I'm just fascinated by the living arrangements. How many people are living in the house? Does he pay rent?scobienz wrote:I don't know why people are calling him an idiot for getting her pregnant. They know nothing of the dynamics of the relationship and from the tone of the OP's posts he seems genuinely happy and is looking forward to the birth of their first child, even to the point of travelling back to Cambodia to be here for the birth.
It's good to see he cares. Not all expat fathers are the deadbeats we often read about.
Pregnant Khmer girlfriend, help or hinder visa?
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Sure? I know for women having US nationality this is valid, since it's 100% sure it's their baby so it inherits nationality by birth, but maybe for men there's more to it than just taking the Cambodian birth certificate given out by the Sangkat to the embassy.....? Imagine all those Khmer women lining up for a passport for their baby with a US bloke's name in the certificate.... Claiming is one, I guess it's about having the right paperwork.Phuket2006 wrote:any child born of a US citizen anywhere, can claim US citizenship
Marriage is not a requirement.
I remember clearly to provide my daughter with my nationality (European, so no US, but yes I'm a man) I had to provide loads of paperwork (some of which MFA would not provide because we're not officially married, just like the OP) and even had to visit my home country to finalize the paperwork. All in all it took over 18 months time, several visits to MFA, a visit to the embassy in Bangkok (several due to my own mistake, one could have done) and visits to several government offices in my home country so sort it all out. Could have been faster, but no way I could have done it in a month or two.
And to the OP, go to the embassy and try to make an appointment for a conversation there to have yourself informed. Laws, esp. laws about immigration and visa, are not static, they change all the time and usually not in your favour. Most people here are referring to experiences in the past - situation might be different now.. Embassy should be able to to tell you.
In the mean time, you'd better look for a reliable hospital in Cambodia for your 'wife' to give birth. Chances are small she will give birth in the USA, and even if she does, place of birth is no reason for providing someone with a passport of that country. Even if born in the USA, you'd still have t present the same paperwork, whatever that is in your situation.
Loads. I'm afraid. There's a few laws actually being enforced @ MFA, according to my experience, and this is one of them, or was one of them about 2 years ag. The other one is not giving out legalized certificates of being divorced / unmarried.Falcon Randwick wrote:I'm pretty sure there is a way around the income requirement. He might need to hand over a few green forms first, though...
I offered several greens (about the value of a Honda Dream) to a high shot over a coffee for one of these certificates and was declined - he claimed 'risk too big'. Imagine the price of a birth certificate....
Even if you have work, you're f*cked for a while. You have to provide proof of a steady income over a certain amount for a certain period of time, over 1 Y if I remember well. MFA have the exact info.Jsz wrote:I currently don't meet the income requirements for a Cambodian marriage only because I am travelling and not currently working, therefore my monthly income is zero. Prior to traveling, and when I return to work, that will not be a problem. I was under the impression that the income barrier was a tough one to get past if it is not current, but have read a lot of conflicting info on the subject.
gavinmac wrote:I don't know what you mean here. I assume that if she can get a visa to the US, she can get married in the US, no permissions required, right?Joon wrote:And the US won't allow marriage because the Khmer girlfriend will need the Cambodian authorities to permit the marriage, which they won't.
I think she might need a document she's not married in Cambodia to marry in the US since polygamy is not allowed, and MFA will not provide that document.
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I've never been married, in the US or anywhere else. I agree that polygamy is illegal in the US, but I have never heard of anyone in the US needing proof that they are unmarried in order to get married in the US.Kachang wrote:
I think she might need a document she's not married in Cambodia to marry in the US since polygamy is not allowed, and MFA will not provide that document.
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I seem to recall reading that the document stating that the woman is not currently married was roughly translated as a "certificate of celibacy"? in English. I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure that I recall reading that. If that is true, I also appreciate the irony. Does anyone know for sure if that comes from the MFA versus the local police/Sangkat? I realize that these "laws" may change, or vary from person to person. Any chance anyone has some recent experience? I will visit the embassy as soon as I return, hopefully even if I have to pay for an appointment, I can get some definitive answers.
You don't have to pay for appoinment. Just booking by online in their website.
True, it's given out by the Sangkat, but no one else in the world will except it outside of Cambodia because it's a shitty piece of paper. You need a legalized version from MFA, translated, stamped and signed, and since the new laws on weddings they (MFA) will not provide you with one because they want Cambodians to marry on Cambodian terms. I tried, offering green leaves (see other post) and was turned down.Jsz wrote:I seem to recall reading that the document stating that the woman is not currently married was roughly translated as a "certificate of celibacy"? in English. I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure that I recall reading that. If that is true, I also appreciate the irony. Does anyone know for sure if that comes from the MFA versus the local police/Sangkat? I realize that these "laws" may change, or vary from person to person. Any chance anyone has some recent experience? I will visit the embassy as soon as I return, hopefully even if I have to pay for an appointment, I can get some definitive answers.
