Cost of Divorce
Just an update she went to Prey Veng this morning , cost is minimal however they need both parties to be present and sign the documentation. No great issue so can sort this easy enough he is happy enough to do it (will give him something for his trouble)
she is a smart girl travelled a lot with me and seen a lot of the world and can work a lot out for herself but shits me when she is back in the village and she listens to all the people in the village who in reality no nothing except gossip.
Thanks for everyones help hopefully when she rocks up with the former partner the goal posts havent changed again
she is a smart girl travelled a lot with me and seen a lot of the world and can work a lot out for herself but shits me when she is back in the village and she listens to all the people in the village who in reality no nothing except gossip.
Thanks for everyones help hopefully when she rocks up with the former partner the goal posts havent changed again
I presume she is getting the divorce so you can then get married. I was at the MoFA with a friend who is getting married to a local girl and they told him that his finance needs either a 'certificate of celibacy' or a 'certificate of divorce' from a court. She was never married but had kids with a previous Khmer boyfriend and is not eligible for the 'certificate of celibacy'. My mate is pissed cause he now he's paying for his fiancé's divorce even though she was never married.
Keep us posted on how much you do end up paying and whether the MoFA accept a Divorce certificate not from the courts (presuming you's is just being processed at the the local sankat - that was never clear)
Keep us posted on how much you do end up paying and whether the MoFA accept a Divorce certificate not from the courts (presuming you's is just being processed at the the local sankat - that was never clear)
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She's not married, she never was. It's the ministry, not the embassy. The problem is she can't provide them with a 'certificate of celibacy' (cause she's got kids) so can't complete the paperwork to get married. The next document was the 'certificate of divorce'. There was no in-between option like a 'certificate of being single' which the foreigners can get. The guy seemed pretty clear about it but it was just one guy.Gin&Tonic wrote:Don't tell the embassy that she is married. Then, no need for a divorce.
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I guess in hindsight he could have avoided telling them she had kids. Not sure if they are mentioned in her family book or not.
said Tiggerdog!
Pretty sure they are mentioned in the family book.Tiggerdog wrote:She's not married, she never was. It's the ministry, not the embassy. The problem is she can't provide them with a 'certificate of celibacy' (cause she's got kids) so can't complete the paperwork to get married. The next document was the 'certificate of divorce'. There was no in-between option like a 'certificate of being single' which the foreigners can get. The guy seemed pretty clear about it but it was just one guy.Gin&Tonic wrote:Don't tell the embassy that she is married. Then, no need for a divorce.
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I guess in hindsight he could have avoided telling them she had kids. Not sure if they are mentioned in her family book or not.
Are you 100% sure the MOFA will legalize the 'certificate of divorce'? I'm afraid they won't. About 4 years ago I needed either document to proof the mother of my child was not married to someone else at the time, but there was no way MOFA would provide anything like that to me, even though I did not need it for marriage, even after having a coffee with one of the high shots of that department @ MOFA and offering 'compensation'. They told me they were instructed to really enforce this law. They were willing to provide a document of being 'unwilling to provide documents' though, which made things a bit easier at the embassy of my country.
^ It is called a "Certificate of celibacy, widowhood or divorce", basically a certificate of single status/no impediment/whatever your country calls it. They are issued at Sangkat level (the Sangkat where the individual is registered), not from the MoFAIC.
I'm not a negative person, I encourage people all the time...it's usually to f**k off! But, whatever.
No they wont legalize it, thats not my point. My mate had every document except a his fiancé's 'Certificate of celibacy, widowhood or divorce' (thanks PSD Kiwi for pointing out it's one document). The MoFA said she must get a divorce through the courts to be able to obtain this certificate from the local Sankat (even though she was never married). Because she has kids she can't get the certificate citing celibacy grounds.Kachang wrote:Pretty sure they are mentioned in the family book.Tiggerdog wrote:She's not married, she never was. It's the ministry, not the embassy. The problem is she can't provide them with a 'certificate of celibacy' (cause she's got kids) so can't complete the paperwork to get married. The next document was the 'certificate of divorce'. There was no in-between option like a 'certificate of being single' which the foreigners can get. The guy seemed pretty clear about it but it was just one guy.Gin&Tonic wrote:Don't tell the embassy that she is married. Then, no need for a divorce.
