrying a Cambodian citizen, the only official fees payable are;
- $200 fee paid to the 'National Committe to Lead the Suppression of Human Trafficking, Smuggling, Labour Exploitation and Sexual Exploitation in Woman and Children (S.T.S.L.S)' , which is a department of the MoI. The fee covers admin, interviews and background check costs. An official receipt is issued.
- $20 fee paid to the Sangkat which issues the official Marriage Certificate. An official receipt is issued.
(Note: The interviewers at the MoI expect a small "donation" each, about $5 each covers it...probably a good idea to just pay)
Many people no doubt end up dealing with the wrong people and/or fixers and end up getting fleeced purely because the information on the whole process is not readily available and can be confusing.
MOFA:
I'm not great at explaining directions, but I hope this helps...
When you go to the MoFA, enter the compound via the side entrance, do not go to the large main entrance on the riverside. There is a guard hut where you and your partner will have to show ID, and they will give you a visitors pass.
Walk straight ahead to the large building straight ahead and to the right, and enter via the first side entrance.
As you enter, immediately on your left you should see a sign for e-visa on your right hand side, continue walking straight down the corridor. The 3rd or 4th door on the right hand side is Vanthas office. As you look at his office door, there should be a small alcove with a Buddhist statue to the left of his door, this is how you will know which office is his.
. Remember that this is a Cambodian Ministry, and they keep strange working hours...I think they take lunch from about 1100 - 1400.
First of all, you will need to go to the MoFA in Phnom Penh and meet and speak to Mr Ung Vantha in the Legal & Consular Department, this man will give you the application forms and lists of required documents, he will not accept any money .Mr. Ung Vantha, phone number, 016608586. Do not deal with anyone else, as they will all ask for ridiculous sums of money.
You will need to present the following to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs;
1. "Application for foreigner to marry Khmer citizen" (provided by MoFA)
2. Certificate of non-impediment/single status/divorce certificate (if applicable)/ex-spouses death certificate (if applicable)
3. Criminal record check from your country of citizenship
4. Passport with valid E type (Ordinary MEEV) visa, minimum 6 months validity
5. Letter of employment/proof of salary minimum $2500USD p/m (Male only?) Work permit/work book if employed in Cambodia.
6. Letter from your Embassy - permission/consent to marry
7. Pre-nuptial Medical certificate from Calmette Hospital (no older than 3 months)
8. 2x passport photos
NOTE: Foreign males must be under 50 years old to legally marry a Cambodian citizen in Cambodia
All above documents must be notarised/certified from your nearest Embassy except 1,6 and 7.
Khmer partner will need to present;
1. "Certificate of celibacy, widowhood, divorce" (single status) from Sangkat
2. National ID card
3. Birth Certificate
4. Family Book or Residence de carnet.
5. Pre-nuptial Medical certificate from Calmette Hospital (no older than 3 months)
6. 2x passport photos
Note: The blood tests are for HIV, Hepatitis, etc, chest x-ray is for TB. Cost from Calmette for the blood tests, x-ray and medical certificate is $120 per couple ($60 each). You will need to take your passport/national ID card, as well as 1x passport photo per person.
Once the MoFA processes the documents which takes about 1-2 weeks, you will be issued a letter which you must submit with all of your documents to the Ministry of Interior. You will both be interviewed by someone in the MoI, and if they are satisfied it will take approximately another 2+ months for them to issue an authorisation to marry letter, which you will then need to submit to your partners Sangkat, who will then issue you with your marriage certificate.
MOI:
Do not go to the Main MoI compound. You need to go across the road to the iCon building (216 Norodom Blvd) and go to the 3rd floor to an office called “National Committee to Lead the Suppression of Human Trafficking, Smuggling, Labour Exploitation and Sexual Exploitation in Woman and Children” (S.T.S.L.S). Take all of your completed documentation and letter from the MoFA with you and try to arrive early (by 0900hrs at the latest).
There all of your documentation will be checked, and if anything is not in order they will inform you of what you need to fix.
