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how many days does one need to stay in a country before they can say they know it?

Postby Fred Edwards » Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:44 pm

just realized what a silly question it is....but if you could put a time limit on it how long would you say , does it depend on country size, what exactly do you have to do to know a country?
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Re: how many days does one need to stay in a country before they can say they know it?

Postby logos » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:10 pm

Fred Edwards wrote:just realized what a silly question it is.

You should have done a Jep and deleted your own post, like he does for half his posts before anybody notices them, thankfully.
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Re: how many days does one need to stay in a country before they can say they know it?

Postby Phuket2006 » Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:49 pm

32 years in Thailand, cant claim to know it and still many places have not yet been to
stupid not silly question.
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Re: how many days does one need to stay in a country before they can say they know it?

Postby Fred Edwards » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:49 pm

logos wrote:
Fred Edwards wrote:just realized what a silly question it is.

You should have done a Jep and deleted your own post, like he does for half his posts before anybody notices them, thankfully.



quite right the third man , anyway the other day I saw something very unusual in the market can you guess what it was( and don't think dungeon accessories ) ?
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Re: how many days does one need to stay in a country before they can say they know it?

Postby logos » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:57 pm

Fred Edwards wrote:
logos wrote:
Fred Edwards wrote:just realized what a silly question it is.

You should have done a Jep and deleted your own post, like he does for half his posts before anybody notices them, thankfully.



quite right the third man , anyway the other day I saw something very unusual in the market can you guess what it was( and don't think dungeon accessories ) ?

That's an easy one Freddie, the treasure map that set you off on a european tour in a hipster van :thumbsup:
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Re: how many days does one need to stay in a country before they can say they know it?

Postby Lucky Lucan » Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:58 pm

Some people figure out stuff quickly. This country is difficult though, I've been here quite a few years and I'm not sure I know anything really.
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Re: how many days does one need to stay in a country before they can say they know it?

Postby bipolar bear » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:15 am

Lucky Lucan wrote:Some people figure out stuff quickly. This country is difficult though, I've been here quite a few years and I'm not sure I know anything really.


I think one of the most hazardous times a Westerner can be in a country like Cambodia is when they get to that point where they think they actually understand the place. :lol:
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Re: how many days does one need to stay in a country before they can say they know it?

Postby Hanno » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:44 am

Overhearing the soap-dodgers: about 4 hours.
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Re: how many days does one need to stay in a country before they can say they know it?

Postby LaudJohn » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:02 pm

Every country is different.

For Cambodia you only truly get to know Khmer's when you employ them.

You learn a whole new facet of the country when you do business and deal with the government and officials.

Been here years, understand it really well but still learning.

For England for example a ride on the tube in London will tell you lots, especially in summer. The nation has an aversion to bathing, loves to queue, moans constantly (mostly about the weather) and is overall very polite. So about a week to understand that morbid country.
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Re: how many days does one need to stay in a country before they can say they know it?

Postby 2Che » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:15 pm

A person can know if they like a place in minutes/hours/days. "Know" is a big concept. Years
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Postby ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ » Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:04 pm

LaudJohn wrote:Every country is different.

For Cambodia you only truly get to know Khmer's when you employ them.

You learn a whole new facet of the country when you do business and deal with the government and officials.

Been here years, understand it really well but still learning.


Culture is so different to back home that every time you do something new you get another layer of partial understanding.
1. Speak the language
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3. Live with a local
4. Date or get married to (I expect..)
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With each one of those the curtain will be pulled back a bit. But culture is so complex no guest is likely to grasp it fully. For me, the more I know, the more I realise I don’t know.
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Re: how many days does one need to stay in a country before they can say they know it?

Postby crazyjohn » Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:10 pm

If one doesn't speak the language fluently then one know nothing.
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Re: how many days does one need to stay in a country before they can say they know it?

Postby LexusSchmexus » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:39 pm

Hann[quote="Hanno wrote:Overhearing the soap-dodgers: about 4 hours.

Like maaaan, I've been here for 6 weeks, so I understand this place so well man. I know like, all the secret spots. I've "done" Cambodia.

Lucky Lucan wrote:Some people figure out stuff quickly. This country is difficult though, I've been here quite a few years and I'm not sure I know anything really.

This. I'm always amazed at how dense some expats can be, often people who have been here ages. There's no set time frame to “know” a place. Besides, what does “know” mean? The history, culture, language, geography, social mores... All of the above?
I started learning the language as soon as I got here and I do think it helped jump-start my general understanding. Within four months or so I could have basic conversations and by now am for the most part fluent. Having a local partner of course is a big step in understanding the country and culture. Travelling around the country also helps a lot. Many expats are confined to the bubbles of either PP, Sihanoukville or smaller towns such as Kampot/Battambang. Going beyond those places without the language being a barrier gives you way more insight into the culture, thought process and people. That being said, I'm not ethnographer or historian, so a lot of things that happen I don't often analyze too deeply. Sometimes I'll ask people why they do X or Y, but more often than not I don't and just internalize it. I speak fluent Khmer, have been all over the country 10X over and in and out of relationships with Khmer girls of varying backgrounds, yet the place still puzzles me in many ways. Technically-spekaing, you can never leave your own cultural perspective/experiences behind, and as such, will always view a new place through a specific lens. Do I understand Cambodia? I kind of think I do, but five years ago I thought I knew Cambodia and now I realize I didn’t know much... The same can be said of 7 years ago etc. Basically for a culture and country as different as our own as Cambodia is, one never stops learning. Some just learn the basics way faster than others and then continually hone and adjust their understanding, while others are content to skim the surface for a variety of reasons.
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Re: how many days does one need to stay in a country before they can say they know it?

Postby bigphatt » Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:57 pm

as long as the new owner of 440?
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Re: how many days does one need to stay in a country before they can say they know it?

Postby LexusSchmexus » Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:13 pm

I don't think knowing everything about the various CoC's and Wine and Cheese nights gives points towards understanding the country. That being said, he probably knows more about proper etiquette amongst the Oknas/Tchoumtiyous and high-ranking government officials than any of us combined. He's got the baller echelons covered, he just doesn't know much about the remaining 99%... :-P
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