I worked my way around this by having the family book legalized at MFA (no husband in there), they still do [edit: did, 2 yrs ago] that one, and my government accepted that document for providing my daughter with my nationality after verifying the 'certificate of celibacy' was actually refused by MFA.
[edit: Apparently (post Phuket2006) US embassy accepts document from Sangkat. I would have it confirmed since I think most embassies will not accept documents in Khmer language (1) and from local authorities (2). But the US embassy can let you know current situation on that.]
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Kachang wrote:Sure? I know for women having US nationality this is valid, since it's 100% sure it's their baby so it inherits nationality by birth, but maybe for men there's more to it than just taking the Cambodian birth certificate given out by the Sangkat to the embassy.....? Imagine all those Khmer women lining up for a passport for their baby with a US bloke's name in the certificate.... Claiming is one, I guess it's about having the right paperwork.Phuket2006 wrote:any child born of a US citizen anywhere, can claim US citizenship
Marriage is not a requirement.
I remember clearly to provide my daughter with my nationality (European, so no US, but yes I'm a man) I had to provide loads of paperwork (some of which MFA would not provide because we're not officially married, just like the OP) and even had to visit my home country to finalize the paperwork. All in all it took over 18 months time, several visits to MFA, a visit to the embassy in Bangkok (several due to my own mistake, one could have done) and visits to several government offices in my home country so sort it all out. Could have been faster, but no way I could have done it in a month or two.
And to the OP, go to the embassy and try to make an appointment for a conversation there to have yourself informed. Laws, esp. laws about immigration and visa, are not static, they change all the time and usually not in your favour. Most people here are referring to experiences in the past - situation might be different now.. Embassy should be able to to tell you.
In the mean time, you'd better look for a reliable hospital in Cambodia for your 'wife' to give birth. Chances are small she will give birth in the USA, and even if she does, place of birth is no reason for providing someone with a passport of that country. Even if born in the USA, you'd still have t present the same paperwork, whatever that is in your situation.
YES 100% sure; thats why i said document relationship with photos, emails.etc
Also the embassy MIGHT require 2 witness to verify they know the couple has been together and if they are still not sure can ask for a DNA but have never heard of that being asked.
To get the US fiance visa she will NEED the paper from her sangket verifying she is single an free to marry. and thats just the start of the visa process.
I got a same visa for the mother of my daughter and the US embassy required prove from the local amphur that she stated she was not married.
Even back in 1997 this took over 6 months to get it all together an am sure its a LOT harder now
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Since you're in the States now you might try to collect your info there too....Jsz wrote:I seem to recall reading that the document stating that the woman is not currently married was roughly translated as a "certificate of celibacy"? in English. I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure that I recall reading that. If that is true, I also appreciate the irony. Does anyone know for sure if that comes from the MFA versus the local police/Sangkat? I realize that these "laws" may change, or vary from person to person. Any chance anyone has some recent experience? I will visit the embassy as soon as I return, hopefully even if I have to pay for an appointment, I can get some definitive answers.
Yeah I was thinking that OP could get the info about what his girlfriend needs to present to get married in the US, since he's there.Kachang wrote:Since you're in the States now you might try to collect your info there too....Jsz wrote:I seem to recall reading that the document stating that the woman is not currently married was roughly translated as a "certificate of celibacy"? in English. I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure that I recall reading that. If that is true, I also appreciate the irony. Does anyone know for sure if that comes from the MFA versus the local police/Sangkat? I realize that these "laws" may change, or vary from person to person. Any chance anyone has some recent experience? I will visit the embassy as soon as I return, hopefully even if I have to pay for an appointment, I can get some definitive answers.
For me it was easier to collect the info in my home country than with the embassy, embassy didn't seem interested in informing me, to be honest....Joon wrote:Yeah I was thinking that OP could get the info about what his girlfriend needs to present to get married in the US, since he's there.Kachang wrote:Since you're in the States now you might try to collect your info there too....Jsz wrote:I seem to recall reading that the document stating that the woman is not currently married was roughly translated as a "certificate of celibacy"? in English. I may be wrong, but I am pretty sure that I recall reading that. If that is true, I also appreciate the irony. Does anyone know for sure if that comes from the MFA versus the local police/Sangkat? I realize that these "laws" may change, or vary from person to person. Any chance anyone has some recent experience? I will visit the embassy as soon as I return, hopefully even if I have to pay for an appointment, I can get some definitive answers.
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place of birth is no reason for providing someone with a passport of that country
For America it IS
thats why there is the current trouble with all the Chinese traveling pregnant to the states to have their babies as being born on US soil entitles the baby to US citizenship
Back in the old days in the PI Pregnant girls were taking tours of US ships an taking meds to force labor so the child would be born on the ship and therefor US soil and get us Citizenship.
Note when applying for the visa any and all docs NOT in english need to officially translated ( the us embassy will provide u with the names of who they accept translations from)
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