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I guess in hindsight he could have avoided telling them she had kids. Not sure if they are mentioned in her family book or not.
Are you 100% sure the MOFA will legalize the 'certificate of divorce'? I'm afraid they won't. About 4 years ago I needed either document to proof the mother of my child was not married to someone else at the time, but there was no way MOFA would provide anything like that to me, even though I did not need it for marriage, even after having a coffee with one of the high shots of that department @ MOFA and offering 'compensation'. They told me they were instructed to really enforce this law. They were willing to provide a document of being 'unwilling to provide documents' though, which made things a bit easier at the embassy of my country.
I think I can see the logic in it. The divorce will have a ruling on who keeps the kids. Once they get married and make a new family book they'll only be able to include the kids (into the book) if the divorce ruling allows it. The biological Khmer father needs to agree to a divorce and give up the kids otherwise it might get messy and expensive.
I'm just pointing it out as the OP seemed to be suggesting he could get a Divorce pretty cheaply at Sankat level (although he was never clear), which may well be the case if there's no kids involved.
said Tiggerdog!
Do you think that there is any centralized computerized register of marriages that an embassy or anyone else could possibly look up? FFS she was never married no one cares.
No.shadow wrote:Do you think that there is any centralized computerized register of marriages that an embassy or anyone else could possibly look up?
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Its' the ministry not the embassy, and they care, they made that clear already. It's a nice idea though, that they don't care.shadow wrote:Do you think that there is any centralized computerized register of marriages that an embassy or anyone else could possibly look up? FFS she was never married no one cares.
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Have I got this straight?nus01 wrote:My intial understanding is that it was at sangat level ie she told all the local wat to dsolve the marriage , however now that it may effect the visa it seems it is an official marriage and she has to go to Prey Veng.
If the cost is $600 because it has to go through the courts so be it, however i thought it was a case of them knowing she has a foreign partner. However she has told me two other girls in the village paid this. We haven't heard anything official as she is going tomorrow, it just didn't sound right to me .
I told her to pay up to $200 and if they don't accept that well get a lawyer to do it properly.
thanks for everyones input so far
OP has a Khmer g/f who has kids already from a previous "husband". The couple are planning to get married in Australia. In order to be able to do so she must provide a legalised Certificate of No Impediment.
The marriage may or may not have been official. If it wasn't she doesn't have/can't get a divorce certificate and she clearly doesn't qualify for anything celibacy related. If the marriage was official then even if she gets divorced MoFA won't legalise the divorce certificate just because.
Is that where we're up to? It's not clear because there's talk of new family books too.
Why does the next marriage have to take place in Australia? Would a wedding somewhere else be sufficient?
If so, go and get married in Hong Kong.
If the original marriage was not official there is no need for a divorce certificate and there is NO requirement from the HK authorities for any of that Certificate of Non-Impediment bollocks. All she needs is a passport.
If the marriage was official get a divorce locally for whatever it costs. Take whatever certificate is produced to HK. So long as it's stamped by a Court here it'll be fine. She'll have to show the certificate and swear an oath in front of the marriage registrar or a Notary that she's divorced and hasn't re-married. Then get married there. It'll take 2 trips to HK (1 for the application, 1 to get married) or a longer trip of a minimum of about 4 weeks.
Get the HK marriage certificate legalised/Apostilled or whatever the Aussie visa requirements are before leaving HK.
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Or just stop right there to think for a moment. Maybe think something along the lines of: why am I even doing this? Everything I've heard about marriage is bullshit and now these obstacles appear for no good reason.walkjivefly wrote:If the marriage was official get a divorce locally for whatever it costs. Take whatever certificate is produced to HK. So long as it's stamped by a Court here it'll be fine. She'll have to show the certificate and swear an oath in front of the marriage registrar or a Notary that she's divorced and hasn't re-married. Then get married there. It'll take 2 trips to HK (1 for the application, 1 to get married) or a longer trip of a minimum of about 4 weeks.
Maybe it's an omen. Maybe only suckers get married. And they sure suck at promoting it.
Maybe this is the best excuse to avoid the entire thing and just get on with my life.
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ifs thats the regular price then just swallow the costs if you can afford it. they want to see paperwork, give them the paperwork.
As the saying goes,''It costs a lot to get married,but a hell of a lot more to get divorced''.
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