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Maybe it depends on whether they are leaving for tourism, work, marriage, etc. I've definitely read stuff about young Filipinas needing exit clearance in some cases. They can't just show up penniless at the airport in Manila holding a ticket to Bangladesh and say "some guy I met online offered me a job there."
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Y'all are talking about the "Guidance and Counseling Certificate," issued by the "Commission on Filipinos Overseas."
For anyone traveling on a marriage/fiancee/family visa with a foreign national.
Its how the Flip govt, vets the foreign dudes marring their women, very lax standards from what I've read, just need all your paperwork in order.
The younger ladies are sometime required to bring notarized permission from the parents.
As stated before, various other ways for them to exit the country.
For anyone traveling on a marriage/fiancee/family visa with a foreign national.
Its how the Flip govt, vets the foreign dudes marring their women, very lax standards from what I've read, just need all your paperwork in order.
The younger ladies are sometime required to bring notarized permission from the parents.
As stated before, various other ways for them to exit the country.
Don-Pierre de Plume wrote:It's YOU who is talking out of your arse, misleading posters. It's called being offloaded. I can show you the boarding pass of a lady who bought a ticket Manila-Singapore (return, two weeks visiting friends in Singapore), checked in but immigration denied her boarding. Last March.scobienz wrote:Utter bollocks. There is nothing to stop Flippers leaving the country. You're talkng out of your arse.MotherOfDragons wrote:Obtaining a visa is easy for Filipinos here. But leaving the country is hard. The immigration doesn't allow filipinos to leave the country easily.
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The OP's girl needs to get some documentation ready, to convince the immigration bitches that it's above board.
I can't comment on the quality of women you know in the Philippines. Perhaps there were issues you don't know about that meant she wasn't allowed to leave.
I can only comment on those I know. Never been any issues. Ever.
Perhaps we move in different circles Don. Yes, that's the most obvious explanation.
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Scobienz was wrong to say that MotherOfDragon's comments about Filipinos having trouble leaving was "utter bollocks" and that nothing stops them from leaving and that the poster was "talking out of [his] arse."
And when people like Don-Pierre de Plume pointed out that Scobienz is incorrect, he shouldn't attack them by suggesting that they and their Filipino acquaintances are low class.
This is quite ugly. All Scobienz had to say was "Oh, I stand corrected, I didn't know the government of the Philippines restricts some citizens from leaving in the circumstances you guys have mentioned."
And when people like Don-Pierre de Plume pointed out that Scobienz is incorrect, he shouldn't attack them by suggesting that they and their Filipino acquaintances are low class.
This is quite ugly. All Scobienz had to say was "Oh, I stand corrected, I didn't know the government of the Philippines restricts some citizens from leaving in the circumstances you guys have mentioned."
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I stand by my comments and would welcome a link to an official source that bars any normal Philippines citizen from leaving the country.
Are we really taking the word of an asshat who tried to sell a meter of blue computer cable as gospel?
Christ alive. I've arranged to fly my teenage stepdaughter out to visit me and her mother to HK, Singapore, Vietnam and Cambodia several times over the last few years. Unaccompanied. No drama. No questions. No restrictions. Nothing.
Are we really taking the word of an asshat who tried to sell a meter of blue computer cable as gospel?
Christ alive. I've arranged to fly my teenage stepdaughter out to visit me and her mother to HK, Singapore, Vietnam and Cambodia several times over the last few years. Unaccompanied. No drama. No questions. No restrictions. Nothing.
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https://www.philippine-embassy.org.sg/l ... icate-oec/scobienz wrote:I stand by my comments and would welcome a link to an official source that bars any normal Philippines citizen from leaving the country.
Overseas Employment Certificate (OEC)
The Overseas Employment Certificate (OEC) is a requirement under the rules and regulations of the Philippine Overseas Employment Administration (POEA) to help ensure that overseas Filipino workers (OFWs) are properly documented and protected.
The OEC, sometimes also called the “exit pass,” is required to be presented to international ports of exit in the Philippines as proof that the holder is a bona fide OFW.
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And here is more discussion of how immigration officers the Philippines interrogate departing Filipinos (especially young women) and disapprove their travel or "offload" them if they are not satisfied that the traveler has a good reason to be leaving.
https://www.pinoy-ofw.com/news/36431-ho ... -naia.html
https://www.pinoy-ofw.com/news/36431-ho ... -naia.html
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I would typically google something for at least a minute, even if I'm relatively sure about my statement, before making a strong stance against an attorney. Even if I know I'm correct, I would like to see what they may fire back with. Hard to argue against government websites. Uncharacteristic for Scobie.gavinmac wrote:https://www.philippine-embassy.org.sg/l ... icate-oec/scobienz wrote:I stand by my comments and would welcome a link to an official source that bars any normal Philippines citizen from leaving the country.