Once everything is in order, you will pay the official $200 fee, which you will receive a receipt for, and then be interviewed by several people, mostly regarding things like how you met your partner, how long you’ve been together, have you travelled together on holiday, how long have you lived/been travelling to Cambodia, what is your job, family members names and contact details, what are your plans, do you plan to take her overseas and exploit her, etc…Its not as daunting as you may think. Your partner will be near you the entire time, so if there any language barriers, ask her to translate for you.
Once everything is in order, it can take anywhere up to 4 months before you receive the letter of permission to marry from the MoI, which you then take to your partner's Sangkat in order to be issued your official marriage certificate. There is no requirement for a wedding ceremony in order to be issued a marriage certificate.
For foreigners marrying a Cambodian citizen, the only official fees payable are;
- $200 fee paid to the 'National Committe to Lead the Suppression of Human Trafficking, Smuggling, Labour Exploitation and Sexual Exploitation in Woman and Children (S.T.S.L.S)' , which is a department of the MoI. The fee covers admin, interviews and background check costs. An official receipt is issued.
- $20 fee paid to the Sangkat which issues the official Marriage Certificate. An official receipt is issued.
(Note: The interviewers at the MoI expect a small "donation" each, about $5 each covers it...probably a good idea to just pay)
Many people no doubt end up dealing with the wrong people and/or fixers and end up getting fleeced purely because the information on the whole process is not readily available and can be confusing.
MOFA:
I'm not great at explaining directions, but I hope this helps...
When you go to the MoFA, enter the compound via the side entrance, do not go to the large main entrance on the riverside. There is a guard hut where you and your partner will have to show ID, and they will give you a visitors pass.
Walk straight ahead to the large building straight ahead and to the right, and enter via the first side entrance.
As you enter, immediately on your left you should see a sign for e-visa on your right hand side, continue walking straight down the corridor. The 3rd or 4th door on the right hand side is Vanthas office. As you look at his office door, there should be a small alcove with a Buddhist statue to the left of his door, this is how you will know which office is his.
. Remember that this is a Cambodian Ministry, and they keep strange working hours...I think they take lunch from about 1100 - 1400.
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I'm not a negative person, I encourage people all the time...it's usually to f**k off! But, whatever.
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There isn't any "national visas" in Schengen area, only Schengen visa [/quote]
This is correct, but there are different Schengen visa (or more precisely one Schengen visa with different restrictions).
http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-types/
There isn't any "national visas" in Schengen area, only Schengen visa [/quote]
This is correct, but there are different Schengen visa (or more precisely one Schengen visa with different restrictions).
http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/schengen-visa-types/
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My take is that the family will be disappointed (if not offended) by you wanting to marry in another country.thisisbox wrote:epidemiks wrote:
> The money spent on flying to and fro, hotels, food, etc vs the cost of doing the
> legal things here would be about the same.
>
> The wife's family would also probably appreciate being present. Get enough enough
> guests to show up and you'll at least end up square on the ceremony/party costs.
>
> Time wise here it's simple, it takes a while to process, but no more than 3 days
> of actual work.
Maybe the cost would be the same, but the costs seems to vary so drastically for those who got married/quote in Cambodia. There's no reliable figure.
So I guess that just leaves the other main issue which is what's easier? And I guess more certified in the eyes of the UKVI.
Right now, it appears that going to Singapore or HK would be a lot easier. Of course, there would be a small ceremony in Cambodia after that too to please the wife's family.
There is no such thing as a "small ceremony" and you may earn a reputation of being cheap. And as was mentioned, not a lot of dollars inside the envelopes.
If you love and respect her and her family (they go together), do the right thing culturally.
Have you met your fiancee and her family in person?
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I wanted to ask PSD_Kiwi some questions and post my experience in case anyone is interested.
PSD_Kiwi, just out of curiosity when did you get married?
How up to date/current is the information for the contact at the MOFA?
The information is too late to help my partner and I but it may still be of use to a friend who is struggling to complete the marriage registration procedure in Cambodia now.
My partner and I got married in Japan 2 days ago.
We didn't do it in Cambodia for several reasons but one of the main reasons was because we were put off by the huge costs. Another is the long waiting time for documents to be processed.
As PSD_Kiwi mentioned it's only supposed to be $220 plus a bit for "donations" but we were quoted $450 to stamp documents at MOFA and $600 for marriage certificate with our thumb prints on at MOI so $1,050 in total.
