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Excellent Perspective on the Serena Williams Outburst

Postby springrain » Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:52 pm

I used to love the Indy - indeed, I was a newsagent when its first ever edition was published. Now, I dislike its stance on Brexit, which makes it clear the Indy is a Rothschilds' front. The paper has gradually shifted its stance over the last few years - as has the once-anti-establishment Guardian (when it was still the Manchester Guardian.) However, there is still room in the Indy for quality sports writing:

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Re: Excellent Perspective on the Serena Williams Outburst

Postby ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ » Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:31 pm

This is very good.
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Re: Excellent Perspective on the Serena Williams Outburst

Postby Spigzy » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:57 am

I thought it was a bloody soft article trying to justify outrageous behaviour. I have nothing but the utmost admiration for Serena Williams and her achievements, particularly given the back story of how she became the greatest female tennis player of all time (and I'm more Navratilova's generation). But I'm also English, and there's no damn room for petulant cry babies in any sport, I'd ban her for life, that'll teach her.

And also because I'm English I'd change my mind again in about a week, replace the Prime Minister and reinstate her again, those glorious thighs pounding another ball into the far corner & taking more grand slams.

Storm in a tea cup. All champions have an overwhelming urge to win at all costs, it's why they can be total assholes when they're playing - and perhaps nice as pie when out of their arena; it's what champions are made of, and why Brits always come up short ... Go Tim!! Such a nice guy ...
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Re: Excellent Perspective on the Serena Williams Outburst

Postby Miguelito » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:24 am

It was a much better piece than similarly veined articles I've read elsewhere. A few things jump out at me:

- How does she know it's because she's a woman? Maybe the ref was racist, and it's because she's black. Or maybe it's because he's ageist and it's because she's old? Or maybe it was because of a million of other reasons, but #metoo and women's rights will get her the most sympathy at the moment.
- It seems that a lot of people (in this article and others) are referencing last year when Nadal told him he would see to it that Ramos never refereed one of his matches again. Nadal had that outburst after getting hit with a time delay penalty (how often do you see those in tennis?). Perhaps Ramos (the ref) had reflected on that experience last year, spoken to others, and decided that he should have handled it differently. This was his chance, and he would have done the same to Nadal this year.

Here's the article from The Washington Post, which landed on the front page.

Lastly, Japan is celebrating their new hero, but she is half Japanese/half Haitian, and moved to America when she was three. I think this is more of an American victory, personally. She was brought up in America, went through the US tennis system, and her coach is even a former coach of William's. It's cool that Japan is proud of her now, but they can't claim her as solely theirs.
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Re: Excellent Perspective on the Serena Williams Outburst

Postby ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:34 am

Miguelito wrote:It was a much better piece than similarly veined articles I've read elsewhere. A few things jump out at me:

- How does she know it's because she's a woman? Maybe the ref was racist, and it's because she's black. Or maybe it's because he's ageist and it's because she's old? Or maybe it was because of a million of other reasons, but #metoo and women's rights will get her the most sympathy at the moment.
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Are you commenting on the Indy article or something else?
I don’t see where in the article it is pushing #metoo and woman’s rights as the cause. It spoke more to race and societal class.

I believe that that sexism could well be a contributing factor along with race & social class. But the article isn’t pushing sexism as the primary cause, is it? There is a significant backstory about sexism at the US open which it could have hooked on to but didn’t.

When it says ‘the man’ I read that as the institution/society rather than the gender.
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Re: Excellent Perspective on the Serena Williams Outburst

Postby kinard » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:39 am

Serena lost the plot because things weren't going her way. Having a narcissistic personality disorder must be a right cunt at times.
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Re: Excellent Perspective on the Serena Williams Outburst

Postby Miguelito » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:17 am

ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ wrote:
Miguelito wrote:It was a much better piece than similarly veined articles I've read elsewhere. A few things jump out at me:

- How does she know it's because she's a woman? Maybe the ref was racist, and it's because she's black. Or maybe it's because he's ageist and it's because she's old? Or maybe it was because of a million of other reasons, but #metoo and women's rights will get her the most sympathy at the moment.
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Are you commenting on the Indy article or something else?
I don’t see where in the article it is pushing #metoo and woman’s rights as the cause. It spoke more to race and societal class.

I believe that that sexism could well be a contributing factor along with race & social class. But the article isn’t pushing sexism as the primary cause, is it? There is a significant backstory about sexism at the US open which it could have hooked on to but didn’t.

When it says ‘the man’ I read that as the institution/society rather than the gender.


I was more responding to the Washington Post article I linked to, which was front page and is driving a lot of the discussion in the US, which is mainly gender based. Most journalists are calling it sexist, as has the Women’s Tennis body.

However, a black female tennis star, Zimbabwean Cara Black, winner of 10 Grand Slam titles in doubles and mixed doubles, said she felt sorry for Ramos.
"He was just doing his job out there and calling Serena on what he saw. She lost control of her emotions. I don't think sexism was a part in it," she said.

Or, talking stats:

Williams, a 23-time Grand Slam champion, was one of 10 women punished for code violations at this year's US Open, while 26 men were fined.

Most of the fines issued were for racquet violations - 14 men and five women.
Three men and three women were penalised for an audible obscenity, five men were fined for time delays, while four men and one woman were penalised for unsportsmanlike conduct.

(Source: BBC)
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Re: Excellent Perspective on the Serena Williams Outburst

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Re: Excellent Perspective on the Serena Williams Outburst

Postby Miguelito » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:29 pm

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PC Principal is ON this!

Over reaction of the week (BBC article).

Seriously, what is this [Western] world coming to? The US president won’t condemn the KKK, but the media attacks a cartoonist for a... cartoon.
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Re: Excellent Perspective on the Serena Williams Outburst

Postby McPhisto » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:02 pm

Some overreactions all around, but....he did draw those lips pretty big. He may as well have put a bucket of fried chicken or a watermelon under her arm.
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Re: Excellent Perspective on the Serena Williams Outburst

Postby Visser » Thu Sep 13, 2018 8:39 am

Miguelito wrote:
However, a black female tennis star, Zimbabwean Cara Black, winner of 10 Grand Slam titles in doubles and mixed doubles, said she felt sorry for Ramos.
"He was just doing his job out there and calling Serena on what he saw. She lost control of her emotions. I don't think sexism was a part in it," she said.


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Re: Excellent Perspective on the Serena Williams Outburst

Postby ផោមក្លិនស្អុយ » Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:05 am

Visser wrote:
Miguelito wrote:
However, a black female tennis star, Zimbabwean Cara Black, winner of 10 Grand Slam titles in doubles and mixed doubles, said she felt sorry for Ramos.
"He was just doing his job out there and calling Serena on what he saw. She lost control of her emotions. I don't think sexism was a part in it," she said.


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Re: Excellent Perspective on the Serena Williams Outburst

Postby springrain » Sat Sep 15, 2018 2:36 pm

On a slightly different note, but indirectly related, I've just read this:

'Australian player called me Osama' - Moeen Ali alleges racial abuse during 2015 Ashes

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/ ... 2015-ashes
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