Overseas Employment Certificate (OEC)
The Overseas Employment Certificate (OEC) is a requirement under the rules and regulations of the Philippine Overseas Employment Administration (POEA) to help ensure that overseas Filipino workers (OFWs) are properly documented and protected.
The OEC, sometimes also called the “exit pass,” is required to be presented to international ports of exit in the Philippines as proof that the holder is a bona fide OFW.
gavinmac wrote:https://www.philippine-embassy.org.sg/l ... icate-oec/scobienz wrote:I stand by my comments and would welcome a link to an official source that bars any normal Philippines citizen from leaving the country.
Overseas Employment Certificate (OEC)
The Overseas Employment Certificate (OEC) is a requirement under the rules and regulations of the Philippine Overseas Employment Administration (POEA) to help ensure that overseas Filipino workers (OFWs) are properly documented and protected.
The OEC, sometimes also called the “exit pass,” is required to be presented to international ports of exit in the Philippines as proof that the holder is a bona fide OFW.
What do the exit requirements of OFWs have to do with the debate? That's ridiculous logic. An exit pass is needed for OFWs - absolutely. How is that hindering Filipinos from leaving? And if they aren't OFWs they can leave completely freely.
You've been to bars in wanchai and Singapore gavinmac. They are full of girls who leave freely on two holiday visas and can travel totally freely. As can any citizen, as my example above shows.
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Here are the actual Guidelines on Departure Formalities for International-Bound Passengers in All Airports and Seaports in the Country.
And here is a Press Release from the Bureau of Immigration stating that there is no "offloading policy", but that there are requirements to leave/travel. There is a primary inspection, which Scobie's friends/family have probably cleared, but some are flagged for a secondary inspection, which Dragon's friends have probably been subjected to. They clearly state what are some triggers for being subjected to secondary inspection.
And here is a Press Release from the Bureau of Immigration stating that there is no "offloading policy", but that there are requirements to leave/travel. There is a primary inspection, which Scobie's friends/family have probably cleared, but some are flagged for a secondary inspection, which Dragon's friends have probably been subjected to. They clearly state what are some triggers for being subjected to secondary inspection.
Under the guidelines, travelers are categorized according to purpose, whether tourist, OFWs, Immigrants, etc. Requirements to be asked from travelers are also based on their respective purposes.
Tourists must prove their financial capability for the trip, present proof of work or support in the Philippines, or submit an affidavit of support if they are visiting relatives overseas, to prevent being offloaded from flights.
Filipinos with legal work visas and overseas employment certificates are required to present these documents when leaving the country.
Mison warned against a common practice of leaving the country in the guise of a tourist and essentially working for an employer upon reaching the country of destination. He stressed that these undocumented Filipinos are more prone to abuse in other countries.
“Since they already invested so much for their trip, they will not go home empty handed, making them more susceptible to trafficking.” Mison said.
He explained that the implementation of the sad Guidelines contributed to a decline in the incidents of human trafficking and illegal recruitment. As a matter of fact, the Philippines has been elevated to Tier 2 status in the US Department Trafficking in Persons (TIP) Report.
Citizens with tourist visas are the focus of the stipulations, for most illegal workers come from this demographic.
He said some possible tourist worker profiles include:
First time travellers who are going to destinations that are not popular among tourists,
Tourists with no steady source of income in the Philippines and no benefactors.While other red flags exist, the BI clarified that they “assess the totality of the circumstances” to determine the passenger's true intent.
Mison appealed for understanding from Filipino travelers who may be inconvenienced by the guidelines, saying these are for the protection of citizens against human trafficking.
“We don’t offload people just because we want to. It’s a bitter pill that we have to swallow because we want to protect our fellow Filipinos.” Mison said. “Under our BI C.A.R.E.S (Courtesy-Accountability-Responsibility-Efficiency-Service) Program, we want our countrymen to understand that there is no reason to fear us, in fact they can ask us for advise on how to legitimize their travel and we will be happy to help.” he added.
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Well, it hinders them from leaving because they AREN'T ALLOWED TO LEAVE to work overseas until they first apply for and obtain this permission slip from their government to do so. That's what we were discussing on Page One of the thread until you jumped in on Page Two to declare this "utter bollocks" and to say "Nothing prevents flippers from leaving."scobienz wrote:
What do the exit requirements of OFWs have to do with the debate? That's ridiculous logic. An exit pass is needed for OFWs - absolutely. How is that hindering Filipinos from leaving?
As far as tourists are concerned, you seem to be ignoring what I posted here about immigration officers in the Philippines refusing to let citizens leave:
https://www.pinoy-ofw.com/news/36431-ho ... -naia.html
There's also a nine page Tripadvisor thread about it here:
https://www.tripadvisor.com.ph/ShowTopi ... pines.html
The argument you seem to be making is "The two Filipinos I know have always been allowed to leave, so that means there's nothing preventing Flippers from leaving and anyone who says otherwise is talking out of his ass and spewing utter bollocks."
You're not arguing from a position of strength here.
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