Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

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Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby Bennu » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:16 am

I've been hearing a lot of total opposite information about teaching English without a degree. So, if one has a TEFL and looks and sounds professional, but has no degree or teaching experience, should they be able to find a job fairly easily?

I've heard that there are swarms of people unable to find work, and then I hear a lot of stories of people who found work easily, in a day or two. I see scruffy looking road dogs getting jobs and then I hear of people with a degree and experience unable to find work.

So, what's the truth about it?
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Re: Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby electrolime » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:43 am

The experience will differ from person to person. Where are you from? What do you look like? Is English your first language?
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Re: Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby batshitcrazyweirdo » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:01 am

Bennu wrote:I've been hearing a lot of total opposite information about teaching English without a degree. So, if one has a TEFL and looks and sounds professional, but has no degree or teaching experience, should they be able to find a job fairly easily?

I've heard that there are swarms of people unable to find work, and then I hear a lot of stories of people who found work easily, in a day or two. I see scruffy looking road dogs getting jobs and then I hear of people with a degree and experience unable to find work.

So, what's the truth about it?


Truth is ... you sell yourself. Scruffy lookin or not. Degree or not. Experience ............. well, that's something else. Speak to Vlad.
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Re: Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby Blodwyn » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:26 am

The correct answer to your question is both yes and no. It's purely up to whether the person interviewing you likes you or not. Cambodia style. I know people at ACE without a degree or CELTA, and I know people who have been turned down at BELTEI with 19 years experience, a degree in English education, a PGCE and a CELTA.

However, unless you are very desperate, I don't advise you coming to Cambodia to teach without either because you'll more than likely (95%of jobs) be getting paid less than $4 an hour, when you take in all the unpaid exam/ curriculum writing, exam marking and 3 months of unpaid term breaks and holidays.
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Re: Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby violet » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:32 am

Blodwyn wrote:The correct answer to your question is both yes and no. It's purely up to whether the person interviewing you likes you or not. Cambodia style. I know people at ACE without a degree or CELTA, and I know people who have been turned down at BELTEI with 19 years experience, a degree in English education, a PGCE and a CELTA.

However, unless you are very desperate, I don't advise you coming to Cambodia to teach without either because you'll more than likely (95%of jobs) be getting paid less than $4 an hour. If you take in all the unpaid exam/ curriculum writing, exam marking and 3 months of term breaks and holidays.


Really? There are English language teachers at ACE without a degree or CELTA? Do they have a teaching qualification?
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Re: Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby Blodwyn » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:46 am

violet wrote:
Blodwyn wrote:The correct answer to your question is both yes and no. It's purely up to whether the person interviewing you likes you or not. Cambodia style. I know people at ACE without a degree or CELTA, and I know people who have been turned down at BELTEI with 19 years experience, a degree in English education, a PGCE and a CELTA.

However, unless you are very desperate, I don't advise you coming to Cambodia to teach without either because you'll more than likely (95%of jobs) be getting paid less than $4 an hour. If you take in all the unpaid exam/ curriculum writing, exam marking and 3 months of term breaks and holidays.


Really? There are English language teachers at ACE without a degree or CELTA? Do they have a teaching qualification?


It's much worse than that, when you start digging into it. A lot of the Khmer staff haven't got diddly squat and are in management positions at many of the schools. Also, some westerners too. I met one such Khmer DOS who was being flown to Australia for a high level education meeting. At Australia's expense of course. The guy was actually military police.
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Re: Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby violet » Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:55 am

DOS means director of security? Is there an issue with a military policeman being a director of security?


Edit. DOS...director of studies
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Re: Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby the chicken » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:45 am

Yes. In short, if a grumpy grandma like Violet can be a teacher here, anyone could.
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Re: Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby violet » Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:54 am

the chicken wrote:Yes. In short, if a grumpy grandma like Violet can be a teacher here, anyone could.


I used to laugh. Laughter has been taken away. I hope not forever.

As for teaching, I have a degree plus. Also, I have a CELTA. I tried hard to improve within the time constraints and work/life balance. I may not be the best teacher but I am fairly confident I am not the worst. At least I didn't get paid to sit and read my phone while students worked through photocopiables. At least I don't shrug off situations under the guise of something not being my job, when others fail to do theirs. I am all about the customer experience. Sometimes I am not the best deliverer of a great experience, but I can guarantee I have huge care factor and would greatly like to ensure others who are more capable deliver quality to the customer at all times. Agile workers are not confined by job titles.

What do you do chicken?


Oh, and for the record....some of the best people don't have degrees and didn't finish school.



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Re: Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby the chicken » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:01 am

After 5 years of this dead-end profession I am contemplating on being the next Jewburry.
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Re: Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby violet » Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:08 am

Good luck
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Re: Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby CambodianDevil » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:33 pm

There are a number of international schools who will still hire people without a degree. If you are young, attractive, female, you don't even need to be native English speaker. Those position routinely offer $10-12 per hour and are okay if you just want to experience a new country and hang out for a bit. You will also work your butt off and get a lot of classroom experience. If you find you like it, a CELTA might be a good investment. In Cambodia, one can be obtained in four weeks for around $1,700--probably one of the cheapest prices in the world. You will then be able to get work in better schools and as long as you have a good reputation as a teacher, you will always have a place to work.

One thing I disagree with from another poster here is that ACE has teachers without degrees or CELTAs. As far as working somewhere like ACE without a degree or CELTA, there is no level of influence that would even get you an interview without proper credentials. They have a proper Human Resources department that requires all documentation be in place before a contract is offered, including background checks, college transcripts, CELTA certification, etc. They are not taking people walking in off the street who have never taught or been trained to teach. I have worked for ACE for two years and everyone I have worked with have advanced degrees in education or a college degree and CELTA certification. Were these requirements always in place?? I'm not sure, so I can't say there isn't a good teacher in the mix with no degree who was hired 5-10 years ago at one of the five campuses. Maybe the other poster has met someone who got in with no degree, I won't call anyone a liar. But in any case, today, you would not be able to get a position with ACE with only a smile and a handshake.
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Re: Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby batshitcrazyweirdo » Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:43 pm

Well, you are certainly wrong about almost everything you wrote, including ACE.

Have you been getting your information from a teacher called Kieran Thomas Gajraj?
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Re: Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby violet » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:02 pm

batshitcrazyweirdo wrote:Well, you are certainly wrong about almost everything you wrote, including ACE.

Have you been getting your information from a teacher called Kieran Thomas Gajraj?

Where are your credentials that allow you to speak with such authority?
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Re: Teaching English without a degree. So many mixed messages. What's the truth?

Postby batshitcrazyweirdo » Sat Dec 15, 2018 1:24 pm

violet wrote:
batshitcrazyweirdo wrote:Well, you are certainly wrong about almost everything you wrote, including ACE.

Have you been getting your information from a teacher called Kieran Thomas Gajraj?

Where are your credentials that allow you to speak with such authority?


Credentials? I worked for them. For 2 days. That was enough.

What's your credentials?
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