My partners brother in law was given this information at the end of January, so less than 2 months ago.
As PSD_Kiwi and others including epidemiks have already mentioned it really does depend on who you deal with as to how much you will potentially pay.
Since my partners brother in law knew a French/Khmer couple who paid $1,050 last year he naturally assumed that this was the correct amount when he was quoted the same amount.
It's very hard to find out the correct amount since MOFA don't have the exact procedure/process or costs on their website and if you email or call MOFA there is no response which I'm sure many people on this forum have experienced or already know. I hadn't noticed PSD_Kiwi earlier threads with MOFA contact as I'm not a frequent user of this site.
My friends experience was that he couldn't even get into MOFA as the guard demanded he leave his documents with him and pay him $2,000. I think that's a bit more than just 'tea money'.
All I can say is, it was much cheaper, easier and stress-free for me to fly to Cambodia, collect my partners documents (Single certificate, birth certificate and photocopy of passport photo page with a notary stamp as proof of nationality) and take it to my local city hall in Tokyo. Japan is very progressive, my partner didn't even have to be there. I just brought the marriage application form which my partner had already signed along with his documents and the Japanese translation of those documents.
It took 20 minutes to check the documents and input the information into the computer and about another 20 minutes for them to print the marriage certificate and we were married in less than one hour. That's Japanese efficiency for you.
The marriage certificate was ¥350 (about $3). There's also a big fancier version of the marriage certificate (info is the same) for ¥1,400 (about $12).
Since the day you hand in the paperwork is the day of the marriage in Japan (it's not the day of the ceremony, unlike other countries) we were able to register the marriage on a special day, my partners birthday.
I think part of the reason it went smoothly is because I'm Japanese. I'm not sure what the rules of marriage are for 2 foreigners who are not residents in Japan but I can certainly find out if anyone is interested.
I'm no expert in marriage matters but my advice to thisisbox is to do it outside of Cambodia as wherever you choose to do it will be far cheaper, quicker and easier than in Cambodia. Cambodia is just an administrative nightmare and not just regarding the marriage procedure.
Like I mentioned before I've only been married for 2 days but we are going through the same thing in some ways because my partner and I won't be able to make a family book in Cambodia or add our children's names to said family book should we have any but this doesn't bother us as we can make a family book one week after registering the marriage in Japan and add the children's names to the family book in Japan.
It depends how bothered you or your partner are in terms of not being able to make a family book in Cambodia. To be honest that is the only demerit I can think of, of not getting married in Cambodia. That and the fact that it is not legally recognized in Cambodia but as you mentioned you'll be living in the UK so I don't think it'll affect your future unless you later decide to move to Cambodia.
PSD_Kiwi, just out of curiosity when did you get married?
How up to date/current is the information for the contact at the MOFA?
The information is too late to help my partner and I but it may still be of use to a friend who is struggling to complete the marriage registration procedure in Cambodia now.
My partner and I got married in Japan 2 days ago.
We didn't do it in Cambodia for several reasons but one of the main reasons was because we were put off by the huge costs. Another is the long waiting time for documents to be processed.
As PSD_Kiwi mentioned it's only supposed to be $220 plus a bit for "donations" but we were quoted $450 to stamp documents at MOFA and $600 for marriage certificate with our thumb prints on at MOI so $1,050 in total.
My partners brother in law was given this information at the end of January, so less than 2 months ago.
As PSD_Kiwi and others including epidemiks have already mentioned it really does depend on who you deal with as to how much you will potentially pay.
Since my partners brother in law knew a French/Khmer couple who paid $1,050 last year he naturally assumed that this was the correct amount when he was quoted the same amount.
It's very hard to find out the correct amount since MOFA don't have the exact procedure/process or costs on their website and if you email or call MOFA there is no response which I'm sure many people on this forum have experienced or already know. I hadn't noticed PSD_Kiwi earlier threads with MOFA contact as I'm not a frequent user of this site.
My friends experience was that he couldn't even get into MOFA as the guard demanded he leave his documents with him and pay him $2,000. I think that's a bit more than just 'tea money'.
All I can say is, it was much cheaper, easier and stress-free for me to fly to Cambodia, collect my partners documents (Single certificate, birth certificate and photocopy of passport photo page with a notary stamp as proof of nationality) and take it to my local city hall in Tokyo. Japan is very progressive, my partner didn't even have to be there. I just brought the marriage application form which my partner had already signed along with his documents and the Japanese translation of those documents.
It took 20 minutes to check the documents and input the information into the computer and about another 20 minutes for them to print the marriage certificate and we were married in less than one hour. That's Japanese efficiency for you.
The marriage certificate was ¥350 (about $3). There's also a big fancier version of the marriage certificate (info is the same) for ¥1,400 (about $12).
Since the day you hand in the paperwork is the day of the marriage in Japan (it's not the day of the ceremony, unlike other countries) we were able to register the marriage on a special day, my partners birthday.
I think part of the reason it went smoothly is because I'm Japanese. I'm not sure what the rules of marriage are for 2 foreigners who are not residents in Japan but I can certainly find out if anyone is interested.
I'm no expert in marriage matters but my advice to thisisbox is to do it outside of Cambodia as wherever you choose to do it will be far cheaper, quicker and easier than in Cambodia. Cambodia is just an administrative nightmare and not just regarding the marriage procedure.
Like I mentioned before I've only been married for 2 days but we are going through the same thing in some ways because my partner and I won't be able to make a family book in Cambodia or add our children's names to said family book should we have any but this doesn't bother us as we can make a family book one week after registering the marriage in Japan and add the children's names to the family book in Japan.
It depends how bothered you or your partner are in terms of not being able to make a family book in Cambodia. To be honest that is the only demerit I can think of, of not getting married in Cambodia. That and the fact that it is not legally recognized in Cambodia but as you mentioned you'll be living in the UK so I don't think it'll affect your future unless you later decide to move to Cambodia.
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i asked my gf if she thought her parents would be upset if we married in Sing or HK
she said,
"why? as long as they knew I was happy "
Plus she told me her parents never even bothered to get married
and they have a family book as well with all the kids in it.
YES, i would be interested in knowing what the rules are for 2 foreigners ( Khmer and US) marrying in Japan.
she said,
"why? as long as they knew I was happy "
Plus she told me her parents never even bothered to get married
and they have a family book as well with all the kids in it.
YES, i would be interested in knowing what the rules are for 2 foreigners ( Khmer and US) marrying in Japan.
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Phuket2006 wrote:i asked my gf if she thought her parents would be upset if we married in Sing or HK
she said,
"why? as long as they knew I was happy "
Plus she told me her parents never even bothered to get married
and they have a family book as well with all the kids in it.
YES, i would be interested in knowing what the rules are for 2 foreigners ( Khmer and US) marrying in Japan.
Oddly enough, this thread has nothing to do with you and your girlfriend, so why bring it up yet again?
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fuck u andy;
my response was in regards this post, now what is ur response for?? get a life, just cause everyone hates ya don't take it personal, blame ur parents.
BTW when u dont get personal ur a better person.
"Don-Pierre de Plume » Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:15 pm
My take is that the family will be disappointed (if not offended) by you wanting to marry in another country.
If you love and respect her and her family (they go together), do the right thing culturally."
my response was in regards this post, now what is ur response for?? get a life, just cause everyone hates ya don't take it personal, blame ur parents.
BTW when u dont get personal ur a better person.
"Don-Pierre de Plume » Tue Mar 15, 2016 9:15 pm
My take is that the family will be disappointed (if not offended) by you wanting to marry in another country.
If you love and respect her and her family (they go together), do the right thing culturally."
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Dude, you forgot to log in as GA!andyinasia wrote:Phuket2006 wrote:i asked my gf if she thought her parents would be upset if we married in Sing or HK
she said,
"why? as long as they knew I was happy "
Plus she told me her parents never even bothered to get married
and they have a family book as well with all the kids in it.
YES, i would be interested in knowing what the rules are for 2 foreigners ( Khmer and US) marrying in Japan.
Oddly enough, this thread has nothing to do with you and your girlfriend, so why bring it up yet again?
Another dreary gratuitous me me me post
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